Prove that capitalism isn't a zero-sum game

Prove that capitalism isn't a zero-sum game.

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its less than zero sum considering money is created then paid back plus interest

it isn't

some make money and the rest make frens

everybody wins

Zero sum, all things considered- however the competition creates a better standard of living for all.

Who do you think that money is paid to ?interests just another sophisticated method to make profits, aka a wheel in the system

(((interest)))

Stop pointing your finger at me

In a closed system, value can be created without increasing the amount of money.

If you have 100 people on an island with 1 buck each, and I make each person a hut to live in for one dollar, the economy now has 100 one dollad huts and 100 dollars (in my pocket). Sure I now am the richest guy on the island cashwise, but thats my reward for essentially doubling the total value of the island

life is a zero sum recycle game according to the laws of thermodynamics

poopoo peepee

There’s your poof

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The existence of inflation proves it is not zero sum.

>free government tax handouts is competition

OH NO NO NO

Redpilled.

Inflation is higher than interest. There'll be always more money in this system. It's up to us to spend so that poor people will get money somehow.

I think you question is badly constructed. Value is created by smart work. Capitalists allocate resources optimally to make profit. Resource allocation is smart work. This makes the whole system more efficient. A more efficient system creates more value.

Investing capital in robots, machines and useful knowledge increases the planets ability to create valuable things. We can now produce much more stuff, things and ideas, entertainment than 200 years ago thanks to accumulation of knowledge and machines. (capital)

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Lies, profit is literally theft.

The definition of a zero-sum game is that if someone wins, someone else must lose an equal amount.
Well. Nobody loses if value is CREATED. If you work and create something, you create value. If you build a house for example.
If you allocate resources more efficiently you create value, because now more useful, productive projects get the resources they need. Resources allocated on shit projects destroy value. Human labor and stuff go to waste.

If you don't want to buy something because the other party makes a profit, you don't have to buy it. It is not theft if you are asked for your consent, retard.

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>Inflation is higher than interest.
This is true.
Governments pay their oversized debts by forcing the real (after inflation, taxes) interest rates negative. After inflation and taxes government bonds lose value. Governments also force people to invest in these value losing assets through banks and insurance companies etc. This is all bullshit and we have this debt problem because people demand free shit, welfare. People demand more than the government can give. And some crazy politicians are willing to give people what they want. This is how societies are destroyed. People demand free shit that they don't want to pay for. Sometimes governments also go to crazy, unproductive wars. Not trying to defend this.

>It's up to us to spend so that poor people will get money somehow.
Well-being and wealth is not created by making money flow and move. Otherwise we could create wealth by throwing a bill of money between each other. Obviously this does nothing. Stimulating economy by spending money is just a bad excuse by leftists to buy votes. It does not work.
Real value, real wealth and real well-being is created by useful work, smart work, wise resource allocation. Value is created when we physically or mentally build some useful machine, stuff or idea in this world. Throwing money around is bad resource allocation and just destroys value. It just creates price shocks, inflation and economic mismanagement.

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The entire point of running a business is to avoid competition. They have whole classes in business school on how to avoid competing with other companies.

Value has nothing to do with money at all. Money is just a general numeric account.

The inputs of value are capital, labour and time.

If my company sells a product you get the product and I get the money.

based and productionpilled

>being this retarded
Back to leftypol

Capitalism is dead. You dumbshit American retarded niggers think you can just borrow, tax, & spend forever. lol

'Merica is fucked for the next century

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>Capitalism is dead. You dumbshit American retarded niggers think you can just borrow, tax, & spend forever. lol

10 fucking trillion in debt in 8 years under Obama. lol

That nigger was China's favorite 'merican president for a reason. He was a good dog.

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>That nigger was China's favorite 'merican president for a reason. He was a good dog.

Obama sold out 'merica to the point where we OWN you and your debt. lol What a dumb fuck.

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value (utility) is created by debt nowadays, that's why its inflated and food is cheap compared to entertainment and other things

value should be created by savings, or debt fueled by savings, but that doesn't happen and that's why we have an incoming economical collapse

all microeconomics is a major cope to the fact that debt changes utility at the micro scale when you use it in a macro scale

Yes that is what the fed does, but the fed isn't capitalism. In fact it is the anathema to capitalism.

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>10 fucking trillion in debt in 8 years under Obama. lol

Democracy is a system where all the lowlife, uneducated niggers & leeches in society continue to vote for free handouts paid for by the government.

It is a system that self-destructs by nature.

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100 000 years ago, everyone was pisspoor and homeless. Now we have the rich, less rich, upper middle class, middle class, lower middle class, the working class and the homeless. Today, we have many, many more people on Earth who are better fed, clothed, educated, sheltered and with much better opportunities and quality of life than before. Once we were piss poor and didn't have anything and today we have nice houses, furniture, cars, computers, smartphones, anime etc.

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Watching this is very depressing because I realize that I'm just a statistic. A single unit out of 20+ billion other units that have existed up until now.

tfw we are multiplying like bacteria. not going to end well unless 1 world reproduction-repressive government.

We have to hit the limit yet, it's obvious it will be climate change, eugenics, or super AI/govt forcing people to do things including not having sex

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U mean 200 billions

It probably is, but so many people are at the bottom already that if you make the slightest effort then you can make it.

its a sophisticated system designed to make the consumption of the things you need the most too expensive and force you to become a credit slave

That old guitar your aunt had for ages standing in a cornen turns out to be one of Elvis guitars from a newspaper photo.
Now it is worth $50k instead of $12.

Who lost?

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>Obama sold out 'merica to the point where we OWN you and your debt. lol What a dumb fuck.
lmao, you're not a chink, other wise you would know that America owns more of it's own debt than anyone, FOREIGN debt owned by China is like 1/25 of all our debt, quite a bit, but not as much as everyone is always told. They would never crash America anyway, we have a symbiotic relationship anyway.

You are big brained.

Let's hang out.

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If you have all of the money, the money is worthless. No one else can do trade with it anymore. All you did was build 100 huts and give it all away for worthless pieces of paper.

if you think capitalism is zero-sum game then what isnt, or what is positive sum?
>protip nothing else

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Cant he spend it now bedding some of the women in exchange for $1?

Capitalism is a zero-sum game, like everything in life.

However, capitalism also establishes incentives to increase productivity. As the size of the pie grows, everyone benefits together, though some take much larger portions than others.

The problem with socialism is that it kills competition. Without competition, there are no incentives for people to produce more and cheaper goods. Productivity falls, which makes everything become more expensive. Socialism is also a zero-sum game, but it works under different rules. When a high government officer becomes entitled to receive larger shares, he is also taking wealth from someone else. In the Soviet Union, the Nomenklatura (communist party bureaucrats) had priviledged access to goods, thus being much wealthier than the average person. They were, in a sense, a social class in a society that was designed to eliminate social inequality.

>farmer can make x amount of food per year with his land
>can make x*10 with expensive equipment
>gets a loan from the bank
>the farmer gets richer, the banker gets richer and now there's more food for people so they have more purchasing power
>hurr durr zero sum game seize the memes

He could, but what incentive would they have to accept? What could they exchange the dollar for, another hut? It would make more sense for the collective to make a new monetary system to trade with than to be at the mercy of the one guy with all of the money.