Why did the PUA industry collapse in recent years?

this, I think the same people shilling Juden Peterson right now are the same guys who did/would have paid for $10k PUA bootcamps

There gonna make a movie about this fuck. kek

Because any man who learns about women inevitably becomes MGTOW.

You guys remember Edmundo Jing? The Krantzenstein County Comptroller a few years back? He said he was going to give back to the taxpayers, all I saw him do was roll around in his Fiat and smoke PCP down by the teen center. Now he's sitting up in the Shinkahoma Federal Clink like a dingbat after he tried to put a hit out on the mayor - I think the Rolling Stones said it best, "you can't always get what you want."

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Why?

It's natural that someone will make one. Look how many normies read the game.

Who knows, I thought Yekkelsby Township was a nice place, but I guess after the police department broke up his backroom poker game he had a bone to pick - go visit him, visiting hours are 9-3pm Monday through Friday

#metoo was created due to massive increase of incel PUAs approaching women

The stuff works. Got me laid. Can't fathom why guys aren't putting in the hours to learn it.

Anyone remember Gunwitch? He was an ogre but banged tons of women lots of them picked up during the day.

The whole "looks and money" thing is complete poison and not born out in my experience at all.

When I was skinny and took almost no care of myself I was pulling into the disgusting club toilet, or fucking a girl after talking to her for a few minutes.

Simple fucking principles- SJWs have crippled the development of the latest batch of 18-24 year olds.

Irkel P. Del Craccio is in there now, he's doing a hell of a job, 6 months in office and no sex tape - yet...

It changed because of Tinder and YouTube. All the tactics of peacocking and saying things as pickups don't work on Tinder. Tinder showed that only the best looking get all the women. And so all of your pick up lines are ineffective.

Secondly, YouTube exposes young guys to all types of information. So, calming down that feeling of sexual frustration and worthless doesn't solely come from PUA. There are other ways to learn about women, self help, podcasts, discipline guys, etc. So those guys like Mystery or Style came up and had their 15 minutes, but that is over now.

Plus in all honesty, a lot of the stuff they talked about was just goofy. I remember watching that show Mystery had on MTV or VH1 or whatever and thinking is this dude really getting laid or is he just putting on an act?

Lastly, the men that don't get women congregate around Redpill and MGTOW groups. At the end of the day, those are just dudes that don't get women who circle jerk each other to make themselves feel better.

Im pretty sure it was becuz virgin fags who kept approaching girls never got laid.

Only mystery method routines work and all those routines went mainstream which dont work anymore.

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this does a good job of explaining through extreme caricature

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this, market autoregulation works.

The biggest redpill of the game is that you can't fake attraction. It was all about understanding how not to spill your spaghetti with the ladies. For those really ugly/dumb motherfuckers it never did and never will.

>tfw feel disgusted by almost all thots and maybe a little annoyed by their presence so they all think im attracted to them because they just can't believe someone could be irritated by them

30 replies to a one-liner and nobody called in question the whole premise of the thread?
I'd need a citation that PUA "collapsed". Afaik the RSD pickup artists with their gigantic youtube channels still make millions a year.

But for sure, from what I see in those peoples videos, there was a strong shift to not being as aggressive + just being le successful and attractive thereby + using instagram.
RSD Tyler in particular went 100% New Age LA culture in the last 5 year so,..

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PUA is still alive, but today its marketed as "lifestyle", since the PUA has got too much negative media attention and women learned about MM (negging, peacocking etc).

Most of rhe PUA community try to distance themselves from the pua, since its not good for marketing and the MM works in the short term, but stunts your growth in rhe long term.

Most of the bad stuff of PUA has gone and the good stuff has gone into people promoting lifestyle blogs.

like a site called girlschase.com myself, because the writers are actually
a) Don't hate women, rather appreciate them both human beings and sexual beings -
and
b) Not give out toxic advice in general as a rule.

They have many writers there who you
can tell speak from experience.

If you prefer a more healhier approach to getting laid which doesnt require you to use scripted lines or negs all the time, I highly recommend girlschase.

So yeag, I would say PUA hasnt died, just evolved out of the crap it once was.

Mystery's married btw.

such a sad and stupid industry

had to listen to some lecture from some swedish ugly faggot I met on a party explaining how this all works.

no bro, you are ugly and socially awkward, nobody is going to fuck you, doesnt matter what kind of DHV or negs you place.

fucking retarded cucks.

It doesn't work the "magic" it claims.

You still have to actually go talk to girls, with Tinder, guys just realized they weren't attractive and took the black pill.

You can only improve yourself so much from PUA shit.

Most men realized that it makes more sense in terms of time investment to invest in politically trying to change the way women act, rather than learning a bunch of arbitrary bullshit and supplicate to their wants.

