XMR

none of these feature coins are investments though, theyre utilities for the short-medium term. if you want to invest in something that does nothing other than be valuable, you only have one option.

Second layers are a shitty excuse for not having fungibility on the primary blockchain level and until one exists that was created with a trustless setup then I'll remain unconvinced that they solve the privacy issue. Until then, Monero is a better fungible "cash-like" store of value than any of the other privacy coins.

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What do ASICs have to do with this discussion?

NOOOOO GOYIM NOOOOO. STAY AWAY FROM THIS PRIVATE COIN THAT WILL ALLOW YOU TO ESCAPE OUR REACH

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>ASIC coin vs non-ASIC coin

actual brainlet

Has this website even been updated in the past 5 years? Why does it list a bunch of dead shitcoins like Peercoin and not have a lot of newer more active coins?

Not really. When was the last time an important PoW coin came out?

It lists XRP so it's obviously not just PoW coins.

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> Monero: Bitcoin of privacy coins
> ZCash: XRP of privacy coins.

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>crypto experiences heavy regulations upon exchanges
>government does not like untraceable privacy coins
>exchanges are required to de list monero due to government regulations

Chances of this happening?

Effectively zero chance of something that specific ever passing any kind of legislation. There will always be exchanges in banana republics or decentralized exchanges will just get more liquid.

a testphase for monero 2.0
if grin doesn't work, its obsolete by definition.
if it actually does work, it will be implemented and thus made obsolete.
first mover advantage doesn't just go away magically, no matter how much you wish it to.

do you realise how different of a protocol grin is to monero?? That's like saying bitcoin will just "change" to ethereum if it worked out.

monero devs already talked about its implementation

It's nothing like saying that. Bitcoin prides itself on not changing at all, while monero has even changed its pow algo. Monero is digital cash. Bitcoin is a 1mb/10 mins permanent public ledger. Big difference.

Grin is less private and can't use cold wallets.

As a sidechain, yes.

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brainlet here, can someone explain to me how monero is private when nsa has backdoors on my harddrive firmware and shit? how is anything private when all hardware is compromised?

because backdoors are irrelevant when you can buy a 30$ raspberry pi, install monero on it, create a new unique monero adress without EVER connecting your pi to the internet, keep the passphrase for that adress on paper only (or just in your head - google "ghostwallet") and send your monero there

==> money is effectively untouchable until you choose to cash out - at which point you'll connect to the internet, sync monero client, restore wallet with your passphrase and transfer your monero to an exchange again

its not as hard as this might come across, you basically just choose a random lengthy assortment of words that you never store digitally (write down ~20-40 random words on paper), enter that into a cheapass computer that doesn't get connected to the internet ever ==> generate an adress that is only accessible with that passphrase

Hardware backdoors wouldn't compromise your monero privacy any more than it would your actual private keys. It would break bitcoin just as much as monero.

Even of you didn't miss bitcoin you need to be aware of this. Monero is the real bitcoin.

You xmr fags are still around shilling this shitcoin?

>Bitcoin is a 1mb/10 mins permanent public ledger.

no. bitcoin will eventually have to scale on chain even with lightning adoption.

I know but apparently most bitcoiners don't. I would say it would be impossible to get a bigger block bitcoin fork to happen successfully given what we've seen from bitcoiners so far but honestly they're so devoid of independent thought that they'll get behind it as soon as antonopoulous, jimmy song and the rest of those faggots tell them to.

privacy coin fans increasingly seem like deluded bagholders in full cope mode
no greater adoption will ever come. large-scale fraud doesn't need a darknet shitcoin. see bitfinex blatantly printing their own unpegged shitcoin, using shady banks all over the world for years and making hundreds of millions of dollars, real dollars mind you, of profit
this is how fraud is done, not through inefficient technology rewarding childish fat fucks with millions they spend on watches. you low class retards buying drugs on the black market don't realise your middle-class CS washout ass is the top level of your little darknet ecosystem. even hired killers don't use your shit, instead it comes down to real life organisations and real human trust
Xmr will keep following bitcoin's movements, because for fuck's sake even IOTA and NEO are still in the top20. rather than buying btc at $200, consider yourself lucky if you manage to sell xmr for $200

Monero has infinite supply, you autistic faggot.

Infinite time

>only z-cash and monero to be studied
>z-cash is already trusted-setup, controlled opposition garbage, see: mobile.twitter.com/zooko/status/863202798883577856?lang=en
if you're not buying Monero then you don't deserve to make it. writing is on the walls, fellas. free security audit incoming.

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>your coin will never do this pic-related

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so does the US dollar dingus, read some macro-econ and get it through your thick skull that infinite supply is not BAD for a currency.
the fact of the matter is monero, for the first time just recently and for the foreseeable future, will have a lower inflation/emission rate than BTC with tail emission starting in 2020.
Monero is unironically BTC in 2014-2015 right now.
Remember me in a few years.

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bitcoin can't even get things like blocksize right and you think they're just going to seamlessly implement privacy? fucking lol.
optional privacy isn't private, monero already implemented bullet-proofs making default-privacy cost fractions of a penny...oh and we have dynamic blocks already :^)
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee this market is so irrational.
>T. all-in monero since 2016

good luck anons

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you have it backwards, base layer security is only a concern until day to day transactions are handled in a closed loop on a second layer. at that point, what the blockchain is itself doesn't matter at all, and monero is just another payment alt like dash.

>until day to day transactions are handled in a closed loop on a second layer
Monero is the best there is until something like this actually exists.
Yikes.

Explain like I'm stupid, because I am. Monero inflation rate will fall below bitcoin?

Why don't dnms take monero today, it if offers so many benefits?

>inb4 all the ones in business are government honeypots

You can't inb4 the actual reason, lmao.

Yeah, looks like it will

because btc still has a stranglehold despite its inferiority