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I'm going to study in Canada for a degree and I have no idea which degree has the best ROI. What are other good STEM degrees other than medicine and engineering (I honestly don't feel good about either)? I've heard of the math/statistics meme but not sure about it. Any .2 cents?

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>engineering
Unless you're doing Computer Engineering, do not study engineering in Canada. The whole STEM field outside of compsci is dead.

>math/statistics meme
It's exactly that. A meme. If you want a job doing that kind of thing you're better off with a good business major and some stats courses on the side. Companies want applicants with a solid business background (including accounting).

Right now I'd say the most viable degrees are business or compsci, but both depend heavily on which university you go to. What are your options?

Statistics with a minor in computer science + learning French will make for an easy life if you're willing to move to Ottawa or Gatineau and work in data sciences. The federal government is anal retentive about outsourcing Canadian stats, even going as far as legislating that cloud architectures have to keep their packets in Canada (impossible).

You may have trouble as a straight, white male but if you are willing to state that you're bisexual or something, you can still get in under the Liberal government.

I havent admitted yet, I'm willing to go to anywhere in Canada

Does it help that I'm Canadian and my name is literally sandnigger-tier?

>anywhere in Canada
In practice you have three choices: Ontario, British Columbia (solely for UBC), and Quebec (solely for McGill).

If you can get into the University of Waterloo for compsci, do it. It's such a good degree that about 50% of the graduating class go to Silicon Valley.

If you can get into Western University for finance, do that, since it's a program that's recognised by big American firms.

If you can't get into either of the aforementioned two, then I'd recommend McGill for most stuff since it's probably the best university in Canada. The University of Toronto outranks it on some listings, but the undergraduate experience is so shit that unless you're really, really self-motivated and know how to fight through the crush of people you're going to have a tough time.

I don't recommend going to the University of Toronto's Rotman school of business, since it's not very good except for the MBA program which is really well known.

In general you want a degree that's either compsci or a mix of business, compsci, and statistics. That's what's most in demand in Canada these days as we murder our industry (both manufacturing and resource extraction) and transition to a shitty "service" economy.

Oh, one other thing about the University of Toronto. The system there for most degrees (except engineering, which is more or less normal) is that in your first year you're in the "pre-program", so for example if you get accepted to U of T for compsci you're not actually in the program. You need to take certain courses and get a high enough score (last year it was 85%, which is extremely difficult) in certain courses in order to be allowed into the actual program which starts in your second year. It's absolute bullshit, and if you don't make the bar you basically have to scrounge around for a shittier major. So avoid U of T like the plague.

Yes. It helps. You will have an easier time getting internships and making bureaucrats feel more secure in their quotas. If what you are saying is true, I recommend a masters in stats + minor comp sci with a focus in "data science".

When you get tired of the career, you should have enough understanding of who does what to hire on as a contractor or just laze around ordering about subordinates. There is a serious issue these past 5 years of people aging out of the bureaucracy and the remaining people not knowing who the fuck to even talk to to get projects coordinated. Getting in the next 5 years puts you on a lifelong track to replace the next group who will hold power for 20-30 years when you are middle-aged.

You just have to be willing to learn French and live in Ottawa or Gatineau (Gatineau is way cheaper and only a half hour or so out of the way).

>There is a serious issue these past 5 years of people aging out of the bureaucracy and the remaining people not knowing who the fuck to even talk to to get projects coordinated.
I've heard about that phenomenon happening pretty much everywhere in North America because boomers clung on to their positions for so long while basically blocking new recruits from rising up the ranks to be able to succeed them.

I'm overwhelmed. I didn't expect these great posts anons. I know what to avoid and what are the better degrees and even a plan. I'm planning on learning french as you've said and I'll look around the degrees you've both mentioned. Thank you both for helping a lost and confused zoomer.

If your coming to the land of
Maple chips and beaver, you best be doing medical my nig.
If not you are literally wasting your time.

