600k+ new active users in 2 months

Honestly .20-.50 Sounds about right. How much are you actually going to pay a customer to watch a 2 minute ad?

How else did you expect them to raise capital? It was not, and never will be, decentralized.

Your welcome brendan

And also eth and other decentralized coins are even scammier than Brave, so nice comparision there.

It's revolutionary if you're 13 years old and don't know anything about actually doing business.

Companies will NEVER throw their subscription model under the bus in exchange for "micro-transactions" in BAT tokens. Do you realize how stupid you sound?

If you actually think that people using the internet want to pay a micro-transaction to access content on the internet, as opposed to seeing advertisements - you are a imbecile.

This is "Paid to Surf" 2.0 and it's a fucking joke. Furthermore - if it reaches any scale whatsoever, BAT/BRAVE will be on the receiving end of a massive class action that will include almost every media company.

How do you think website owners will respond when BAT/Brave attempts to hijack their revenue by injecting third party ads in place of the ads they themselves installed... or are they backing away from ad injection now that they received cease and desist?

Literally a Paid to Surf ad injection scam that is going to get lumped in as ADWARE because it modifies the source code of the pages it views to inject it's own bullshit. There are already dozens of companies with horrible reputations that do this already. They are called adware companies. 50onRed, TrafficVance, LeadImpact, Rapsio, Advertise.com - and about 100 more. I can't fucking wait until ads go live... it's going to be a shitstorm of disappointment.

well they can just eat my multiple ad blockers then
only boomers don't use them

>Musicians will NEVER throw their CD model under the bus in exchange for "mp3s" in iTunes. Do you realize how stupid you sound?
>a imbecile

Weak bait. Try harder bud.

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>Companies will NEVER throw their subscription model under the bus

Because thats been working so well? Shall I post all the lay-offs at digital content creators sites because they can't afford staff?

Bittube master race
Got £3 worth of Bittube in a month

Why not stack Bittube with Brave ads + payments? Could get £6 per month.

>i-it’s illegal!
>th-they’ll get sued!

the absolute state of Jow Forums LMFAO

Why do they have to throw anything under the bus? Can't they use Brave and Patreon or whatever?

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This. Something like BAT is a natural compromise in an otherwise unsustainable situation.

I use the Brave browser but their token economy is retarded and I will never hold BAT. Everything BAT wants to do Bitcoin Layer 2 is going to do better and be more decentralized and secure. give Lightning Network a few years and you'll see I am right. I'll still use the Brave browser, just with a LN extension.

Lmao you NPCs all say the same thing. While you are still trying to convince people to even figure out what the lightning network is in 3 years, Brave will already have 100M+ users. Try harder bud.

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I think the smartest play by Brave is that they want to integrate BAT in a way that hides any trace of "cryptocurrency".

If all goes as planned, Normies won't even know they're using a cryptocurrency. It'll just be a way for them to seamlessly donate to their favorite Youtuber or Twitch streamer or whatever, or use their internet points to pay for a pay-walled article, or other online transactions.

That is the genius of Brendan Eich. He's not just a goofy tech guy - he understands what Normies want out of their internet. He knows they don't want to be fucking around with wallets and codes and permanently losing currency they accidentally sent to the wrong address. He knows advertisers don't want to (directly) fuck with cryptocurrency whatsoever. He already foresaw all that and that's why Brave/BAT is genius.

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you call me the NPC but you hold thousands of dollars of the Brave browser equivalent of Twitch.tv Bits. You aren't self-aware enough to realize why that's a shitty idea.

Kek at least I'm aware enough to realize you have no clue what you are talking about.

"lightning will be ready for widespread consumer rollout in 2 years!!!"

>bitcoin has been around for 10 years
>lignting doesnt even work yet
>brave barely works and its been out for 3 years

yeah surely lightning is going to beat bat to the punch

Surely they will beat Peter Thiel, Naval Ravikant, Brendan Eich, and Coinbase.

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As someone intimately acquainted with ad fraud and what companies pay for shit (after those ad dollars go through at the minimum 4 or 5 hands), they pay approximately $1 for an email address.

Again, that's after 4 or 5 companies have had their bite at that transaction.

true, I might do that

>600k+ new active users in 2 months
That's pretty neat; I've just switched from Google Chrome to Brave last week because I finally decided I've had enough with Google's bullshit. I don't really care much for the BAT token though, all I want is a browser that doesn't belong to a corrupt organization

>Brave will already have 100M+ users.
I use Brave all the time. I have no interest in BAT and will never ever sign up to their weird pennies for ads scheme.

BAT isn't for you to make pennies, it's for everyone to support content creators in an uncensorable way.

