XMR and BCH cucks on suicide watch. It literally costs pennies to 51% attack

Bot nets will not give you much hash, since they are mosly old pcs with windows xp running. An old cpu has no AES instruction set, means it will give you 50 hash/s at maximum. You will need 7.5 mil winXP computers. The biggest bot net according to wikipedia has 450k computers. Stop FUDing, troll.

>The biggest botnet according to wikipedia

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heh it literally only costs $70,766,206,830 to buy every single bitcoin (in practice). bitcoin BTFO

What is your argument troll?

hash power good
asics good

Asics bring centalisation of hashpower to the asic manufactors. Yes, it is that easy.

Companies who invest millions into ASICS have a bigger incentive to maintain both security and the chain's integrity than random fucks mining with their desktops.

The "big company bad!" thing is pure bullshit

t. Just being realistic, GPU friendliness was super cool for fairer distribution during the first year of existence of coins a few years back, but no ASIC-s nowadays means shit tier security.
>Bot nets will not give you much hash, since they are mosly old pcs with windows xp running. An old cpu has no AES instruction set, means it will give you 50 hash/s at maximum.
This is simply not true. AES instruction sets have been stardard throughout the last DECADE, you're implying that the botnet computers are not only old but ancient. Even at 7 years of average age (I'm being generous here) we're looking at 70%+ CPUs with an AES instruction set that can easily rape Monero's network hash rate.
ASIC manufacturers work on low margins and have stake in the game. You're not choosing between decentralization and centralization, you're choosing between centralization with asic manufacturors and centralization with a botnet purchaser. You want the former, and if you don't like it maybe you should give alternative consensus algos a chance.

You forget that you have to run the CPU miners on botnets at low settings so their fans don't go off or their game slows down otherwise they figure it out and remove the bot. Also a lot of laptops so even worse. And most pcs are only online about 20% of the time.

You dont understand that mining is also a way to get coins. It is the real anonymous way. By GPU mining also 'random fucks' are able to get so xmr w/o KYC exchanges.

As I said in a bot net wont give you much mining power.

Bot net PCs are mostly running windows XP, they are typically 15 years old.

t. expert on the state of all botnets in the world because of a wikipedia article

I have a wikipedia article, but you have nothing.

Really activated my almonds

That wikipedia article supports my conclusion way more than yours. Wikipedia didn't put an upper-bound on botnets, it only shows what we already know. Larger botnets could absolutely exist.

Besides this whole point ignores the fact that a botnet doesn't have to attack xmr by itself. It could be used in conjunction with rented hash.

no they arnt, read it again.

>Larger botnets could absolutely exist.
We have to stick to what is know, not what could be, even on Jow Forums.

>used in conjunction with rented hash.
Same applies for ASICs.

You have no arguments.

ur a retard, i've been botnet gpu mining since btc and earned 3 btc a day on gpu botnet mining btc, dont look at wikipedia for articles on anything blackhat related, dont be a retard, kids will install your fortnite vbucks hack and u can use their GPUs without them noticing anything as well as CPU. can easily get 10k installs a day if u keep ur miner FUD updated

I understand the table. The 4,927 USD derive from 3,4 xmr/block * 49 usd/xmr * 30 blocks/hour = 4,998 USD/hour. Now read my post again, and bring arguments.

>ur a retard
Stop name calling.

Yep, bigger botnets definitely couldn't exist. This goes especially because the success of monero doesn't provides a massive incentive to create such a botnet.

You're too fucking stupid to argue with holy shit

i was just letting you know what the reality is, this isnt Jow ForumsCC so no need to act smart w your "arguments", i ran MULTIPLE 100k+ botnets and never got caught or owned by feds/AV companies

Could be, could be not. You have no proof.

please add t.retard on the end of your posts so we know in advance not to argue w r/CC retard

It's also funny to note that the success of monero creates a massive incentive to produce ASICs as well. Which means the dev team has to fork off constantly, which means the dev team has unilateral control to fork the chain whenever they want. Oops, back to centralization again! You just wasted all your time.

Just fuck off back to retardtown already you communist retard

no you dont, its the amount of money thats need to rent the hasrate thats need to 51% attack.

I have not seen reports about double spending on the monero network. So, even if such large scale botnets with >1M PC exist, the PCs arent on 24h and the mining is throttled to ~20% as the other user said.

There is work ongoing on a new type of hashing algo which is giving lot less of advantage to the asic miners.

But never mind, just call other people retards and communists. That is what you can best.

Solves this problem

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don't like the dev team? well then fork it yourself and make it asic friendly, and never update the code....oh wait, thats right they tried that with monero 0, monero V, monero unlimited, monero gold, monero copper, monero shitstain. sounds like people are voting with their computers and their wallet, like it was meant to be, and you were btfo. still salty?

All hashing algos can be made into an asic.

A random dude post a random pic w/o explanation on a canadian beard grow forum.

>its the amount of money thats need to rent the hasrate thats need to 51% attack
Source?

This right here.

you

are

a

idiot.

literally blind bc. of love.

>pic related

What you see is a marketplace list, of hashpower thats available to rent.

