Thinkers

ah the hardcore lefty who pretends he is richer than everybody. How has it been?

I'm neither left nor right both sides are full of it. Capitalism won because it recognizes the individual. Deal with it.

Thinking of someone else then. There is a lefty that frequents these types of threads and pretends he is richer than everybody.

Just deal with the system you're in. You're right it's shit and some are more equal than others. It's a fraud and corrupted. So exploit it. Exploit it to the best of your ability. Take advantage of everything. Abuse every loophole there is.

You damned retards, fascism, national socialism and even russian communism (check new economic policy) are all capitalism.

>capitalism recognize the individual

It steals lifetime from all the wagies. It is litteral robbery of your life.

cant help useless brainlet neets leftwing faggots crying for more free stuff. Be happy you have what to eat and can access the internet. Any other society would put you to death for being a literal cancer to the society.

People ITT making general statements about capitalism...
You realize trading a fucking pelt for beads in 30000 BC was capitalism right?

You realize you criticize it without an alternative that isn't equally likely to produce suffering?
People will always seek absolute power, capitalism doesn't always succeed at keeping that in check (Bezos), but collective action and centralization of power/resources succeeds even less (no shit)

This is coming from an FDR progressive

This is actually accurate. Fascism is closer to what the Framers were trying to achieve (remember they admired the ancient Romans). However their government too was susceptible to corruption and when the ethnic composition of the country became polluted, the Federal government was overrun by Jews and their collaborators. Now we’re told there’s no going back, that’s actually true, but that doesn’t mean the future is going to be what the liberals want.

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Cause you're not doing anything with your life. You like to listen and do as told. That's what you get in capitalism. But if you want something else than that you have all the resources to do it.

fascism is basically feudalism with a modern facelift where instead of birth in theory merit would determine ones class and station. in practice however... yeah.

Legit though, National Socialism is probably the only form that could work in the long-term. Have a strong group identity to inspire and aspire to seems to be key to having a healthy nation. Nobody even actually agrees on what it means to be "American" anymore.

Splitting us all into easily ruled tribes is all well and good for the elites, but it does terrible things to the kind of national unity that took us to the moon. It's a shame that Hitler ruined it's image with the whole autistic "invade Russia and bring me a new superweapon every month" thing. Now we only have INTERnational Socialism (Communism) and that's just an easier way to drag everyone down to the lowest common denominator.

Civil war now. Let's Balkanize and get it over with so that I can at least live my twilight years in a true Paradise, and not this multi-ethnic/cultural/gendered/whatever Hellscape we currently exist in.

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>took us to the moon
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You are so far from the truth in not one but many of your statement i won't even answer you.

If you want to learn it's here. Just use the internet, your mouse and keyboard.

Sounds about right to me, but what do I know. At least it all sounds reasonable.

What is global socialism then?

I've been thinking about this at a smaller scale lately, I can only compare it to office politics. In a tribalistic sense though. Any ideas there? I find the hierarchy and structure of old organisations sometimes leads to protective and narrow behaviour, in the same way macro politics/economics does.

lolz nice edits

it isnt reasonable its a corrupt system with no equality before law where unless you are born to the right place you can and will be treated like trash and where inbred imbeciles lord over you.

nice retort you fucking brainlet

why are lefties always so cringey

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This is the truth, but what do academics feel follows in this societal optimisation? Assuming we're on a path of optimisation... I'm sure we're just as likely going to collapse. And if it's cyclical, do we return to war? What does war look like at a modern tribalistic micro scale? Lot's of questions for you all.

What if you're born in the wrong place and an inbred imbecile, do you deserve anything? You're right though, it's unreasonable. Class based on pure merit is better than merit + heritage or family or networks. But then I wonder what is merit, like that video above, is merit virtue or politics clout? Maybe just general capability regardless of ethics.

>You realize trading a fucking pelt for beads in 30000 BC was capitalism right?

I'm not debating shit like that.

You guys are 20 something kids thinking you know anything. Go back read the books or at least read the wikipedia pages about a subject, or go back playing fortnite, it's easier.

The truth is that leftism is a religion, and like other religions, the zealot cannot engage a discussion with you unless you already accept the premises of their position.