Lol mate, you've fallen for the meme of good education in Canada.
The unis you lost are literally the biggest money makers.
If you want to get through and quick as fuck and cheap as balls you go to memorial university in newfoundland.
You'll have jobs lined up while your in school there.
They are literally the best bang for your buck.
I have a buddy that went though the system there, put in some rediculous requests as part of his requirements to be hired on, once the gov tried to Reneg he was able to get 100k payout for wasting his time.

Don't forget to do internships and stuff while you're in university. Your degree won't be worth the paper it's printed on no matter what you study.

There's two problems. You need to figure out what degree actually has ROI and also need to know where you can get a job with that degree. Don't expect to get a decent paying job anywhere in Canada. Country is poor af.

I honestly don't like the idea of memorizing stuff for years.. it's not for me
I'll check this out. As I'm not sure 100% I'll be admitted at the good unis above.
Yeah I've heard. Will do.

Just learn TA and swing trade and make 5k a day what are you stupid? Lmao

This is bad advice. For just a job after graduation, nobody gives a fuck where you go to school as long as it's mediocre. It matters more for grad/professional school, or complete top tier jobs at entry level. As you get experience your education is just a blip at the bottom of your resume. Just avoid something like Nippising or Laurier Brantford.

Also I agree with the sentiment about comp stuff and business. Business is easy as fuck but surprisingly very employable, not even finance, accounting, etc. But shit like HR is decent and everyone in those classes is a complete brainlet.

Not sure how I can prepare in advance for that. Do I check the degree's statistics and research the big company areas in that degree?
have mercy on my soul user

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what the shit does ta stand for

Noted on compsci and business. Excuse my brainlet anons (as I have yet to properly research) but what exactly does a business/compsci/statistics degree do (what field would I work in) and how do they relate to each other? What about which one to major/minor in? I'm a lil excited/anxious/worried about all of this. Thank you all.

In part I agree, but going to a good school (the tuition difference isn't usually that big anyway) with a good reputation helps in getting those internships and co-op positions that will give him a leg-up. I'm not too familiar with the lower-tier schools and what they can offer in that regard though.

There are tons of "business analyst" jobs out there (go to indeed.ca or glassdoor and just scroll through recent job listings in major cities), as well as "data analyst", "data scientist", and "data engineer" jobs. Basically what companies are looking for is for someone to take business data, use various programs (SQL, R, Excel and VBA macros, possibly programming stuff themselves using Python or whatever) to manipulate that data and find trends in it (this is where statistics comes in) to base further business decisions off of.

have you seen the in-store prices?

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CS at Waterloo here. Plan on moving to the states as soon as I graduate. Lmao fuck this poor ass country, you literally make 2-4x the salary in the states depending on how strong the US dollar is.

Canadian companies complain about "brain drain" all the time but what they really mean is they're unwilling to pay as good of wages as the Americans.

Anyways, whatever you do, try to get into a co-op program. Some programs give you 2+ years of experience by the time you graduate and if you're good your degree is practically free.

holy shit, Canada sucks

You've cleared that up for me. I'll look around on the sites and more for details. Truly appreciated. Thank you all.

this

Yeah I've lived in America for a bit and the price differences in Canada was a surprise.
The co-op sounds great, there's only a couple of programs with it.. I'll see if I can get into one

For Ontario in CS..

University of Waterloo has a good reputation but is awful at actually teaching people shit, I've worked with co-ops and graduates from there and there's either the people that will succeed no matter where they go (and they're great to work with) or complete trash that can't code their way out of a paperbag.

University of Western is a joke, best to only go there if you want to party. You might gain enough skills to end up in management if that's what you want to do though.

University of Guelph is actually good, they start people from the bottom with building blocks like C and move up with a good variety of choices to specialize in and go more indepth (security, ai, web dev, parallel programming, networking, databases, a decent game dev course, etc). They're good at failing out people that shouldn't be there. Almost everyone I've worked with from there has been good.

I've heard Carleton is decent as well.

Co-op is also a great way to get experience, would recommend it.

Conestoga College is what I'd actually recommend though, go there for 2 years, they'll teach you enough and you can start working in a high paying job within 2 years.

