Any other software devs on /biz? What are you doing in your main job? How much are you making? Any side hustles? What difficulties/problems are you seeing/trying to solve?
For myself: Supporting banking systems (Java), 75k/year (Canadian aaaaaaaa)
Side hustles - running an amazon business. Also writing software for amazon sellers + a video game.
Difficulties/problems - little understanding of how to generate approximate data for ecommerce systems. E.g. how Jungle Scout generates approximate number of sales for the sellers if anyone else here sells on Amazon
What do you actually code in Java, OP? Is it anything difficult?
Michael Morgan
Is that you moon? Wanna join my shitcoin?
Carson Sanchez
I do a bunch of shitty front end angular work for a fairly well known web conferencing company. Hardly glorious but it pays pretty well (70k starting), good benefits and it’s low-stress.
Carson Parker
>70k a year >work 50-60+ hours a week >have to do code moves at nighs >get calls occasionally to fix bugs on weekends because it's an "emergency" >sit inside all day staring at a screen like a cuck >1 bedroom is $1400 a month >have to work on side projects to stay relevant >have to keep up with certifications and studying to stay relevant >have to know 5 different languages as a baseline for eligibility to get hired
programming is a fucking meme. all this work for a measly 50-70k. you could invest same amount of work into virtually any other industry and come out making the same or more. even the managers at Publix make this much.
Mason Morgan
Fuck with with young nigga Thaiboy you know you gon' lose
Takes 3-6m to become productive on average. I do support for an old ass internal J2EE enterprise app + support for a rule based system (think something like jrules). You're gonna need a relevant degree to get in
Nope
Low stress matters more than people will admit in the industry. That and the immediate manager can make or break the job
Ryan Reed
>70k a year >work 50-60+ hours a week
Even in Canada that'd be pitiful. You're basically earning 50k/year if you count it hourly. Sucks to hear but sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do. My first job was ~43k/year + stressful as fuck, I started drinking
>get calls occasionally to fix bugs on weekends because it's an "emergency" Fuck that noise man
Samuel Rogers
>sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do Yeah and how long are you going to keep up this mentality for? Life? Until you realize there are many other career paths that are less competitive, require less studying, and have just as good of benefits for same salary.
Juan Jenkins
unemployed with seasonal work. kek. Thought of a good set of techniques for crypto trading that I will put together into a bot soon. That should be interesting at least. writing code for wages is a garbage life. can't imagine anyone is happy with it long term.
Jacob Hernandez
The grass is always greener on the other side though. I know fuck all about what happens in those other industries, what the competition looks like and whether I have talent to do it at all.
I actually like coding, what I don't like is coding under pressure. Even so, financial independence is the ultimate goal. Being able to work on my personal projects without giving a fuck about money coming/not coming in would be amazing. Thats why I'm doing 14h work days (1.5 for transport 8.5 wageslaving and 4 on personal projects)
Landon Perez
>70k a year >work 50-60+ hours a week I have a friend that used to be in a similar situation. He worked for Sledgehammer Games and made a Call of Duty game. Told me it was hell
Jackson Johnson
>Thought of a good set of techniques for crypto trading that I will put together into a bot soon. Did you check out Quantopian?
Robert Myers
Let them play the game, Jow Forums has a weird obsession with being software devs because there’s a lot of loser Autists on here that wanted to do something anti social and with computers. >supporting banking systems Jesus with that skill and you still choose to work for the (((banking))) industry? Grow a spine you faggot. Stop helping make one of the most corrupt industries on the planet more efficient you fucking rat.
Jackson Butler
Not since it was new. I don't like the idea of getting royalties and giving them your code very much. Ironically, one of the guys that actually works there posted on github some example code that does vaguely the same thing in a primitive way, albiet with syntax problems in python and precision problems with the math.
Logan Collins
>Stop helping make one of the most corrupt industries on the planet more efficient you fucking rat. Can you make me a better offer? I'm listening
Nathaniel Clark
they have a weird obsession with it because Microsoft and Google hired an army of shills to convince every other young person they needed to be a programmer so they could devalue the industry. my dad made more as a programmer in the 90s early 2000s than most people do today (outside of SF).
