Redpill me on university degrees, I've decided to enroll but now everyone is telling me it's a meme...

Seeing as a degree is now required if you don't want to starve to death in many developed countries it is borderline immoral for a teacher to not pass students in non-essential courses.

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Why even cheat? Isn't the point to be able to expose yourself to material that will be relevant to your career? If you cheat a test on things you are expected to know in the workplace doesn't that defeat the purpose?

You pay out the nose to be trained for a bloated and dying bureaucracy in the vast majority of cases. Do whatever gets you money now and put it in crypto.

STEM or nothing. If you want in demand steady employment, go in to specialized trades. Tech school perhaps but it may be more economical to apprentice and do individual certifications rather than tech school diploma thing.

the only people saying uni is a meme, are kikes trying to lead you astray from giving yourself the best chance at life. You just need to pick the right degree that actually has value.

>get BS in Chemistry
>literally cannot even get a job as a barista
>go back to CC and get an associates in Business
>get job starting at $60k/year
Not every STEM degree is worth it.

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university is not a scam if you wish to be a doctor a nurse or a laywer as it is necessary to get a degree to become one. now with google people can teach themselves and school is pointless other than credentials to show you learned the material. you can publish instead and publishing is worth much more than a degree in my opinion. why pay to learn when you can learn from google in 2019

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It's not required, it's that people think it's required or else they are going to be poor thanks to years of being told to go to college since starting from when they were like 5.

you know, some of them actually give good advice, trades work and technician jobs are pretty easy to get into and pay good salaries, but clearly if that's not what you want to do for the next 30-40 years why even get into it?

I assume chem is the type of thing you need masters minimum if not phd.

Biology and Chemistry are probably the most fucked stem imo. Way too many people in it.

If you're paying full price,not worth it. Scholarships or other forms of discount can make it worth it

Honestly the best post in the thread. A STEM degree and even certifications in those fields are noteworthy investments.

what other options do we have to accredit our knowledge and validate our resumes?

I’ve been using apps to pass all of my math assignments. Unless you’re planning to go to Hardvard, Stanford, etc., GPA doesn’t mean anything.

This is literally the best time to get away with these things.

Other than specialised medicine related professions, nothing is good if you have a “reserach gene”. If you are an extrovert Chad or Stacey, a BA in Econ is good enough to make it big in corporates where it’s more important to play social-dynamics / politics / schmoozing / back-stabbing / influence / negotiation than intelligence.

In Medical fields DIY on these -

- Holostic GP / Clinical Nutritionist
- Clinical Psychologist
- Specilaist (can bore you after a while)
- Fertility Experts

If you want to conquer world, get an MD and MBA/CFA. You can be a GP, do a research at side and invest in BioTech as well. Of course, the cost is prohibitive, but you will not want to KYS by age 35 rotting in a corporate graveyard.

It's good if you got some kind of scholarship. Basically a vacation with bros and thots. Perhaps some future waifu.
However, if you have to pay for it anything over 30k it's a waste.
Saved tuition money will make your life prospects much better than a degree with loads of debt.

Only get a degree if there is an actual regulatory bar to entry (P. Eng, BAR, associate and charted actuaries, licenced medical practice)

If you want to be a journalist you can learn to write on your own in less than 4 years for free. If you want to be a programmer there are free guides. Etc.

One more thing, don’t waste best part of your life studying to get a paper which is just used as a screening technique. If you are smart, you can enjoy life and still find a way to hack into the “employment game”. Investment / Street-smart-learning / business skills / partner selection skills / social skills — these will make you satisfied even if you are an introvert. University is a business. Don’t take professors seriously. Even if you become next Einstein, life is not worth it if you don’t have diverse experience, away from books and papers.

>With google

Flawed way of thinking about the topic at hand. Information has become extremely vast and spread incredibly thin. Uni does a good job of steering students to relavent resources that pertains the subject as well as their level of understanding. Also most degrees assists in laying the foundation of information needed to choose whichever pathogens that field you’re interested in.

This.

I went to a good Uni, reputable degree and good professors. I'm miles ahead of my peers and UNI for me was far from a meme. Get a degree that teaches critical thinking as opposed to becoming a drone.

Education is priceless, make sure your degree is getting you one.

>a degree that teaches critical thinking

what did he mean by this

This why companies always ask applicants about design patterns and other abstract stuff during interviews for entry level software engineering jobs. Self-taught code monkeys don't get exposed to those things.

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i studied at the university of kneepads

what did they teach you that an apprenticeship couldn't?

No bullshit, after you take data structures everything else could honestly be self-taught.

what degree?

Fuck no, get out now, thank me later

Well i took ds and decided to drop out, it was actually a really cool class and i had a great prof, I just couldnt commute 3 hours a day anymore

they taught me how to get the real money after sucking a few shlongs, kneepad dropshipping

If you want to do something with your life, you need a degree. Anyone saying otherwise is cope or extreme outliers. You’re not American, but for the ones that are, go to community college first if your parents aren’t paying.

I feel the same way, a degree is kind of like a licensing exam to drive a car, you can learn how to drive a car without going to drivers ed, but you still need the license for the powers that be (major corporations, government) to trust you behind the wheel

A degree is no longer a guarantee of success like for boomers, but it is a requirement.

a degree is useful but an education and a degree are mostly mutually exclusive.

Boomer here,
Pls try to go into the working world with only a hs degree. Especially if you're an attractive female. You'll be my fuckslave forever. Hahah
Thank you for securing my job.

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what did he mean by this

A hs degree will qualify you to work retail

hmm, is he saying degrees are necessary or unnecessary

HS diploma boomer fuck-face.

BTW. Fuck you. You have not friends below your age.

Enjoy!