Who is more cucked? A guy who pops black pills, or a guy who spends thousands of dollars and thousands of hours trying to morph himself into something a woman will like?

Market saturation. Indirect competition. Fad cycles. Give it a bit and it'll come back.

It didn't. Its just changed slightly. But all it is is internet marketing and sales.

because PUA is just a bunch of psychological gimmicks the marketing industry had been leveraging for years. it was repackaged with misogyny to appeal to sexually disenfranchised men.

>because PUA is just a bunch of psychological gimmicks
Its actually basic social skills and some sales and persuasion mixed in with it.

>It morphed from PUA -> Inner Game -> Cult of Self-Improvement

well this really is the best way to get girls. essentially the boil down message is you have to literally become Chad.

people just pirated their books, at the same time market oversaturated

Worked for me. However, I took the playboy/G route. It was a niche sect that actually made fun of PUAs and "the manosphere". Always got called larpers and big baller trolls. But we were the only real niggas there.

To answer your question, most pua gave up or became men going their own way. Then trump came along and all the whites became family oriented.

It's now considered weird and anti-social to cold approach in public because of the popularity of dating apps. It's still acceptable in very niche locations like bars and clubs, however in these areas you're surrounded by competition and women are on their guard expecting to be approached.

It's sad to see what some of the pua have become

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You have clearly never done any day game.
You can be that friendly guy they "just happened" to strike up a conversation with take them for a coffee and get the number or fuck them. It really is that easy if you work at it.
Women don't give a fuck about getting approached if you do it right. One example. I was at a bar with a couple of other mates ripped off my shirt because it was funny then literally gone round and made out with pretty much every woman there. Completely delusional self confidence. They were all watching this happen, so what does that say about game and women in general? They are all hardwired the same way and the behavior you think is acceptable, what you can "get away with" is what your mind limits it to.

How is this not every man's favorite hobby? There is nothing that comes close.

porn got better and cheaper

It went Mainstream on tv shows like How I Met Your Mother with pick up artist Barney Stinson, once the market got saturated and everyone had the knowledge, the value of PUA went to zero.

I don't like pugs but that is a fucking nice looking pug. I bet that dude pulls.

Gunwitch was a creepy fuck who sometimes banged 3s and 4s but lied about everything. Then he shot a bitch in the face.

PUA was a fucking fad. Guys got into it and either realized that you don’t need to do a bunch of contrived shit to get laid and settled down as they got old or they gave up and became incels and MGTOW after getting scammed out of many thousands of dollars. Now younger dudes are afraid to even try because of MeToo

>How is this not every man's favorite hobby?
Because it's degenerate, a waste of money, and never leads to anything serious.
>There is nothing that comes close.
Crypto has taken over my life and I feel no shame about it.

You don’t even have to become Chad. Just more Chad-like. There are a lot more ordinary guys are fucking up and ignoring or turning off bitches who are attracted to them than there are guys who are just too ugly/troll-like to ever get laid. The first group just needed to clean up some things—fashion, having the guts to approach, learning some basic social skills and how to identify attraction signals and then escalate. Once they do that, they’re fine even if fhey’re not Chad. Unfortunately, there’s no hope for that latter group so they become incels/MGTOW.

It was an attempt by autists and sociopaths to teach other autists and sociopaths how to simulate basic social skills. That’s why it made so many guys act weird and failed them.

doesn't work in general. it only works for a very small section of men that are good looking but had low confidence.

PUA is the most cringe inducing shit, neck yourself if you did this

I swear, the incel/lookism culture ended up hating PUAs more than feminists and their male orbiters ever did.

That said, the old-school stuff, the Roissy-Mystery stuff, is timeless, and it's free.

archive.org/details/BarryKirkeyRadioShowEpisodes63-100

Have a listen to the porn theatre episode. Guy was funny.

>Now younger dudes are afraid to even try because of MeToo
Which is a problem.

>Because it's degenerate, a waste of money, and never leads to anything serious.

If you can approach and date women using cold approach you can select a partner from a wider selection of girls, who you will have far more compatibility with. Hooking up with someone from your social circle is so limiting.

>Crypto has taken over my life and I feel no shame about it.

No problem with that at all.

However I suggest going to a bar or club, don't drink (have a few beers if you suffer from anxiety I guess) and approach women non-stop for an hour. That is your only goal. Don't allow any time between approaches. Done right, you will experience a state that is very hard to replicate. Everything fucking clicks. Your mind shuts up. People will react around you- like guys jumping out the way to let you through to the bar. Girls will be attracted without "doing" anything. You will also notice physical changes- your pupils dilate significantly- I swear something is released in the brain.
Anyway that's enough about pickup!