People throw shit under the bus all the time if something provably better comes along. This is an experiment and we just have to wait and see. Also paid to surf was actually really successful, but it failed because the dot com bubble bursted and internet advertising plummeted. This is no longer the case and the tech/ecosystem of insane digital advertising is ripe for this shit.

Uh oh, looks like you haven't been following the narrative...

>sign up

kek

You'll end up using BAT. Everyone on Brave will. It'll be as easy as clicking a button on/off.

>do I feel like leisurely browsing with an ad every 10 minutes, and a few BAT straight into my wallet?
click
>do I want to get to work and not see any ads at all?
click

it's that simple. Sure, you won't keep Ads on. Maybe you'll have them off the majority of the time. But you'll end up using BAT.

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download speeds were also like 8 bytes a second back then too and you had to pay per minute to surf. gee i wonder why it didnt work back then.

> It'll be as easy as clicking a button on/off.
The "button" will start off, and stay off for ever.
>do I feel like leisurely browsing with an ad every 10 minutes, and a few BAT straight into my wallet?
I don't. Ever.

Yeah and everyone will be exactly like you, right you conservatard faggot with no ability to empathize or see outside of your single digit IQ scope?

>Earn BAT
>Go to cash out
>question appears
>Do you want to cash out into paypal or exchange for a different cryptocurrency?
>option 2 selected
>please choose a cryptocurrency from the list below
>BTC, ETH, USDC etc.

Revolutions rarely start from the top down.

uh, what? You can easily cash out via Uphold or Coinbase, and Brave is planning on implementing a way to buy BAT directly in the browser. I don't understand what you're trying to say.

What narrative is that?

Most people have exactly the same view of ads I do. Normal people hate ads. You would have to be in abject poverty to volunteer for ad pennies.

thats how the gaming industry works now and its an incredibly profitable model you goddamn idiot

"give lightning network a few years"
by that time brave and BAT will be so widely used that your grandpacoin will never catch up. grandpa btc needs to understand his place as a store of value. nobody will ever use btc for microtransactions or fast payments.

That browser was shilled so much in the last few months

Future scenerio:
>Have Brave ads running
>Get an ad for the latest Gods Unchained card expansion
>See people have been making a ton of money trading GU cards
>See that GU now accepts BAT as payment for cards
>Blow all of the BAT I earn for the next month on GU cards
Before long the whole internet will be using dapps as payment for their services, and BAT will be what everyone has.

BAT will make it so that you can for example read an article on a news site for half a penny instead of paying them $30 per month for a subscription. it could also be incorporated into video streaming platforms like netflix and hulu where you pay fractions of pennies to get access to a show. BAT's going to be huge. there is literally unironically zero legit FUD against BAT

ads are always going to be a part of business. would you rather continue with grandpa style subscription models that nobody uses and sites telling you to turn off your adblocker to view the content or do you want sites to charge you a fraction of a penny in BAT and open up the article to you with zero ads whatsoever.

>sites telling you to turn off your adblocker to view the content
That mechanism will go eventually. Adblockers always catch up.
>do you want sites to charge you a fraction of a penny in BAT and open up the article to you with zero ads whatsoever.
So defacto anyone who doesn't hold BAT won't be able to view your site? You think this will happen in a world where companies spend hundreds of USD to GET users? That they will voluntarily exclude most of the world? No.

>no one wants to watch ads
>but no one wants to pay for content

Sounds like a new paradigm is needed huh?

>Sounds like a new paradigm is needed
People will pay for content. Not ads. See: spotify.

BAT is just another currency. brave browser will most likely have a one click way to convert usd into BAT. im telling you this is the way of the future. the music and gaming industry has already gone the way of micropayments and internet commerce will go the way of micropayments too. the facts are there more and more people continue to adopt the brave browser. that tells you that people want something like brave and BAT. people dont want their data harvested. brave/BAT is probably too hard for boomers and old people but its the perfect millenial npc trap

people buy hulu and spotify premium to get out of ads...so they definitely will buy BAT to get out of website ads and to get their unlimited access to the premium content. the fact that BAT makes it so that a company cannot harvest your data without compensation makes it even sweeter of a deal

Why should advertisers pay you and me and not the site? If ads are paying you and me, then sites have no initiative to show ads. And if you and me are getting "pennies", that means that site with ads is losing profits.

Ad blocker is something only a small percentage of people use. Even I am getting annoyed by the constant "Please turn off ad blocker too see this" warnings and have mostly my ad blocker off.

I like that Brave isnt google so in that regards Im willing to switch.

Also metamask is fucked up on my chrome so I can only use it on brave.