Remote Senior Full Stack (Ruby/JS) 160k/yr + equity
Working on some shitty mess of an eCommerce app. Not particularly hard work but it pays the bills. Most of the time I set my slack status to busy and no one bothers me lul
>Ironically, one of the guys that actually works there posted on github some example code that does vaguely the same thing in a
Thats honestly not a good sign man. I'm not gonna ask you about your strategy, but what indicators are you thinking of using for trading?
Brody Peterson
Yea you tweak your resume and take your experience elsewhere, if you have even a little bit of skill you will shit on all the pajeet codemonkeys that just copy and paste shit off of stack overflow all day. Sounds like you’re too busy being the ultimate shabbos goy wageslaving 14 hours a day though. Karma is beautiful.
Luis Clark
this. Where I live, a certain university is dipping their toes in the filth by offering a short 'coding bootcamp' that's probably just a cobranded version of some no name for-profit org's program. There is absolutely no way they believe a rando off the street with 2 months or whatever in classes is any good, it's to use leverage on people that actually have work experience. It's almost like 'blockbusting' in RE. This stuff coming out also opened my eyes to why CS BS was already the gold standard on a resume and not work experience.
Joseph Miller
I'm making 300k total comp, working on numerical computation at Large Corp. Went to Waterloo and graduated debt-free.
24yo lmao fuck NEETs
Ayden Watson
Damn you made it boi. How did you find the remote position? A chill remote at that salary would be the dream here in Canada
Jaxon Howard
I don't use any form of time series analysis.
Logan Reed
>you >the .
Luke Torres
I hope you aren't taking about DigiPen because fuck that place
Austin Lewis
Just look around on job boards
Isaac Flores
It's worse than you think, I am talking about the university of washington. They literally promote a 'coding bootcamp' in their name. Of course its all for webapp development so why do I even care
Job boards have been garbage for me, and none of them want to hire remote. The only one where I had replies was HN job thread but they were too startuppy for my taste
Christian Howard
>J2EE enterprise app + support for a rule based system (think something like jrules). You're gonna need a relevant degree to get in
I'm about to graduate with a CS degree but I've never dabbled in something like enterprise Java. I know all the Java basics, are there any specific components that I should try too learn (You mentioned JRules, never heard about it before will look it up)
Christopher Jackson
All of that shit is basically obsolete now. Modern Java web apps mostly use Spring/Sprint Boot and equivalent systems. If you'll need to learn J2EE for a legacy system, there's a ton of thicc pdfs on Oracle's site
Samuel Flores
why's everyone so desperate to get curried when everything goes on commodity hardware anyway and you have to trade simple system exceptions for spaghetti curry ones
backend (PHP) BS in computer science 75k USD in flyover USA getting close to 5 years "experience" side hustles: lmao I fucking hate every mainstream programming language but I really regret not taking the java pill so at least my salary wouldn't be so disgraceful
i've been waiting for these assholes to fire me for years so I could fuck around on unemployment bux, and I do barely any work these days. not remote, shit benefits.
before this job I wanted work short-term contracts so I could fuck around for half the year, but I'm terrified that if I leave this job I'll never be in such a cushy position again. I don't wanna work bros
Ethan Hernandez
Currying? No one has even mentioned scala in this thread bro.
I work at a top 50 Ad tech company. 160K salary + stock but the stock is pretty much worthless (for now) since we are private.
I do Java and Scala but fuck Scala. Its cool having access to a lot of sensitive data like people's browsing history where I can see all the porn hub they watch
Jeremiah Johnson
Sorry for being negative man I just really dislike banks, I’m just saying you have a very valuable skill set if you’re decent at coding. There’s far better industries imo you can put it to use in.
Daniel Perry
I'm a contractor in leafland pimped out to an american company building an IoT backend in Node with a micro service architecture with all the fancy buzzwords.
I get paid 75k CAD and will likely get a raise this summer to 80-85k.
Distributed computing is hard. Distributed teams are hard. Fuck JIRA.
Jaxson Jackson
>software development >antisocial
Maybe if you're a self-employed programmer making apps. For many positions, you have to talk with your manager and coworkers.
