Daily Reminder: Many Jow Forumstards apparently fail to understand that the economic system known as Capitalism, is not a political structure -you silly fucks are thinking of corporatism, socialism and/or communism which are the integration of political, economic and governing systems.
Well here’s the kicker: >All global commerce is stratified by the aforementioned integrated governing/economic systems.
That’s right, capitalism is nothing but a fucking meme. A myth. There are no free markets save certain sectors of the black market.
say it again, faggots >There are no free markets save certain sectors of the black market There are no free markets save certain sectors of the black market >There are no free markets save certain sectors of the black market
And yet you blame the world’s problems on and credit the world’s progress to a fucking mythological meme.
Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk are pretty rich. They weren't born that way They started big successful companies that didnt exist before. How did this happen? Pls explain
Neither of you are capable of explaining why exchanging fiat printed by a single entity with a state sanctioned monopoly over the issuance of currency, is “capitalism”. Where’s the unregulated competition?
You can insist that state sanctioned monoplies are an example of Capitlaism but then you’re just letting your stupid show.
Isaiah Hill
WTF I HATE FOOD NOW! Fuck off commie.
Isaac Flores
I actually love the idea of Capitlaism. I’m simply explaining why it doesn’t exist like you were spoon fed to believe, faggots.
It’s really fucking simple: look at the definition of “Capitlaism”. The dictionary is your fren, frenz.
“An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned and development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market.”
>An economic system in which the means of production and distribution are privately or corporately owned Sorry, you don’t lawfuly own anything paid for with fiat...see: wut r property taxes and non-Allodial title >development is proportionate to the accumulation and reinvestment of profits gained in a free market >free markets Again, name one unregulated/“free” market that isn’t the black market.
few bizraelis have the stomach to swallow this redpill
Isaiah Foster
fAnd yet, all the billionaires Jow Forums looks up to have managed to swallow this basic ass redpill a long time ago.
There’d be a lot less billionaires if unbridled free market competition actually existed.
Ayden Martin
>OP is edgelord >probably 19-22 yo >just discovered the free market is a myth >doesn’t understand certain regulations are necessary >just realized the world has been rigged by the rich for thousands of years
Get fucked faggot. The problem isn’t with any of this political or economic systems. The problem is with humans. Wherever they are involved corruption and greed will take over
Brandon Nelson
checked, learn to read, oldfag you apparently missed >And yet you blame the world’s problems on, and credit the world’s progress to, a fucking mythological meme.
1) I’m not claiming unfetterrd capitalism is without its flaws 2) you suck at profiling OPs
But yes,I agree, none of these management systems would be necessary if humans weren’t such a problem.
That said, there’s only one governing system on God’s green earth that pragmatically balances the burden of managing the heard while enabling the greatest freedom by virtue of it’s paramount duty to protect and secure property, the catch being those who fail to exercise dominion over the only real property that matters (one’s own body and mind) forfeit the right to be “free”. Freedom being a relative term, of course.
It’s the perfect blend of facism and magma carta Constitutional Federalism.
Yup time for a bunch of asinine delusional rants about Jewish conspiracies while circlejerking about Randian philosophy that has irrelevant for over 50 years. I really wish Jow Forums wouldn't stop taking their pills they honestly sound like my grandma and we all pity her for lack of mental facilities.
Leftards literally can't offer anything of value to society anymore, everything they've ever said is a lie and can be demonstrated by facts.
Dominic Evans
>doesn't know about 'open market opperations' >doesn't know about 'dirty float' >probably thinks the early 90's GBP pegging to the DM was all Soros's fault
Get fucked 'Capitalists' your dream died with Nixon if not before! >MUH CRYPTO IS MANIPULATED fuckers show me something that isn't!
Evan Rogers
>Marx was still wrong tho Yep. Marx’s criticism and incomplete thesis on capital was based solely on his library studies of Byzantine era labor practices. And because factory workers in his time were making progress by organizing and developing legal networks for recourse that didn’t require adopting communism (thus contradicting Marx’s thesis) he completely ignored and disregarded the contemporary critiques and experience of his working class countrymen by foisting strawmen arguments about things as trivial as their social vulgarity in pubs or lack of academic accredation or intellectual prowess, etc. Marx was a massively narcissistic shitbag.
Marx: the patron saint of lazy trustfund hipsters and champagne socialist.
Capitalism eventually manipulates governments into causing inequality.
