Universal basic income when?

Everyone supporting this shit is literally a double digit IQ moron

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People who support UBI get the rope, too.

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if the average iq is 100 then half the people are under it
and you have 30+ million illegals too that regardless of iq will vote the wrong way
better get ready to that tasty civil war

Found the wage slaves, what does your boss's shit taste like kid?

>unironically when a robot workforce gets large enough to become taxed

I doesn't work that way. All this translates to is taxing the person who uses the robots more.

Can't have UBI without decentralized oracle network

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It tastes amazing and I'll keep gorging on his steaming hot shit as long as it's not kosher meanwhile as I get rawdogged in the ass by his mayo white shareholders

Would this be bullish or bearish for BTC?

Bullish. UBI will devalue fiat with hyperinflation.

And where is the money for that coming from? The companies who automate their processes are doing so in order to increase profits. If you remove that incentive through taxation, they'll just leave and do it elsewhere. The alternative is nationalization, which is the same as death, really.

Thank god

can't wait to stand alongside you lads on the battlefield

Read how basic economics work.
If literally everyone gets an amount X of money for free the prices will also go up.
You dont have to be a genius to understand that

You redistribute spending power or whatever you call it (money used by consuming classes). But you don't redistribute actual capital. Otherwise you'd cause inflation, because the capitalists can simply increase the prices of products in case taxes are increased, no?

>If literally everyone gets an amount X of money for free the prices will also go up.

That is kind of like saying that if we can garuntee everyone gets at least a shitty job and we experience 100% employment for everyone then the economy would collapse.

ONLY 48?
Anyways, I'm all in.
78%of full time workers live paycheck to paycheck.
50% of renters spend over 30% of their income on rent. Of those, half (25%) spend over 50% of their income on rent.
Also, pic related. It's pretty shitty most places.

Nationwide, 62 percent of jobs pay either hardship wages (aka can't survive on your own) or livable wages (can't save for shit) so only 38 percent of jobs are good aka middle class and up (well in terms of pay, not even considering quality of life. Example, lawyers make bank, but work life 60+ hrs a week on the norm making it shit in my eyes).

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how much will each individual get from UBI. also what is described as a "living wage"? does that mean cityfags would get a lot more than countrycucks?

You dont seem to understand my point.
As I said, read how basic economics work. The ones who profit from an UBI are the ones who are already employed, NEETS will be worse off after the prise level gets adjusted, since other social funds will be cut/deleted.

I'm all for it, as a negative income tax.

youtu.be/xtpgkX588nM

You’d have a lot of useless jobs that are a waste.

>UBI gets implemented
>everybody stops working
>no goods are produced
>????
>Profit

A decade or two before the collapse of Western society.

> The ones who profit from an UBI are the ones who are already employed, NEETS will be worse off after the prise level gets adjusted, since other social funds will be cut/deleted.

This is a lot like saying if every neet suddenly got a semi succesful Youtube/Twitch channel then all of a sudden the economy would collapse. I think you are vastly over estimating how much a free shitty pay check will actually do to the cost of living.

In poor areas where the median income is very low maybe I can see the cost of living going up slightly. But places like Manhattan will barely fucking give a shit at all. Nothing would change.

anything that operates under the guise of common good will always be a scam

Did you just counter propose with another, more-convoluted tax?

>You’d have a lot of useless jobs that are a waste.

You missed my point. I am saying that when people say that a UBI will rekt the economy the same could be said for 100% employment.

>cures for diseases are a scam

woke af

>>everybody stops working

People would have to offer more money for the same job.

It's been tried, and abandoned, in:
>Finland
>Netherlands
>Canada
It's not gonna happen you faggots.

which would make everything more expensive and nullify UBI wouldnt it?

But why work? If UBI is designed to cover your basic needs then even if the price rises UBI has to as well. There is no reason to work because by its definition it will take care of your basic needs.

100% employment already was a thing. In shithole, eastern yuro communist countries. Didnt work too well.
UBI means that everyone gets paid, not just neets. If everyone has more money they buy more and prices go up.
Where is money for ubi even supposed to come from? Not that Im against the idea but supporters seem to have 0 understanding of economics.

UBI is the dumbest meme ever. how about lowering taxes and letting me keep some of my income instead of redistributing even more money. I dont want to feed niggers with my money reeee
>t. eurofag with 70-80% tax burden

Taxes are mostly just a way to take purchasing power away from wise consumers and give it to unwise consumers.

youtu.be/kl39KHS07Xc

Guys.... we can't even afford ubi for people over 65. Let that sink in. It just doesn't work.

