Universal Basic Income is the future. How do we make this happen faster?

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In France we basically already have UBI, anyone over the age of 25 gets 600€/month + social aids for rent depending on where you live so you can get up to 850€ a month in neetbux.
It's really not a good way to live if you don't have any savings. Basically you can afford a shitty one-room appartment in a bad part of town, pay your electricity/internet bills and low-tier food for a month.

UBI never made sense to me. Too many people would just buy drugs and other bullshit. We're not responsible enough as a society for that.

What we really need is subsidized housing, food staples and electricity. Then if you want anything besides the basic necessities, you will have to work for it.

Air it's not your place to decide what is mroal. You give your money and however they use it that's how it is and you shouldn't complain

Or just guaranteed employment. I wish I could just walk to city hall and be like "lost it all in crypto, gonna clean park bathrooms for awhile bro"

yeah all your working citizens are reaaaal happy about supporting you too

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yep. anyone getting UBI, and welfare for that matter, should be banned from luxuries, like iphones, alcohol, cigarettes, soda, candy, so on

I'm not judging the morality of it, I'm judging it's efficacy. People dont need money, they need food and shelter. If you want to spend money on drugs or anything else I have no problem with that. But if you essentially made them free, millions of people would delve into serious addiction. One of the many reasons UBI is an unrealistic solution

God I just wish you could be banned for a month.

These guys are mad about the loss of buying power, not welfare. Tons of them are actually getting social aids but it's just not enough to live like the previous generation used to.

I'm sure setting a standard of giving out free money, then more people flocking in to get free money has nothing to do with this at all

Get a job you lazy fuck!

Companies could pay slightly higher salaries to their employees to adjust to inflation and stop giving literally billions to CEO and shareholders. But they don't so there is violence in the street. This is a story as old as civilization itself.

Always the fault of the employer and never the employee for being fucking useless amirite?

If you don't think working a full time job deserves a living wage for basic stuff like rent/bills/food + spare money to spend or save up, then this conversation pretty much stops here.
France has objectively never been as rich in its entire history. Yet both standards of living for workers AND welfare have gone down.

>It's really not a good way to live if you don't have any savings.
is it a good way to live? to leach off the workers of the country?

i dont doubt the CEO's earn too much. but i bet they didnt at any point brag about how good it is to live off welfare.
maybe you could do better, and earn more money

maybe vote fiscally conservative instead of voting by your feels, dont vote in another globalist lefty in who is going to import more leaches to make your country worse

>Always the fault of the employer and never the employee for being fucking useless amirite?
No it's the fault of lawmakers and fiscal planners for creating an environment of high unemployment and low bargaining power for employees.

As I said, welfare here only gives you basic necessities you literally cannot afford anything else. If you're married with kids maybe it's better since you get more money but it's still a pretty shitty life with no enjoyment. You're basically sitting at home waiting for your next welfare check to pay rent and food and can't afford ANYTHING else.
If some people brag about this lifestyle they are 100% coping.

>creating an environment of high unemployment
France would be doing just fine if they stopped immigration. Merkels EU plan has fucked everyone.

Too many countries driven by the guilt of colonial times and whatever other shit the UN sells them, worrying about helping people from far off lands when they have people who they are meant to represent going without

Trust me many people agree with this but the situation is what it is. Even far right candidates like the Lepen familly are pretty much memes and are only proposing to slow down immigration, not reversing it.
I know one guy who has a solution to this problem but he'll never make it to mainstream politics.

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>imagine the smell

fingers crossed something changes. i feel bad for the whole EU
it's sad. you guys started this shit we all enjoy in the "West". you deserve better

>>Always the fault of the employer and never the employee for being fucking useless amirite?
That wouldn't make sense in Aristotle's time since they were mostly either master and slave. We've come along way and the bad worker argument stops holding at some point. Many points in history in fact.

Commie fags btfo

Sauce?

dude who cares. you can't ever be independent on $10 an hour so why not take the $500 from the government and use it to play vidya and eat frozen pizza? At least it's not going to israel.

That might work for a while but what happens to you when you hit, 40, 50, 60 years old? Is that all you want to do with your life?
God damn this thread got depressing.

Don't worry, there'll be a civil war before then.

>University? Fuck no I watched some youtube videos the post.

it takes work to pick up hundreds on the ground. UBI is communism which will bankrupt the US

gtfo russian shill

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Fucking this. This being possible would solve so much shit.

good luck
if voter ID is racist, work for welfare is racist

Who the fuck pays for that?