If you take a different perspective on the facts, none of their programmed responses hold any water and they are left only with the option to retreat from discussion.

yeah that is why capitalism is a 100 times more of a meritocracy than fascism. altho almost all political systems share the basic human tendency for corruption and protectionism and inherited wealth and status. in capitalism tho this wealth and status is quickly lost by imbeciles.

Leftism has nothing to do with real marxism.

But i understand that in order to realize that you have to read Marx. Oh shit. Better continue to reason with shortcuts, it's way easier.

When you work for a company, it takes away a percentage of your lifetime, your lifeforce. In a lifetime, you will work the majority of the time not for yourself, but for a company. Indeed you will create more profit, more wealth, for them than they'll redistribute to you in the form of wages. You literally give them away 20 or 30 years of your life.

Take that as a programmed response without any water.

socialism and communism are retarded and capitalism is the only way to ensure efficient use of resources

read Thomas Sowell's Basic Economics, Adam Smith's Wealth of Nations and Milton Friedman's Capitalism and Freedom

unless you understand economics as provided in those books, you're just an idealist ignoring reality

>That's not real marxism
>This is an original, unprogrammed response

>but when you work for them, they profit off of your labor
so don't work for them.

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Capitalism is efficient, but it fucks up humans and nature.

What's more, like slavory and feudalism, it is a system were a small caste take away surplus labor from the workers.

You accept this shit as legit, i don't.

If you are on the right side, the 1%, capitalism can be very nice. If not, you are literally giving your life away for someone else.

Wait till the masses understand the true nature of capitalism. and it won't last long.

You meant to say in western capitalism this wealth is almost always stolen by jews via jewish controlled banking and capital markets, combined with organized crime operating in the american legal system

Localized communism with interconnected chainlink markets to signal the demand for resources when?

>optimization
That has been discussed quite a bit.
Socialism is a poorly optimized system when compared to capitalism. Inequality exists in all systems but some systems have better opportunities for all. Capitalism gives better opportunity.

Here's a longer clip with more debate
youtu.be/-_gU50mfehI

Nobody said anything about 'cyclicality of returning to war'. Dont know where you got that, fren

Based Milton

"We've all been raised on television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires, and movie gods, and rock stars, but we won't."

At last someone smart one these threads.

Althought it can be chainlink, or probably an other technology or coin.

What you fail to recognize is that it's possible for both the capitalist and the laborer to come away from the transaction richer than they went into it.

The laborer makes more wealth than he could make on his own.
The capitalist makes more wealth than he could make on his own.

Your false concept that capitalists "steal" the surplus labor is blinding you from seeing this other possibility.
BOTH parties can win when there's an agreement on the terms of the contract.

You just explained any system but capitalism. Capitalism is the ONLY system where you're allowed to go out and do whatever you dare to do to make a living. In every other system you belong to the government.

capitalists are stealing the surplus labor. there is no reason for them to exist other than as signalling mechanism. the existence of capitalists is a sign of inefficiency in the markets, i can't wait for chainlink to BTFO you capitalist retards.

That's ridiculous, of course we will. It's called being 60. The elderly in commie systems are fucked, the elderly in capitalism have saved up enough to live incredibly well. You people arent "temporarily embarrassed millionaires" you're just YOUNG. You're comparing yourself to people who have worked and saved and invested for decades longer.

Capitalists are the people who decide which businesses/factories exist in the world.

Who will do that when you btfo the capitalists?

exactly, you only need capitalists to signal for these systems. when you have transparent and accessible information for the markets, then any retard can do the same job that capitalists are doing right now.

There is basically no better organized and sturdy but yet more corrupt regime than the one Germany had during WW2.

Look it up - under the Nazi party, corruption went bonkers the same way as the number of government officials. Basically everyone was working for the government and accepted bribes back then.

>then any retard can do the same job
I'm not of the opinion that a capitalist has to be smart.

But as long as people are controlling how they spend money, there's going to be some risk associated with building a new business. That means you need to have somebody risking their capital.

Capitalism ensure that it will always pays the minimum wages to workers by importing workforce from elsewhere. Like it did in the end of the 19th century in England by important workforce in the city factory from the overpopulated countryside, litterally killing the surplus of population in factories.

Currently it take the form of mass immigration in Europe from Africa, and latino immigration in the US.

If the capitalist feels he pays the worker too much, he just import poor people from somewhere else.