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It will turn the lower classes into leeches expecting and and dependent on handouts. Eventually it will get harder and harder to fund, like the soldiers' salaries at the end of the Roman empire. Any politician who moves to lower the UBI once it's in place will be opposed by the mob, those promoting more handouts will have mob support, and democracy will drive itself into ruin.

>wouldn't need to work
You guys need to watch this vid.

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They already are leeches and getting handouts. UBI would simplify it. Make it cheaper. Couple that to automation indexm and boom. You got it.

>they'll just leave and do it elsewhere.
This.
Unless everyone, and I mean EVERYONE (so impossible), got on board companies literally only exist to make money. They're 100% amoral entities. Congrats, you've cucked yourself and now Africa will literally Wakanda itself.

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>which would make everything more expensive and nullify UBI wouldnt it?

It depends.
We have to assume most jobs wont exist anyway. Higher costs creates an incentive to automate the job. So now Bob who was going to do a shitty job for a shitty pay check has been automated and now Bob just gets a free shitty pay check instead.

You also have to keep in mind that with a UBI you have to get rid of the minimum wage. So in somecases you can get away with paying people less. Bob does find a shitty job but makes 4 dollars an hour on top of his free shitty pay check.

It also creates more liquidity in the market in general giving anyone who is good at marketing a chance to slurp up money from free shitty pay check people that didn't exist before.

>100% employment already was a thing. In shithole, eastern yuro communist countries. Didnt work too well.

Well a UBI would basically be equivalent to 100% employment... At least in terms of who gets a pay check every week.

>Where is money for ubi even supposed to come from?

We would downsize the fuck out of the government and replace most social programs with this one simple system. Literally just gut the fuck out of everything. No more welfare, no healthcare nothing. All of that complicated inefficient garbage we have going on right now would have to be gutted completely.

A UBI would actually be cheaper overall to fund.

>It will turn the lower classes into leeches expecting and and dependent on handouts.

We would need to pretty much end all immigration and put in super high limits to who can get the UBI. Something like 4rth generation Americans only.

It comes down to this really. Yang is proposing an "opt-in' version, meaning you forgo every other from of assistance when you sign up for it, which is good but the ideal would be a replacement for the entire welfare system. Allow an option for some of it to contribute to tax breaks or a retirement fund, kinda like that Singapore does, that would be ideal. 3 birds with one stone

UBI is a drug dealers dream.

>lawyers make bank, but work life 60+ hrs a week on the norm making it shit in my eyes
Same. This STEM/Law/Medicine/CS shit doesn't appeal to be at all. If you want to 'make it' and get that six figures, you need to basically sell your soul (imo).
Now if those are your calling, your vocation that you love and live and breath because it speaks to you, then good on you my man, I fully support you and I'm sure you in fact love 60+ hour weeks and wish you could do more (and you probably do).

But.

If you are only doing it for the money, then fuck me surely there are better ways?

Example: I love film. I love volunteering to help local groups, I've worked on some big movies, and doing a 12 hour day for three months straight while exhausting, I fucking relished. I could not wait to create and execute a vision and a story for others to enjoy.

Sadly when that work dries up (it's show business), I go back to my office drone role and want to kms by 11am Mon to Fri. It actually pays more (when averaged out), but I literally cannot sleep on Sunday nights anymore because the prospect of going back to The Hive make me mentally ill.

>TL;DR
Defining QoL is mostly subjective and context objective.

Oh no it's someone with blue hair

>abandoned
False.
Don't lie and misuse words.
It was only ever intended as a limited experiment.
The experiment was concluded and deemed successful within its parameters.
Alas, a flat-UBI would not work in America.
In Australia we effectively have a means tested UBI already.

Legalize drugs by the state. Make heavy users go to special places. tax the sales. Drug dealers btfo.

The main issues with UBI is that

1. We need automation to not be a meme. We seriously need some robots doing shit and we need most jobs to be automated or this shit cant work.

2. We need to convince retarded leftists to downsize the fuck out of the government and we need to make the system extremely simple.

Number 2 aint going to happen. Leftists are fucking RETARDED and they will do EVERYTHING they can to not gut the government. They will demand all kinds of complicated bullshit like if Latrice has 4 bastards she gets more UBI then White Boy Bob. The Jews will turn this shit into a money farm.

The only way a UBI can work is if its implemented perfectly. GOOD FUCKING LUCK. The only other actual option for a UBI would be a crypto based UBI but you have to have some kind of system to make sure one person cannot have more than one account. Solve that one issue and a decentralized UBI is possible.