Make rich people and wagies pay for it or just print money. I don't give a fuck I just want my gibs.

Literally everyone. Mostly upper middle class since all the rich people fucked off a long time ago or placed all their money in offshore accounts.
My parents each earn about 60k a year and they pay 45% of their income in taxes. To give you an example.

Imagine wagecucking for decades only to have hoards of third worlders invade your country to take gibs while replacing you in the very nation your forefathers died for.

Spoken like a true streetshitter. Disgusting. Ablebodied NEETs who rely on gibs need to be euthanized.

Why does anyone even work in france instead of sitting at home collecting gibs? If you own a house or can live with your parents why would you ever work?

c'est la vie

>it takes work to pick up hundreds on the ground. UBI is communism which will bankrupt the US
>gtfo russian shill

This is the inevitable convergence point. Capitalism eats itself and eventually makes the living conditions on par with the real communisms wev'e seen, although through different means and principles.

"The purpose in life, is a life of purpose."

Never forget this.

Throwing money at people does not accomplish anything.

Teaching people that their role in life is to give something to society and the advancement of humans while throwing money at them is the future.

meh, its merit based. and if you think you are worth more than you are paid, move.

people have forever got up and moved to where there is more/better paid work. it only eats itself if the population thinks they should have it handed to them. which is the lie they've been sold with shit like UBI

i got taught no free lunches, life wasnt meant to be easy, etc when i was a kid. now its we "deserve" this, or that. free money. health care is a "right"

pffft, nothing is a right

>>Throwing money at people does not accomplish anything.
Apparently it stops people from rioting.

The big issue with ubi is that no one would work anymore since they can just sit around collecting free money right?

So just force people to work to be able to collect ubi then, make them work like 10 hours a week or 3 months a year or something like that, theres currently a huge labor surplus theres no reason someone should have to work 40 hours a week every week of the year

If UBI arrives the prices of everything will increase a shit ton resulting in the money being near worthless

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I agree with your sentiment but if automation allows us to provide basic housing and sustenance to every person on Earth as a right, shouldnt our pursuit of this be the priority?
People should be able to find their purpose in life without having to worry about poverty

Get on welfare you idiot

>nepotism rampant everywhere
>preferential hiring based on your race and sex
>have to get into a bunch of debt to get a piece of paper to prove youre a good goy
>merit based

Sure bro

>>meh, its merit based. and if you think you are worth more than you are paid, move.

>people have forever got up and moved to where there is more/better paid work. it only eats itself if the population thinks they should have it handed to them. which is the lie they've been sold with shit like UBI

I at least ask you to look at our current economic, social, and political scene as dynamic and changing. The common maxims and truisms of yesterday are going away and new ones will set in and vanish as quickly as the previous one did. One common and easily understood example is Donald Trump and Brexit. These would have been unthinkable 15 years ago except by the very few, now we have those and many other previously unthinkables that are in play.

>meh, its merit based. and if you think you are worth more than you are paid, move.
>people have forever got up and moved to where there is more/better paid work. it only eats itself if the population thinks they should have it handed to them. which is the lie they've been sold with shit like UBI

This is a very good attitude to have except most of the time. Let's see how many people will absolutely commit to the truth of this advice when we face millions of middle-eastern refugees or central american migrants seeking better opportunities.

>pffft, nothing is a right
you are somewhat correct. labor needs to take matters into their own hands and stop asking for leniency for their masters. This entire relationship needs to be thrown out of the window.

I mean, if you really want to be Accelerationist about it....

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no it would not. also checked

Sauce for pic?

Same in Finland, I think you can get 1150€ a month (part of that is the rent). It's real fun when students get 500€/month and can't afford shit

Based, what happens if you have property already?

Can't you just buy a house in the countryside with some friends and then you have 2400€ to spend per month?