For 98% of human history we existed without any government.

Why am i feeling that i always have to teach you something? That you guys lack fundamental knowledge about our history? Is it that hard to be a little curious?

Fascism is super dank

So if we blocked all immigration and put in some anti-globalist trade policies, then would you be fine with capitalism?

>it is robbery of your life
>t. pathetic Norwegian that pays so much taxes his government maintains a surplus valued at $195,000 usd per person his government will never provide services with and he'll never be able to access directly himself

lmaoing @ ur life, Lärs

the risk is only there because we don't have enough information about profit margins, liquidity and so on until we actually do the business and compete against other entities with far more information about these important metrics. capitalists are only exists to obfuscate and crush the competitors with these information.

for example, runescape is super easy to get rich because the markets is very accessible for anyone to participate in, and it's quite clear which activities are worth your time to do.

>the risk is only there because we don't have enough information about profit margins,
Yea, but ultimately, in the real world this information is fundamentally unknowable.

Nobody can predict the future of what people will want to buy. Fads come and go. People's desires, and thus the markets, can change on a dime.
There will always be uncertainty about future events, and thus there will always be risks associated with building a business.

So the question is: who is going to be taking responsibility for covering that risk?

Would be better, but your boss will still give you back (wages) less wealth than you create for him.

In any case, what you propose is a political solution. A good system has to work without politics. In the end, politic is an illusion, and doesn't work. It is just something to reassure people, to make them believe that they are in charge, when in fact, it is mostly the mode of production that define the living conditions.

>So the question is: who is going to be taking responsibility for covering that risk?

Pretty easy to answer: the community.

kek at commies acting like modern liberal society is a bad thing. member the 100's of millions of slaves you worked to death, scumbag? The famines you caused? The 25% of all nuclear fallout on earth you caused with one fucking bomb?

The highest living standards for the most people, in history, isn't a bad score for "capitalism"

we just need to quantify everything. there's a reason that majority of farmers farm corn, wheat, and onions. they have clear markets where they can easily hedge their risks and protect themselves. the problem is that, we have only marketize a small fraction of all the commodities in the world.

>politic is an illusion, and doesn't work.
Well, economic structures are part of politics, and therefore are also illusory.

The mode of production is determined by the politics of the region.

>the community
How is the community going to decide what business to build next?
What if half the group wants to build a shopping mall and the other half wants a rug factory. And each side hates the others' idea.
There's only enough capital to cover one of them. Who wins?

>always pays the minimum wages to workers

hence its the reason why it is the MOST efficient at allocating resources. but unlike socialism and communism, you can move up in capitalism (and not need to murder, steal or infringe on another's rights to do so)

stay cucked socialist

you can allocate resources without capitalists when capitalism get efficient enough to do so. get fucked capitalist cucks.

whooaa man that's so deep, keep fighting the power

This is so retarded

the most popular cliche for attracting teenagers and losers to communism

>CEO for a company with 2 million enployees makes $10 million annual salary
>"Oy vey working class goy, can't you see this gentile is cheating you out of 5 whole dollars a year that rightly belongs to you? Better give absolute economic power and authority to me and (((my friends))) instead. We'll protect you from such obvious exploitation by implementing exploitative legislation and regulations that are subtler and more intractable instead."

Are you an enlightened centrist? The right is religious af.

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get off my lawn

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>The mode of production is determined by the politics of the region.

Nop. It is not politics that determine the mode of production, but the mode of production which determine politics. For example, in the end of feudalism, most of society was already functioning with capitalism, even if the official mode of production was feudalism.

In any case, capitalism is currently the mode of production of the vast majority of the world. Exception might be the last primitive tribes or some last countries under feudalism or slavory.

Early western capitalism was an advanced form of feudalism known as the nation state.

Vegetables have no nutritional value and are gay, this is probably the closest thing to a prudent investment the federal government has ever made lmoa

>Vegetables have no nutritional value
Haha I love this place, you can find someone who believes anything you can imagine.

being connected or attached to the emotionally dysregulated makes you addicted to the rush.

it is vital to police your contacts if they aren’t up to your standards.

>what is hyperbole

Get a sense of humor nigga

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In capitalism with the right skills you get to be the boot. Work hard and become the boot comrade