Make a decentralized white male only UBI so you can trigger the fuck out of BUZZFEED or some shit.

Index the automation. Tax the companies with robot tax. Its so damn simple. Today people get layed off cause of robots. Losing their damn job. Huge profits for the boss. Its unsustainable. Robots doing shit is already happening. Wake the fuck up boomer dinosaur oldfag

Elimination of section 8, food stamps, cash assistance, earned income credit, subsidized tuition, free child care, and programs too numerous to name in exchange for $1000/ month would cost the typical welfare recipient about $3100/ month in free shit, and displace most of the government workforce. Without an accompanying draconian eugenics program and roving crowd control kill bots in the urban cores (and Floridian trailer parks), ubi, and the notion of everyone being free to self actualize for the betterment of humanity, is Trotskyist fairy tale.

How do you finance it?

Who will be privileged to receive UBI? The people of your country? What about other countries. What about illigal immigrants? What about the 100childs of Ahmed? WE have seen what happened in Europe...now think 100times worse. This would happen to the first country launching a nation wide UBI.

Self improvement is the only way to fly. The american dream. You boomer fags only want benefits for yourself and your own family soon you will have nothing anymore matk my words. Call me a commie is all you got. No room for debate nothing. You already pay taxes to the government you turd. Most of that is going to the military to bomb brown people for fossil fuels and currencies. Wake the fuck up cracker.

>Its unsustainable.

You don't have a reason to live. Its perfectly sustainable. Nobody owes you a fucking life. Die in the streets like an animal while the technocracy flourishes.

>Wake the fuck up boomer dinosaur oldfag

Just because the future doesn't include poor fags doesn't make it unsustainable. The only things not sustainable is when people who matter over extend themselves and blow their valuable time and wealth on people who suck at existence to a point where nobody can pay the bills. That's when sustainability comes into the equation.

HAHA If every poor person fucking vanished tomorrow society would be fucking fine. It would be BETTER OFF actually.

The only viable argument now for UBI is that shit is so fucked up that its better than continuing the current bullshit.

THIS. They were implemented as a test run. That user is just lying to push his agenda of anti ubi.

Everyone gets it. Everyone. Joe. Lucy liu. Chang. Achmed.andullah. tyrone. Staisy. Honkey. Everyone gets it. And it will cost nothing.

>The only viable argument now for UBI is that shit is so fucked up that its better than continuing the current bullshit.

This srly seems like the real answer

These crackers think they can dis UBI cause they own a couple crypto bagd and some divident stocks. Please go out in the real world and observe reality you computer nerds. Get some fresh air in reality

Could be sustainable. Just go into hyperinflation with a few more QE rounds.

We could be like the good old Weimarer republic

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>This srly seems like the real answer

Yeah, provided its implemented perfectly which is impossible because leftists are fucking retarded. So yeah, in a perfect world where everyone can come to a consensus on the proper things and it doesn't just further bloat the government even more. Its less shit than what we already have in place right now.

But as it stands right now. It will never happen correctly and it will be implemented all kinds of fucked up.

Watch the vid before commenting. A lot of what is asked here is answered in this short vid.

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Dude wat?

Are you suggesting to dismantle all existing programs and hand out $1000/ month? It honestly won't impact me directly (directly being emphasized here); I'm a 35yr old self employed person who's customers have jobs.
You typed out a bunch of jive talk gibberish that doesn't translate to much. All I can glean from what you say is you like uni and don't like old people.

Its like talking to a propaganda machine really. The weimar ?cmon m8. On and on like a broken record. Weimar and zimbabwe. Is it you alex jones?

>Die in the streets like an animal while the technocracy flourishes.

Definitely zero problems will emerge from allowing this to happen, heh

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>These crackers think they can dis UBI cause they own a couple crypto bagd and some divident stocks.

The only fucking way you will see a UBI ever done half way properly will be with crypto. The government will never be able to implement such a system properly.

Ok... this thread seemed to be an almost productive discourse on ubi, but i believe a few genuine negroes and a cryptocurrency enthusiast have entered the thread, so DERAIL FUCKING IMMINENT.
*parachutes away*

Kek imagine being optimistic stock boomer with a ledger reading a financial times outside some french looking café. Suddenly from around the corner 10 people in dire need of an UBI see your shiny rolex on your wrist. One of them drops down a boombox and plays his latest beat on you

>Definitely zero problems will emerge from allowing this to happen, heh

A couple nigger uprisings similar to occupy wallstreet. Maybe a civil war. Its a bumpy fucking road we are about to travel on. A UBI might be possible if we slash and burn the current regime.