Thank you for the input on CS, much appreciated. Btw what exactly are you talking about the Conestoga College 2 year program? I've briefly went on there and there's so many different types of degrees that I'm not sure which ones were you talking about

Talking about the conestoga college cs diploma, I know a guy that went into android dev after graduating it and he got a fulltime 60k/year job a few weeks later. He's switched fulltime jobs three times the last few years and last I heard he's making 90k+ in Toronto (which I guess isn't a lot all things considered) but not bad for only a few years of work experience and only 2 years of education

I see I'll keep that in mind. Thank you.

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Just something anecdotal - my brother went to Carleton for kinda a CS-like thing - Interactive Multimedia and Design. It doesn't go into the CS theory, and is very project oriented. You get a joint BIT and a College Diploma at Algonquin in 4 years.

They introductle you to all aspects of program design, like UX, programming, design, graphics, etc and you basically get to specialize what you like. My brother did a lot of programming and has had no problem being employed. He interned with Waterloo CS students and performed a lot better and was offered a job before graduation (none of the CS students were). And that's not to say he is a genius by any means, he just said his program prepared him for real world dev a lot better. He gets recruiters contacting him multiple times a month and he is only 2 years out of school.

Idk if that's the norm but he said everyone he knows in his program is employed. Something to think about anyway if you aren't sure you'd be into the programming aspect

if you want a good theoretical background in CS or engineering, you're better off at U Toronto. They also have a PEY internship year at the end which is pretty good. Also that (and Montreal) are where all the AI shit is happening, not Waterloo.

If you like quantum shit Waterloo might be a better option. I find their grads kind of droney too, but their co-op is a great program and well known everywhere. You'll have no problem with getting a position anywhere even during co-op. Many of my friends had their first co-ops in silicon valley at Nvidia and such.

Guelph isn't really top-notch yet, but it has some spin-off AI talent from Toronto and they have probably a better co-op program than Waterloo (for employers, at least). When I hire a student from Guelph I know I can probably get them for 8 months whereas most of the time you can only hope for 4 with Waterloo. It's hard to get a student to ramp up and be an effective contributor in only 4 months.

Conestoga is a pretty good, hands-on school. Had nothing but good things from students there. But we're picking at interviewing students from any of these schools so in the end we only get to really examine the best.

It's a real shame Toronto didn't embrace some form of real co-op, I don't think PEY is good enough since you pretty much have to do it at once.

I had some hires from Simon Fraser (BC), absolute retards. Don't recommend it.

That's all I can comment on.

That actually sounds great, but I checked the program and it had additional requirements which include your portfolio (projects, art, etc). And I got nothing lol yikes.
Thank you for your post user. If I may ask, since you're an interviewer (?), what do you actually look for in a student who you're interviewing? Degree? Skill? What else?

I care very little about the degree to be honest, but HR might be more picky. In general it's still good to get a degree. I don't care where you got it from, just so long as it's from a 4-year program (or a good 2 year program like Conestoga) there isn't much real difference between the schools. I might care more if I was picking a Master's student, but for an industry job it doesn't really matter. What I do care about is how much job experience you have. Co-op for CS or engineering is pretty much mandatory. It doesn't make you stand out anymore- it's the bare minimum. If I'm hiring a new grad/entry level position, I usually don't even bother interviewing people with 0 work experience. Obviously there's an exception for co-op jobs because they're still students and haven't had any job exposure yet.

When I'm scanning a resume I look for
1. Skills
2. Work experience
3. Grades

In that order. I don't really care about your grades but if they're shit in a field pertaining to the job then I'm going to probably skip you. It's okay if you have some bad grades (like Cs), just don't expect someone to hire you if they're grades that the job cares about. You're probably okay with a 3.2 GPA or higher.

Cleared it up nicely. Thank you.

listen here you fucking prick (OP) the only fucking degree you should be getting is a Bcomm or compsci. Anything else is a fucking meme unless you wanna shoot yourself in the head and do an engineering deg, but fuck that noise.

Get a bcomm. everything is fucking business. itll set you up just a little bit better than most others, and business is ezpz. (make friends with the smartest kids, they'll literally do everything for you. Fuck the cool kids when youre in projects theyre dead weight.)