Buy 1MH/Day for 0.08BTC/Day ( 300$/Day )

keep on with your stupid calculations

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>All hashing algos can be made into an asic.
Thats true, but the advantage can be reduced.

oh yes, lets create giant mining centralization, like bitmain for bitcoin, because that worked out real well and because bch didn't fuck up btc real good. but you know what, this time, it's really going to be different.

yeah just ignore the column to the right.

pls no, fuckin search for yourself: rent monero hashrate, cleannet whitenet darknet wherever you want and look at the prices per mhs.

Buy up the available amount, and done.

The list from OP is created from a script that parse several rent marketplaces and avg out the offered mhs / price and adds it up to the current pool hashrate.

This pic has no explanation either. However, asuming that you can rent that much hashpower >375 mhash/s that cheap, than why dont you do it and attack the xmr network into the ground. Please?

shut up and do it then faggot

durrrrrr

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Another funny FUD thead by a (((random guy))) on the interwebs.

bch is shit and everyone but bcash cultists knows it

you show a big lack of intelligence, understanding and careful thoughts.

bc. by attacking several coins you hurt the general thoughts and acceptance from businesses about crypto in the public.

There is nothing positive about it.

profit-oriented people don't care

>by attacking several coins you hurt the general thoughts and acceptance from businesses about crypto in the public.
Lol, thats not how the world works. And you say that I have a
>big lack of intelligence, understanding and careful thoughts.
God, please, I have no words anymore.

you are unbelievably naive.

Funny how everyone so butthurt about "bcash cultists" doesn't get their panties in a wad about any other SHA256 fork of the bitcoin ledger. SAD

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>cultists
Cultists would mean people who only believe in 1 coin. Only corecucks are mostly cultists, I cashed out most my shit because I've been here long enough to recognize a bubble (not at ATH, I went out at 5k-10k) and I'm keeping a healthy stack of LINK (until mainnet), ZIL (until mainnet), Universa, Ether, BTC and I'm currently mining grin. So at least say "bcash supporters".
>everyone but bcash supporters knows it
Everyone but early adopters knows it, ok faggot who cares. We haven't been enlightened by the same propaganda you're reading, we're only basing our opinions on actual knowledge and experience in this space, how pathetic, kek.

That's just bait, bro.

>currently mining grin
meant to say BEAM, although I am switching to Grin when it launches

>currently mining grin
On the test net, I suppose?

Sure it's bait but we're not really responding to HIM, we're responding for the thousands of silent readers who'll see that corecucks are faggots and cash supporters are reasonable.

Nobody here is intelligent enough to attempt a double-spend 51% attack. If I had the resources I'd take out a big fat short on XMR and do it myself

You'd see two of the same key images in the key image database. Nodes would refuse to propagate the TX so it'd be pretty obvious, but a successful double spend would be included in the block anyways due to the 51% attack chain reorg. Once people realize what happened the chain would likely split, similar to the ETH DAO fork.

>Nobody here is intelligent enough to attempt a double-spend 51% attack. If I had the resources I'd take out a big fat short on XMR and do it myself
I tell you what, friendo, there are people out there who are intelligent and whealthy enough. They dont do it, because it is not possible.

I can code you some double-spending node software for $5000 and there's plenty of pajeets who'd gladly offer you the same for $1000. It's remarkably simple actually.
But BCH was attacked with hundreds of millions of dollars and persisted, and Monero, while less secure, is still at least 10 times more expensive to attack than shown on the website. Realistically more like 100 times more expensive.

Yes, I meant executing the double spending is not possible on xmr and bch.

BCH is deceptive because ABC has checkpointing and large BTC miners like bitmain will switch to protect it when they detect a reorg. SV is likely 51% attackable and XMR is too as long as you can find the compute power. It's hard to actually calculate the cost because nicehash doesnt have enough hashpower so you'd have to find another vendor to let you rent their machines. It's probably not 10x as expensive.

well you fucked it up again, by not understanding it.

I know that its not the wy how the worl works.

I gave you THIS ANSWER BC. YOU ASKED ME, why I am NOT doing it.
and that was my answer. nothing to do with the world

btrash and their cult leader are the reason that crypto crashed
every time it was going up here comes Roger Ver to fuck it up and stall it out, til it finally broke.
"Bitcoin Jesus" what a fucking joke
fuck that guy and fuck everybody who believes he's anything but a retard

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>beeetcoin caaaaaaaaaaash

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>I know that its not the wy how the worl works.
>I gave you THIS ANSWER BC. YOU ASKED ME, why I am NOT doing it.
>and that was my answer. nothing to do with the world

This makes zero sense.

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Look here brainlets, big blocks are the future. Bch will have a jump start on big block technologies like graphene, etc. Can you imagine actually using btc with 1mb block size for a currency? Can you imagine using LN at all? Look at these dummies, they couldn't scale a 2ft wall

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Yeah, but it looks like nicehash only has 2% and 8% of the needed hashrate?

This maze was harder than I expected. Post more.

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BCASH

How much does it cost to 51% attack IOTA?

Whatever it costs to hire thugs to extract the password to the coordinator from sergey