Its becoming increasingly difficult to avoid the black pill. With the exponential rise and effect on society phenomena like tinder, instagram, love island etc have had - men are beginning to realise the raw animal nature of womens sexuality, and that no 'PUA strategy' can get you laid if you dont meet a base level of sexual attractiveness.

Fucking cringe.

People are getting out of your way because you look creepy as fuck and they're afraid you might touch them.

My little brother moved away and was bored so he started hanging out with some PUAfags and I can't go out with him anymore it's so embarrassing. PUA is just being deluded enough to think you being awkward and creepy as fuck all over the bar is normal. Sure he got laid once every once and a while but it is not worth it.

MeToo was almost exclusively rich Hollywood liberal male feminists getting screwed, what does that have to do with PUA?

Did Roosh ever face MeToo charges? No he didn't.

This kills society.
What happens when 90% of men refuse to contribute to it anymore because only 10% of men manage to get with women who really love them...(and even then...)

Oh sure they'll be replaced by bots; but someone has to design said bots (for the foreseeable future at least) and usually the guys who design bots aren't muscular chads they are often skinny pajeets living in a dark room hypnotized by a screen trying to make money and "make the world better" (for whom?)

>That said, the old-school stuff, the Roissy-Mystery stuff, is timeless, and it's free.
Exactly this. People these days get way too caught up in the goofy elements of the old PUA guys without reading into the simple truths it exposed about female behavior. That was the real, original redpill. You don't have to be some peacocking/obnoxious fagmaster doing 1000s of approaches to have learned at least a little bit about how women work.

There hasn't been a single valuable thing added to the PUA scene since like, 2008. Everything after that time has been an MLM scam or something like it. Everything you need to know is out there and available for free and won't cost you more than a few hours of reading. People who hate on PUA are just reacting to the obnoxious late-arriving element that tried to monetize everything and/or got brainwashed by SJWs.

>Why did the PUA industry collapse in recent years?
It didn't. It simply rebranded.
Which, in my opinion, is a good thing. Allows people to package more holistic, comprehensive principles into it.

ex-pua here... all PUA does is increase chances with women who are your standard coz you talk to more 6/10's for example....BUT I REPEAT- THE 10/10'S will still choose Chad over you....PUA will get you a date with them and maybe a kiss BUT thats it

Chad can be imitated but never REPLICATED.

PUA at best is like alcohol, merely social lube

it merely streamlines the process

>friend got into PUA at 29 years old
>he got his first fatty gf ever
>now he constantly tries to annoy me into saying "I can make you learn to hook up man" like if i didn't knew what was going on
>he doesn't even realize most men have already grown up from the "validation from women" phase and are existentially coping through hobbies, religion or politics

it's annoying and i pity him seriously, please don't do this, it's cringe, everyone can see what you are trying to do

my fellow black man. you fuckin nailed it. i remember sweating all summer long for hours and finally landed a model. she went on 1 date with me and fucked Chad all summer long. i only got 1 kiss from her. fuck this garbage

>reddit spacing: the thread
wtf is going on in here

everyone I ever met that was into PUA was ugly as fuck, awkward as fuck, and if they were succesful, could only bag fatties.

Thing with "PUA" is that it's all if it is just common knowledge among socially adapted men. Learning 'the rules' won't do any good to an incel, it's like learning how to drive a bike by reading a book. Women are amazing at seeing through BS and trying to copy chad behaviour will just come across as creepy if done by an incel.

tldr you have to live it

Isn't it ironic how PUA teachers like Roosh can't find a loyal wife?

What's the matter, Jow Forums? Afraid we might fuck your gf?

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Look at this to understand what makes a Chad

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Limiting my alcohol consumption is something I can attempt but have difficulty with due to over a decade of heavy substance abuse. I am not going to approach random women in a bar without a drink. That's autistic and gives off vibes of trying to drug and/or date rape them.

Hookups and flings always lead me to regret and self-loathing. I am not in a position to be dating anyone right now. When I find myself comfy financially I may give it another go.

Because the real redpilled is trying to dilute the nuances of human social interaction into a bunch of if-else functions doesn't make up for having shit-tier source code.

Millenials have insufficient testosterone levels.

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This is accurate.

>Why did the PUA industry collapse in recent years?

#metoo made it too dangerous to game women.

See:

The game by Neil Strauss is all you need to read and get it. In the end he said it himself, all this shit he learned about attracting girls was bullshit. All he actually needed to do was find something he was passionate about and go for it, instead of focussing on women.
It is an interesting read, and I would definitely recommend it. However, it is also quite depressing, knowing that most girls are that shallow. I expected some more from them. But it is good to understand why some men are more successful than other.