He is saying you’re fucked trying to get a real job without a college degree

It's like this m8
Girl of your dreams says she'll fuck you, but only if you balance a rubber duck on your head.
Ask me apropos of nothin', is balancing a duck on your head a wise thing to do?
I say no, and usually I'd be right, but here I'm wrong.
If you will be made happy and financially secure by a particular career that necessitates the completion of a tertiary education, by all means, do so without fear of memeification of your person.

Exactly.

So don't major in stupid shit.

Useful if you want to be an engineer or chemist or tenured professor. Garbage if you major in pretty much anything else.

This is untrue. You can make more money in the trades than most college grads without a degree or loans Just learn how to do something most people can’t do and then charge them a lot of money to do it.

Thanks for the insight, dude. I wasn't going to let the memes get to me anyways, but I did have some ideas of how to use the university system properly, and it seems you guys think the same. It boils down to: >will it make it easier to get hired in your field of choice?

yeah maybe you're right. The world needs ditch diggers too

>You can make more money in the trades
Do you actually believe this? Maybe if you work 80 hours a week you’ll outearn an entry level worker. In reality, you’ll make what a schoolteacher does doing backbreaking labor.

If you have a chemistry degree and you’re not making LSD and MDMA and selling it what the fuck did you even go to school for

Its worth it when you can get the desired skills or connections with a positive ROI. So pick a good school or a cheap one or somehow both. Better to pick a degree that sets you up for workforce or entrepreneurial skill alike: computer science and finance for example.

That's exactly what I'm trying to get into, and the school I want to attend has a Co-Op program.

this reads like someone not in the medical field at all. Don't listen to this faggot.

t.medfag

dunno what a co-op program is but it sounds like you're on the right track. go slay

Indeed, and I'll stress: write to actual human beings currently employed in your field of choice and ask them what opportunities they believe you should pursue. Inquiries from interested youngsters are one of the few cold-calls most professionals are happy to receive. Plenty will be happy to inform you of the specific technical education they'd like to see in future applicants, and some may even have specific organizations or extracurricular programs to recommend.

Who is everyone? A bunch of strangers on the internet? Other teenagers?

Oh, will do. Thanks a lot for this, seriously.

pretty much, i don't have the privilege of being around successful professionals.

Tradies only make money if they own their own contracting firm.

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You don't seem to know anything about trade work.

Whatever you say...

This. Maybe the top 5-10% of people in trades make what an established CPA does. However people make it seem like they are somehow cushy

Yes if you dont go into debt

Tradie here, I make reasonable money but the work makes me want to kms.

Avoid the trades if you're high IQ. The exception being if you have no idea what else you want to do. Then they make a good filler.

Then ignore them, why let a bunch of sour grapes get in the way of your real ass life decisions?

only go into CS.

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You'll just get a bunch of STEM-meme replies. I majored in accounting and am doing pretty well as a CPA.

I'm looking into getting a bachelor of business in accounting, what's it like in terms of pay and work hours? Did you go to a really prestigious school, and is there only work in the cities or can you get a cushy job somewhere else, how about remote work?

>2016 numbers
That's not valid given that the Pajeet index is growing exponentially. Even one year old data is already too old in a market like this.

I know people from Silicon Valley who lost their jobs for whatever reason (typically start-up goes down) and instead of getting a new job in the valley they got cucked and had to downgrade significantly. And remember that only those are the only guys making six figures so if the people getting experience have had to downgrade and get outside jobs then the people getting new CS degrees and have no experience will get absolutely fucked.

2016 was the peak of the CS bull-run.

Made $62k out of college. Raises were usually decent. Hours are very long in public, but most people just stay a couple of years before switching to industry and making at least $80k as a senior associate.

Accounting is cool but not everyone wants to kill themselves

It's a bad investment of your time and money. Do the math: how much could you earn in 5 years (don't kid yourself that you'll finish in 4) without a degree, and keep in mind that you'll then have 5 years of work experience under your belt and have an infinitely easier time getting hired thereafter. Also take into account living expenses and how much of your income you could invest.

Now compare that to university: 5 years of no income, 5 years of debt and interest, and no work experience. How long will it take to pay that debt off? Will you be able to find a job straight out of uni? What will your income likely be? What will your living expenses be like?

Now compare the two. And also keep in mind that you want to start a family as soon as possible so that you're not in your 60s raising teenagers. Financial security is the main excuse people use to put off marriage and starting a family.

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This. Good luck to anyone thinking entering a field that does not have some imposed barrier of entry is a good idea

I have no problem staring in front of screen crunching numbers but I want something that will get me six figures in a matter of a few years and where I can work 40 hours a week

40 hours? Become a physicians assistant

Or a nurse practitioner

>implying "cs jobs" necessarily want cs grads

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What apps?

photomath bruh

This is a really good point. To add to it, most people who go to college don't get a STEM degree or for that matter a degree that can get them a 70k+ a year job right out of college thus fucking themselves for years to come because of debt.

red pill me on a degree in math and a minor in an application like CS or finance

You can learn literally all three of those things on your own time for free. Just get an entry level job at a bank, study on your own time for a year or two, and then climb the corporate ladder until they offer to pay for your degree for you so that you can promote further up into middle management.

>pay for your degree
what kind of degrees do banks pay for typically?

Bachelors probably finance or any other business degree, and probably also an MBA if you're going to continue moving up the chain. The important thing isn't what you study, it's what you pay for it, both in time and money. You want the bank to pay for it while you're working for them, so that you continue to get years of work experience and salary while you're studying.

I don't recommend a degree in math unless you really autistically like math, and even then you can just study math on your own better than going to a class where 90% of your class doesn't also autistically like math that way.

Anyone with a cs degree, us citizenship, and a clean polygraph is set for exorbitantly paid gov contractor work