Check the demand for your future job and how much it pays currently. If you pick the wrong STEM job you are completely fucked.

Can you give me some insight, user. I took a Chemistry degree and graduated 2017. I was gonna do my masters but realized the chem market is pretty shit. I was going to go back to school for CS but didn't want to go through all the BS that a normal degree entails all over again (unrelated courses, electives, etc) as well as save money, so I just enrolled in a 2 year computer programmer course at Algonquin College.

I was hoping that my Chem degree would back up the fact I'm not a brainlet, and can do math and quantitative reasoning, etc. and just do the 2 year program to get the co-op experience. Did I fuck myself with this? Do you think most hiring managers would care? Or any tips on how I could sell this?

what do you want as a job? you'd look more attractive if you played this off as learning CS to augment your chem degree, take it to places that have a need for simulations related to molecules, protein folding etc. I'm not that familiar with chem but you always want to frame you previous degree as something you can leverage. Most managers won't care for it if you don't and just look at your experience from Algonquin.

I have a friend who majored in microbio, decided after he graduated that it wasn't really something he wanted to do day in and day out, and then he did a quick college program in CS. He's doing pretty well for himself and has been working as a programmer since.

honestly Ecomm looks good as well. What are the job fields for it other than accounting? It looks broad. Is it actually valuable as you say?
I'll be sure to check that out thank you

I was just going to try to get an end job as a software developer, as if I had just done a 4 year CS degree. By quick college program in CS do you mean something similar like I am enrolled in?

I really thought about what you said before, but It's very difficult to find positions in molecular simulation, quantum computing etc in Canada outside of academia unfortunately. They exist, but its a gamble and will almost certainly require grad school with a lot more grads in the field. Its more likely at US companies like Schrodinger, but I didn't want to leave the country as I am very close with my family.

I would still like to apply them both however, because I am very passionate about chemistry. One possibility I have found is as a Database Admin for chemistry companies, as they like the chemistry background.

That is a pretty disappointing that my degree was likely a complete waste of time, especially because it was so much work compared to all the other meme degrees, but that is good information to have nonetheless.

Are the positions any more varied from province to province? I know there's quantum valley around waterloo. Perhaps something out in BC?

And yeah he did a college thing at Conestoga

user in order to make money you have to understand money. itll set you up nicely. once you learn the rules to the game you play the game. you dont get a good job make 100k/year and then think thats it. You play the game to be free at age 40 from investments. whether its yourself, or stocks, real estate, crypto, etc etc. you need to understand the underlying theory of business in order to navigate this fucked up world. everything else can be learned on the side.

Redpill me on the UBC and Samon Fraser Uni in terms of MBA and MsFin programs

software or electrical engineering

math/stat is fine, but the moment you realize math isn't your bag you should move to business or econ. if you never reach that point, find a grad school willing to pay you.
>t. math/econ dropout that shoulda focused on econ

Just finished my Bcom in Information Systems from Carleton ... a co op position in the government and have direct useful internship experience from a summer in the Netherlands?

We good bros? Will I make it? I still feel pretty lost with my degree but I know my social skills and drive will get me far.

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>have an MBA in international business
>just one internship as experience
Okay, so what now? I have been applying for some time now.

Any suggestions for a post-graduate program in Canada for someone with a medical degree?

Really want to move into another field, but sadly I don't think my degree is very useful for anything other than practicing medicine. Been looking at programs like medical informatics / bioinformatics / public health.

CompSci/econ is a kino combination

will i fuck my taxes up by holding mlpa or mlpx in my roth?

jew or poo?

I kind of understand that's where the real money is to be FI (investments/own business..etc), but I'm young and clueless (18 yr.old zoomer) I only recently have gotten interested in this stuff and at the moment I'll just try to get a degree in something that isn't completely worthless. Thank you for the posts.
Noted. I'll check the courses/lectures beforehand to see if I'm interested/willing to go through all the way. Thank you.

I'm surprised the thread is still up. Thank you all to whoever contributed and helped me or someone else. Really helped me out.

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If Alberta you can do geology then go into oil internships. Although most of the canadians are coming down to north Dakota as Canada is too unfriendly for oil investment.