What is 2big2fail?
Dylan Smith
There are no free markets save certain sectors of the black market Truth
Tyler Torres
And it will always happen like that, no matter whos in charge, that why governments have to move away and let the market naturally work, the alternative is more inequality, like we have today.
Jose Turner
indeed, which comes down to corrupt people within government
why are you conflating corporatism with capitalism? Those aren’t synonymous terms, user.
Joshua Moore
corporatism is the goal of all capitalism
>purposely twisting my words this hard without the government, inequality would just grow faster, but without the added benefit of a system of law and order. Literally third world cartels and kleptocracy.
Aaron Bell
The entire video starts out with a false premise. Billionaires do not horde wealth in the traditional sense it his companies net evaluation. He could not get 121 billion in cash even if he wanted to.
The second thing "feed the hungry people for three years." Yes sell the entire company to feed people for three years. Then what? The biggest company in the world is now bankrupt and no money is being generated.
Third "some hungry nigger in Africa is the next Newton". Please the flynn effect has a marginal effect.
Fourth muh workers! This completely disregards the middle class for no reason more people are living healthy lives with access to medicine and food than EVER before. Telling a rich person to liquidate his company too feed people hungry people is insane. If somebody came up to you on the street with a gun and demanded everything you own because his family is hungry its a crime and you have no moral obligation to feed him. Regardless if you have $200 in your wallet and he has none.
So his entire argument is for rich people to stop being so rich because they don't deserve it and give more power too benevolent governments who just want to end human suffering.
His last appeal to nature. "Muh animals" animals regular practice kill off other offspring, rape. Not a great thing to base a civilization on.
Humans undoubtedly have the biggest impact on earth and its decline.
Unironically the best solution is to kill off all poor people and live a sustainable life. Stupid fucking video "muh Mughasi in Uganda is the next greatest physicist in the world but he is hungry so he can't do physics".
Poor people contribute nothing to this world they only cause damage and destruction despite this hypothetical ideal youtube video world were literal science isn't science because it hurts my feelings. A quote from the video "pseudo-science" when referring to Darwin. New earth creationist theory level.
Lincoln Martin
>corporatism is the goal of all capitalism Unbridled free market capitalism is as much the antithesis of corporatism as it is of socialism and communism.
Besides, capitalism isn’t a political system. Corporatism is. >apples and oranges
Carter Collins
Isn't wealth going to be accumulated by a few groups of individuals one way or another? I imagie these people would always find the way to rig everything into their favor.
Christopher Baker
>theres no competition for online .com retail businesses >theres no competition in the US to start a new auto company What are you even saying? This whole thread has to be troll bc you havent made any points yet
Owen Scott
>muh online retail >muh semblance of unregulated free markets Again, you’re exchanging (on loan) an underlying asset owned by a bank that has a state sanctioned monopoly over the issuance of said asset. That’s not nessesarily a bad thing (fiat is what financed the Industrial Revolution and brought millions out of poverty) but it sure as hell isn't the result of unregulated “capitalism”.
Sure it is. And yes, they will continue to maintane the system to their favor. That doesn’t mean you should count yourself out from being better able to navigate their system to your favor. They may not let you become the next billionaire but there’s nothing really stopping you from becoming a wealthier class of consumer for them to exploit.
William Collins
What's the alternative?
>Inb4 Marx
Explain to me how communism would prevent the problems that exist in Capitalism from happening.
Fren, this isn’t a pro Marx thread. see Not shitting on nor advocating capitalism. Just illustrating how the only markets that can be defined as “capitalist” are within certain segments of the black market.
Cooper Peterson
They were merely allowed to. Free market happens on a small scale only for the slaves. Once you grow in size, they need to control you or destroy you. Buy you out usually or make you compliant and control you (1000s of ways to do it).
Banking you retard. Central. Banking. OP is a faggot, but not wrong at all.
Lincoln Watson
Why you guys are so dumb? Your countries economically raped all other nations such as south america, africa and some other Islands, literally taking all of value from there such as gold and other precious metals and a lot of other things at the same time they dizimated the original ones from that places.
Then after you take everything you can from the weak you start talking about "merit", at the same time you hide that the only ones that were able to survive was the submissive ones.
People literally live from usury that doesnt mean nothing besides acquired wealth that have a bloodly past.