>more and more people continue to adopt the brave browser. that tells you that people want something like brave and BAT
I use Brave all the time. I definitely do not want BAT.
>they definitely will buy BAT to get out of website ads
Brave blocks ads by default, you don't need BAT for that.

hypothetically:
>advertiser pays website $1
>website gets 90 cents you and me get 10 cents
>you and me get compensated for our data and browsing habits
>advertiser makes a sale off of the ad. every single party got paid. site, you and me, advertiser.

you fail to understand that what YOU want and what YOU think has nothing to do with what the normies think. you really think some millenial isnt going to be like "yeah fuck it ill get paid to watch ads its easy and i can keep smoking weed and doing nothing lol" you have to think in terms of a normie bluepill not a redpill. normie bluepills think very simplistically. all someone would have to do is simply say this "BAT pays you in exchange for your attention and it compensates you for your data, unlike facebook and google"

people have no clue how to install a browser
assuming random people will install brave to get 10 pennies is insane
me and you will install it
some tech geeks will install it
people who fall for "OMG YOU GET PAYED TO SURF" will install it

aand congrats. you have a browser that has 0.001% of the market

>you really think some millenial isnt going to be like "yeah fuck it ill get paid to watch ads
I'm a bluepilled normie millenial and I would never think that. The target audience is 3rd world Brazilians who have no purchasing power.

lmao dude. the boomers are dying off. this world belongs to gen x and millenials now. and what is the best thing about these two generations? thats right, we all grew up in the information and technology era, which means that all of us know how to install an internet browser.

your line of thinking is so constrained and i urge you to open your mind and start thinking about the way the future is going and think about general opinion about data harvesting practices then you will understand why holding BAT for the future is a genius level move

Fucking millennial. Kek

So, what's your argument gWpvcw+O? You don't seem to have one...

Yeah, good stuff

So let's clear some things up for people who are confused:

>Current paradigm - people don't want to watch ads
>Also people don't want to pay for content

This means advertisers, publishers and websites lose because they have no way to monetize their product. Consumers lose because their favorite products aren't financially sustainable, and their data is harvested for free by corporations (facebook , google, etc...)

Enter Brave

Brave allows for consumers to be paid cryptocurrency in return for their attention (basically viewership statistics, data, etc). Websites win because they get a cut of ad revenue. Advertisers win because people are now actually viewing their ads because they have a financial incentive to do so (approx 25-50 cent per ad). Consumers win because they are making money, supporting publishers they actually like, and watching ads that are relevant to them. The brave browser is also pretty slick, it saves users time and money by blocking legacy ads and spyware.

Also, if people think normies wont eventually adopt Brave simply because they are tech illiterate, is retarded, because by that logic, everyone on Earth should still be using Netscape and Internet Explorer. Even fucking normies use Chrome and Firefox, and if Brave eventually deploys Chrome extensions, it's GG to traditional advertising.

Prove me wrong on any point, I'm eager to hear your arguments.

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>prove me wrong
Nobody is going to pay a pajeet 25 cents to watch an ad.

How many millions do corporations spend on ads that are blocked by ad blockers?

You do realize this makes advertisers lose money, right?

every coin or token can be integrated, brainlet.

youtube.com/watch?v=kBbdajdNZzE

pic related could be relevant, not a shill

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>Nobody is going to pay a pajeet 25 cents to watch an ad.
Could pay them based on which country they're visiting from, unless Brave is against that. Give them a penny.

Nobody is going to pay shitskins 25 cents per ad they watch.

If Brave figures out how to track high value customers(people who tend to buy things they are shown) and deliver ads to them, then I could see that person earning 25 cents a few times an hour for watching an add.

Not everyone. Not everywhere. Not unlimited times per day. The math doesn't add up.

Everyone obsessing over the details of ad payments is missing the bigger picture. Paywalls and premium content is how BAT will unlock the next web.

Brave has a partnership with Metamask, they are building and ETH wallet that will tie (most) of those together so Web 3 can move forward.
Pointing out Steem, they have built some nice dapps, but ETH has allot more 'things' in development that Steem would have to be able to integrate with to stay relevant.

>He thinks publishers will capitulate to Brave's gun to their heads
More likely they will sue Brave into the ground and big them down in a legal mire for a decade while jewgle builds and deploys something similar but with a botnet built in.

youtube.com/watch?v=xAuPpNjxApo

I am using Brave on mobile and I like the concept of BAT.
But will advertisers flavor non-personalized ad, compared to what they have now?

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>Nobody is going to pay shitskins 25 cents per ad they watch.

How many times do I have to tell you this isn't how it works you stupid fucking brainlet, LMFAO

Goddamn you're fucking dumb. You literally have a pebble for a brain.