We need to pop a few bubbles user. The reset button is needed.

I know. People don't wanna learn from history. I don't really care...i will give UBI a shot. Nevertheless is impossible to sustain UBI with a stable economy. And once again, IF (and that's a fucking fucking big IF) you can somehow magically finance UBI, you have to get rid of nation aka states. Otherwise UBI will ruin the few countries which are implementing it.

Ubi looks scary but it becomes a partial part of everyonea pay. Nothing will change its a simplification couple to automation thats it. Most people are too simpleminded to understand it. Sothey attack it with history which is a fallacy.

As soon as this shit comes out I literally stop working lmao. Fuck paying for niggers and spics

Yoi already pay for them

Barely. I make less than 20k and also collect EBT oh yeah and I work for the state of Massachusetts so essentially I'm a parasite too

Swipe that fucker

>Ok... this thread seemed to be an almost productive discourse on ubi, but i believe a few genuine negroes and a cryptocurrency enthusiast have entered the thread, so DERAIL FUCKING IMMINENT.
>*parachutes away*

The fuck were you even doing here in the first place? You expected the honest answer regarding the topic to be flowery speach about how good old Bernie Sanders will whisk us away into perfect socialist utopia land using the latest communism-light buzzword without a little blood on your fucking hands? One of the main things I hate about you reddit fuckers with your futuristic subreddits is you always talk about shit like "its just going to happen someday, any day now guys!"

Then you retards shit all over any actual change because you NPC morons cant handle even a little change. You post in a bubble talking about how great X will be but you act like your corporate overlords are just going to put it in a happy little box and leave it in front of your door one day. What the fuck do you think this is the 1990s still you absolutely fucking morons!! Like some day (((They))) will give us everything we need with zero hardships!

The reality is that automation means civil war. UBI requires reworked government. Fiat is not sustainable in its current state because its not backed by anything. And corporations are about to take it in the ass one massive red dildo at a time until something gives.

I agree with UBI but ONLY if you get rid if all gibmedats from the gov. This is what Milton Friedman proposed so people have the freedom to choose what to do with that money. At the same time you get rid of all the burocratic bs of every gibmedat existing right now and reduce it to a basic one time payment for the whole population.

How can nothing change if you replace something (let's call it welfare for simplication, which isn't accurate tho) with UBI which literally needs multiple times the money as before? Either money hasn't an value anymore or you have to get it otherwise?
Robot / AI Tax? Cute will never work
HFT Tax? Would be enough money, unfortunately the profit margin in HFT is so tiny, that any expense would make it obsolete. So clearly no.
Any other ideas? I am willing to listen. But don't throw around with BS. I know Gen Z and Mil don't wanna work anymore and UBI is an easy exit scam, but be realistic once.

Did you even read my other posts itt. It would've saved you considerable embarrassment and a substantial amount of time in typing out this quality copypasta tier rant.

And that's why UBI is an utopic idea, exactly as yours.

>is Trotskyist fairy tale.

Yeah pretty much.

>and a cryptocurrency enthusiast have entered the thread, so DERAIL FUCKING IMMINENT.

I responded mostly to that. If you haven't noticed the cryptocurrency thing i the only shot in hell at getting something like this to work.

>Cute will never work

Works

>most people don't refuse free money
What the fuck

>I responded mostly to that. If you haven't noticed the cryptocurrency thing i the only shot in hell at getting something like this to work.

Alright, I'll come back in here, because I believe we're mostly on the same page. I'm not shitting on crypto generally (though I am a skeptic). I'm merely stating that within the context of whatever actual productive dialog can be had regarding ubi, injecting crypto is, in essence, a non sequitur. You'd be stacking one untested, and controversial system, on top of another untested and controversial system, basically just to do it; meanwhile, we haven't even truly examined what works (and more likely doesn't) with ubi as a concept.
Now is not the time for crypto... that comes later.

Zero arguments provided by you in this whole thread. Seems like UBI is srly a meme for subhumans.

the swiss did lol
they are unironically smart
thelocal.ch/20160606/a-guaranteed-income-why-the-swiss-said-no

If anything is a meme its crypto, Stocks And taxpayer money

Taxpayer money being the biggest meme

>lmao why doesn't the government just build my road for free
Unless you live in the woods and use no infrastructure, shut the fuck up

Ah clearly didnt understand my post. Sad. Yes good citizen. All your money went to roads ;)

I believe he is an actual worldstar-american. I wouldn't spend much time going back and forth with him, if I were you.