John Gutierrez
JIRA is an amazing tool, not sure why anyone would ever shit talk it
if anything shit talk your jira admins if they have shitty configurations of it
Christian Walker
Hope you get your story points over the line for this sprint, otherwise the burn down chart won't look good and the product owners will be mad! Enjoy your crunch!
Christian Jackson
Hi. Main job: I design/create a certain type of server and related infrastructure that you most likely use/have used at some point. Cash: 150k+ Side Hustle: whos got the time these days? I did when I was younger quite a bit. Difficulties: All of them
Sebastian White
>24yo lmao fuck NEETs The only reason you would say that is you're really just a NEET in disguise.
Dominic Myers
React.js Junior Front end dev. Or front end engineer. Or software dev. or UI designer. It seems like my job title changes every other day, and it's all the same shit. Salary is 70k/yr. I love it though.
Zachary Cook
FUCK scrums FUCK standups and FUCK agile cuckoldologies
Dominic Edwards
its actually not 1st job 75k systems developer basically just tinker with aws here and there half the time i am assigning myself learning tasks got in with an MIS degree (business undergrad)
going to keep this up until i can get a proper ecom business going
Eli Collins
The funny thing is, you know why standups exist? Because too many devs just sit at their computers and never talk to anyone, so a management "methodology" had to be created to literally force people to communicate.
Christopher Allen
Like what? You’re pulling shit out of your ass faggot without giving examples. Kill your self.
>software devs >anti social You’ve clearly never met software devs. Or ever really understood what software devs do. Lmao
James Jenkins
120k (Australia, so roughly 100k USD) Software Engineer Working on distributed microservices with some legacy PHP stuff.
If you use NoSQL you're a script kiddie with building blocks. Relational trumps NoSQL every time.
Most of my coworkers are experts at looking busy, but they do half the work I do.
Looking to move to the US in the next few years.
Liam Powell
Just wanted to let u kno I'm doing the same
We gon make it fren
Anthony Moore
Im second year full stack rails dev and thats my dream job desu
Evan Mitchell
>working with PHP >if you use NoSQL you're a SCRIPT KIDDIE!!!!
Ryan Cruz
PHP 7 doesn't deserve the php memes anymore
Matthew Peterson
Triggered onions devs detected
Blake Ramirez
Shit I'm impressed you haven't burnt out.
Thomas Powell
>supporting banking systems I agree, it's probably one of the worst dev jobs out there for the early part of a career, and rarely alows for learning on the job, as they often deal with or have rather archaic systems (yes, some banks still run on COBOL mainframes). They also tend to require outrageous educational credentials compared to the actual work needing to be done (often at least a BSc or cand. degree). at the same time, you get a shit pay compared to working at an actual company.
Scrum can be a comfy system to work under, if implemented and used correctly. It rarely is, however. Combined with a solid internal class library/DLL portfolio, you can do some really quick development.
From my experience, they aren't usually allowed to talk to others unless it's for handling support calls or meetings.Yes, i've actually been yelled at by C-levels for answering simple questions for colleagues out of simple politeness. In my last job, we were 2 devs and never worked on the same project, most of scrum would be meaningless in that case, but my way of developing using sprint cycles has allowed me to catch quite a few more bugs than colleagues developing by waterfall model. Debugging is much, much easier if you do it with 1 or 2 features at a time, than writing a shitton of code and debugging the whole shebang at once
>main job Currently NEET, until a month ago I did plug-ins for an ERP system. >pay ~$3500 / month, plus bonuses >side hustles none currently, planning on doing some youtube stuff, showing programming and sysadmin tips&tricks >Problems trying to solve my free time is used on trying to make an assistant/chatbot (a la siri & co.) that isn't completely retarded, has the memory of a 95-year old with severe Alzheimers and can be "taught" new things/commands by the user either by UI or by voice. Basically a full user-configurable house AI that doesn't tattle on the user all the time.
Isaiah Nguyen
Almost 3 year Php here, but already at 27, so not sure if I should change languages.
Juan Scott
Also making close to 2000 euro/m in Eastern Europe for a fintech.