BRAP

>So just force people to work to be able to collect ubi then, make them work like 10 hours a week or 3 months a year or something like that, theres currently a huge labor surplus theres no reason someone should have to work 40 hours a week every week of the year
Trying that in Ausfailia and it's a shitfight. It effectively makes them a slave workforce, then entire opposite outcome of what's hoped.
We can't have UBI in our current system because you don't make money by giving back. If we UBI without proper controls, all that does is make it unfair for workers because the price of everything adjusts upward.
>It's not a bug, it's a feature.
>t. Oligarch

>be wagie
>born poor but worked hard and invests wisely, on track towards an upper-middle class lifestyle
>unironically supports UBI
>gubment taxes him to death, cuts his earning potential by 50% and drags him to all while the truly rich just hires a lawyer to find some loopholes

good job

Trips dont lie. I’m gonna need extra strong eye bleach

They are mad at the tax rate. It is literally an insane system

i wanna take a dump on her butt
mmmmm yeah

Fuck off boomer. Nobody cares what you were taught by your "pappy" or some shit. If society was actually fair and egalitarian it'd have merit - but it isn't. There isn't magically an infinite number of jobs in the world, and as automation takes off it's going to be a real problem. The only question is what form post-Capitalism is going to take - a decentralised network of hi-tech NatSoc ethnostates? Or communism powered by a social poinys system hivemind? Something else? Nobody knows yet. But your shit is rapidly ending.

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This.

Social shaming i think

Be in a country that has state-owned oil and already pretty much has a basic income. In that country, you can get paid just to live in the far north. You could buy a house on social security alone. That's right, I'm talking about Norway. You get nice blonde and Chinese women, white nights in summer, suicide-inducing darkness in winter, and aurora borealis for free.

>Based, what happens if you have property already?
You get less aid.

got moar?

Honestly, they are just as part of the problem.
They are on welfare too, most of them are from rural France, which is showered by cities' money.
Some of them are actually public workers litterally paid to do nothing. They also protest about pensions not going up.
If tomorrow, Macron announces that taxes are cut, welfare is gone and public services go to the ones who pay, all those guys starve.

They are adults. If they get controlled by these substances to such an extent that they cant keep themselves up anymore then it is natural selection to filter for frugality. Nothing wrong with not wanting to waste.

>Lepen familly are pretty much memes and are only proposing to slow down immigration, not reversing it.
don't forget, if you go against the jews as a politician they smear you as nazi in the media
many such cases
sad

Dont vote for boomers.
Vote for andrew yang, UBI will save this countries family unit and finally the boomers and bankers will pay for the working class after using us for so long.
It is time my brothers for us to invent, to raise families with wives being paid to raise kids at home.
It is soon!
Rise with us brothers and sisters and vote Andrew Yang a true independant conservative that cant get media coverage because he wants to tax disney bankers and amazon for automation.

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Go check out andrew yang, he explains how in a conservative logical manner its why no cnn or fox or msnbc will putem on and promote him.
They hate the idea of the working class making it and american family unit coming back.,
Like Yang said, their is a war on the american workers through the rich and automation and the rich need to pay for destroying the infrastructure of the US because america is first.

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I do, wither UBI works and we rise to the stars or the system collapses and we rebuild shit right and rise to the stars.
Mankinds destiny need not be stopped by boomer trash or the rich anymore.

Based. But sauce pls

Not if done properly like Andrew Yang has outlined.
Go checkem out, savior of america, the right way. Support the family unit and the american rural towns and communities. trickle up economy.

because when UBI is ontroduced employment goes up, jobs creation goes up, this is fact, it saves rural towns, and small towns, the rich hate this as they want everyone in cities.
It is time friend, UBI will rise America back to the way it should be.

It's cute that you think that you'll be able to afford corporate goods on UBI.

It's lightly seasoned compressed basedcakes for you, boyo.

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>basedcakes
S O Y
fuck nuggers and jannies

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This, and all the shit tier consumer garbage companies will rake in the cash.
In America, Soda is the number on item bought with food stamps.
If UBI hits America KFC, Addidas, Nike, Phillip Moris, Apple, and Sony stocks are going through the roof.

Just go watch the episode of the Chappell Show where Black folk get reparations.

Now I'm not arguing for rampant free markets, but if the goal is to give people a higher quality of life, giving them free money is not that.

Employers fault for hiring a useless worker.

Sauce

Please tell me you have more of her.

Its good yes UBI is the future

Fuck the ancap vests

I think OP meant to say "Universal BCASH income is the future"

Sauce on this ass

what a dumb tattoo, having two of these means NOTHING plugs into chainlink

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The whole point of crypto is to make sure that goverment will not be able to tax anyone anymore. Coins will replace fiat money and start concentrating in the hands of the smartest and most autistic people in the world without any possibility of outside interference making UBI impossible. The result will be some kind of ancap utopia where survival of the fittest will really become about surviving.