IMO actually doing the PUA stuff in real life was bullshit. Do you really think I am going to do all these kind of dance monkey bullshit just for women to like me? Fuck no, they will like me or they can fuck off.

no it was created by ugly feminists that wanted attention because they get none. pic related the founder of #metoo.

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That fucking nose doe bruh

this. #metoo is the metatasis of feminism, they can scream for attention - any attention - but hypergamy leaves the 0/10 (possible -1/10) like your pic related behind, so to fill the void they create a negative attention outlet that the media runs with.
PUA didn't die, OP is an incel KHV, mentally deficient males either went mgtow or blackpill because society is now a garbage heap with feminism ruined it (and shitty men allowed it tbf) so they have to have an outlet. the core of it - learning how women and the world work in reality, not how you think they should work - has never and will never change until biology does in like 800 generations.

pua only works on skanks

i went from 255lbs to 185lbs and girls started throwing themselves at me. I never knew what life on easy mode was until I dropped a fuckton of weight.

>pounds

burgers need to be gassed already

>8 generations.
Ftfy

People finally figured out that it's all about looks.

>Source: Average looking guy with average results after years of wasting time reading bullshit

by talking to more girls you naturally will get some results eventually and also get less awkward just by experience alone.

Look the best you can, approach girls, escalate, be somewhat persisten and hope for the best.

Weak ass male version of feminism. Get culled faggot.

Dab

kek

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Incorrect. You can still bang hotties by making them laugh and having interesting things to say.

Probably because it's a load of shit. Dating for guys is a numbers game, period. Average-looking guys have about a 1%-5% success rate with women who are the selectors. Best thing you can do is subject yourself to failure over and over until you find a bite. The only way to improve your odds is to be extremely good-looking, extremely wealthy or have celebrity status.

To echo everyone else in this thread: PUA doesn't work in the Tinder era.

t. never been laid

PUA never worked.

Why is biz so obsessed with this ginger faggot. Or is it 1 autist posting it over and over.

yeah this you end up at your same level and you still have to put in work for it. you think my father/grandfather had to do approaches, learn routines and all that shit? they married young, virgin waifus from their social circles and were happily married for all their lifes. nowadays you gotta put in work to get some bitch who had tons of dicks already and most of these broads arent good for anything besides banging. the fact that PUA exists is a symptom of a sick, decaying society.

Did the most handsome caveman pass on his genes? Nope. It was the strong brutal one who would have fucked all of the females and killed the betas who tried to encroach on his territory.

It's easier if you are 6'4 and model handsome but any scrub can learn to be social and lay hot women.

When you start you will likely be rejected by hundreds and thousands of women. Then you'll get the odd success here and there and eventually it becomes consistent. Who cares if it takes years? The whole process is incredibly fun.

Millions of years of evolution is not displaced by a dating app. Go to a coffee shop and engage with a woman in the q or sat opposite you.

Yes, but also by spiking their emotions, leading physically and sexually, not being emotionally attached to the outcome, which is basically demonstrating high value behavior that causes attraction in women and is hard coded into their dna.

Practically speaking a big part of it is having good logistics and a place to pull them to.

Getting laid though has jack shit to do with the car you drive or your bank balance unless you are looking for a gold digger. Your rolex is not going to get her wet and is try hard.

You think attraction is completely biological but it's also social and related to the ideology of our times, let's completely flip your examples, let a cavemen live in modern times and try to get women to consciously lay with him, he wouldn't have a chance against people who are considered famous or had lot of power, at most he would do the same he did in their times which would be rape but that's not what PUA wants (they want to make women consciously lay with them), which would make him get what he wants but he wouldn't exactly be playing the game good

You can't do it with just PUA, there is far more going on in our society than behaviour, you need a good family, money, prestige, power, friends, career, hobbies, being young, etc

It's called social status and it's also wired into our biology via serotonine

If you say you can fake all those things by your behaviour i would seriously consider that you may be younger than 18, any women will eventually find your real life and how in control you are off it, PUA may help you with one night stands but seriously only delusional incels glorify that shit, the amount of crazy girls you can find in one night stands is seriously off the charts and you need to be a sociopath to be able to rub that shit out of yourself without becoming depressed at long term

the problem is not getting laid but having fulffilling relationships though. the best PUA guys I know are all complete clusterfucks and their relationships are a mess. theyre fantastic at getting laid but have completely dysfunctional relationships. and thats probably not surprising because it takes a certain kind of personality to go through hundres/thousands of rejections and deal with all the bullshit just to get some pussy, most men with some sense will give up way before that or end up having a gf and drop out of the game. most top PUAs have some serious screws lose to get to the level where they are why in the world woudl you want to have sex with hundreds of women in the first place, it gets really old after a couple IME

Kek!