Nope, I'm not talking that capitalism is evil and socialism is good, I'm just talking you guys just forget the bloodly past your first world countries have in order to pretend poor people are fucked because they want while you have the wealth power that was acquired from the expoliation if that same poor people antecessors.
Oliver Fisher
Aww what's wrong OP? Is your shitty board dying because nobody wants to use it? That's so sad, but maybe it wouldn't be dying if you didn't ban everyone for wrongthink :^)
>Many Jow Forumstards apparently fail to understand that the economic system known as Capitalism, is not a political structure -you silly fucks are thinking of corporatism, socialism and/or communism which are the integration of political, economic and governing systems.
Yes.
Many retards here thinks that national socialism is a mode of production (lol). Or that socialism or bolshevism are modes of production (lol).
They are just different flavor of capitalism.
But hey, young people gotta have their teenage angst thinking Hitler's comeback will save us all.
Christopher Gutierrez
This. So have a system that openly rewards & recognises hierarchy from the outset. It's not corruption of an Emperor can just be an Emperor.
Jason Johnson
Say someone who haven't read The Capital.
You cannot make yourself an opinion by just reading wikipedia pages.
This is a Reddit-tier post. Are you seriously redefining "Capitalism" to mean "any economic system other than raw barter"? Well done, just erase any categorical distinction at all. >muh teenager rebellion Not an argument. And I'm in my 30s for a sample size of one. So explain yourself - what's your definition of "Capitalism" that isn't the same one OP is referring to, where its the "muh free-market of rational economic actors" meme?
Elijah Torres
well, yeah. But those 1st World nation’s are just proxies for the banks that finance them. Though your point is noted for the record and our posterity, senpai.
yo, dis nigga gets it one hunnid
dis nigga isn’t doing his job to effectively dumb down the board....let OP handle that.
Oh, and BTW - if you're referring to Marxist "modes of production" then the Socialist is indeed a separate "mode of production" to the Capitalist mode and in fact follows on from it. Which itself is separate from say the feudal mode etc. So you're wrong even by Leftard standards.
Don't disagree really. But those people were happily raping & enslaving each other before we got there. If the tables had been turned, the same thing would have happened. Might makes right ultimately. Not condoning any specific action, just pointing out that it's the inevitable result of human nature. And Cmon, you think if the Chinks or someone had got there first they'd have been more gentle? Lel, no. At least Whites have that whole guilt complex & delusion of "fairness" to prevent being even greater monsters. You all better now?
Josiah Anderson
That it is fren, that it is. Since Babylon at least, maybe Egypt or Sumeria.
Elijah Carter
Yes we know, we have central bank ponzi controlling the economy so we aren't really capitalist.
blah blah tell us something that isn't obvious. Like how to get fucking rid of it.
Not sure there’s any getting rid of it. But there are ways to mitigate its effects. As it stands, the only nation poised to make headway in that effort is unironicaly the USofA with Orange Man Bad at the helm.
Not dumb, sheltered. Most people live in a bubble created to keep them enslaved and don’t realize the things they subscribe to in that bubble are contributing to their slavery. I mean, nearly 50% of the United States voted counter to their own economical interests and now they pay the price. Will there be any lessons learned? No, the powers that be have dictated that within their bubble there are other elements at play which are the REAL reason voting their deity into office hurt instead of helped them... liberals, democrats, spooky monsters in the night. It never even occurs to people who are this ignorant that there might be an explanation that exists which is far more rational and simply not getting spoon fed to them.. but then again it’s easier to remain sheltered and believe in your gods than it is to seek the truth, which is that ALL politicians are evil and at the end of the day MONEY is what controls power, and power was what controls people. As someone said earlier, humans are the problem. Somewhere along the way some greedy fuckhole who wanted to dominate others realized he could do so by controlling resources, and now humanity is just a game for the greedy and selfish to see how many resources they can control so they can dominate others. Free market, even free will is an illusion. There are constantly forces around you trying to keep you from being rich and having power that someone else wants to maintain.
Cameron Reed
Well you got few more steps to go. Nazis were funded by (((them))) to destroy russia They've had their (((people))) in Russia (Trotsky et al) making sure soviets give up or loose all the battles. After 2 years of succeeding this plan, Stalin purged a lot of faggots and saved the situation in the last minute. They immediately dumped Hitler like a hot potato, infiltrated back into the USSR structures into sleeper mode and called up goymericans to seize at least some parts of the Europe.