It's funny to watch people who have no understanding of advertising speculate about bat/brave.

Here's a clue - Advertisers almost NEVER lose money. Most advertising is performance based. If an advertiser is going backwards, they will simply stop advertising. If enough advertisers can't make a profit - the cost of the ad inventory will drop and drop and drop until advertisers can back out at a profit. Simply put - not all content is valuable to advertisers, even if it is valuable to readers. Buying ads on a website about Mesothelioma would cost substantially more than buying ads on a website about the mating habits of ants. This problem is already solved by the existing advertising marketplace, which works on supply and demand, in an auction style system.

The fact that some of you are so delusional that you think a BROWSER is going to usurp Google Advertising, Bing Advertising, Native Advertising, Traditional CPM advertising - and a host of other long proven advertising methods - and that Google is just going to sit idly by while Brave blocks all of their ads.

Do you honestly think that Google would allow Brave to take over their strangle-hold on internet supremacy? Google could launch a fucking token micropayment system Chrome in the blink of an eye and then how much would a BAT token be worth?! And google wouldn't make it some cryptic fucking coin that normies don't understand, they would make it a stablecoin for their native currency. How retarded do you BAT maximalist fags look now?

stop loss none buy up to 4 dollars. target price 420. btw i actually just uninstalled brave b/c it was trying to update in the background.

>advertisers almost never lose money

hbr.org/2015/08/ad-blockings-unintended-consequences

mashable.com/2015/08/31/ad-block/#ggVNjWWppGqH

cjr.org/business_of_news/will_ad_blockers_kill_the_digital_media_industry.php

>hbr.org/2015/08/ad-blockings-unintended-consequences

This article is not about advertisers losing money. It is about PUBLISHERS losing money fucking idiot. Advertisers don't lose money when ads are blocked. They just have less advertising inventory to buy from. Wow, you're stupid, congratulations - you don't know anything about advertising.

>mashable.com/2015/08/31/ad-block/#ggVNjWWppGqH

Again - this highlights your lack of understanding about how ADVERTISERS are NOT LOSING MONEY. It just shrinks ad inventory, but it doesn't make them run at a LOSS. If an advertiser is losing money, the ad stops running. Why would they advertise at a loss? Why are you pretending to know more than you do?

Your third link was also shit along the same lines - and ALL OF THESE ARTICLES WERE 4-5 years old and HERE I AM STILL ADVERTISING, MAKING MORE MONEY EVERY SINGLE YEAR.

Pic related, you complete fucking idiot.

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if Google is adopting the same model, wouldn't that mean it's being threatened and the model is sound?

I'm curious how will BAT do the pricing as well. An ad in India sure isn't as valuable as in Switzerland.

any charge for any article at all and nobody is going to buy it you absolute dumbfuck. people click away. and nobody will watch ads all the time to save up for reading shitty clickbait articles. how stupid are BAT holders?

Google isn't adopting the same model. I'm saying that if they were worried that BAT was truly a new paradigm, they could push out an update to Chrome with micropayments tied to a stablecoin and Brave would be DOA.

Bat will never be over $1, that's literally by design.

HEY fuck you nigger

Not everyone is an insufferable autistic faggot like you fucking gay nigger, kys.

>pic related
>posts google

theguardian.com/technology/2018/jan/09/apple-tracking-block-costs-advertising-companies-millions-dollars-criteo-web-browser-safari

inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/google-and-facebook-now-make-more-from-ads-than-every-newspaper-magazine-and-rad.html

techcrunch.com/2013/07/06/google-and-others-reportedly-pay-adblock-plus-to-show-you-ads-anyway/

If google can sue Brave why wouldn't they have done the same to ad block extension publishers? They don't have a case lol

Oh you mean loot box gambling which will be outlawed by the FTC in the next few years. Okay

Big tech is interested in harvesting data from the third world. Facebook built a fucking airplane that beams free internet to Sub saharan Africa. They want the data, because it is valuable. You’re such a retarded racist you don’t even see the market opportunities here. Brave can capitalize on this new frontier just like Facebook.

Bro, if no one is watching your ad, why does it matter? You are losing money if you are paying for an ad that people are blocking.

Brave is shit, redpill piece of shit

Don't you realize that Google is the middleman and on the other side of those revenue gains are revenue gains for advertisers utilizing Google ads? Oh you didn't think that far ahead did you? That's not surprising. How's BAT doing today anyways?

No he did not mean that at all...

Spends money on ad to be posted on website

No one looks at ad because they use adblocks

Ad was waste of time and money

You argue it wasn’t

You are massively retarded mate

is this the intellectual power of BAT holders?

If nobody sees your ad you don't pay for it. Advertisers don't pay when their ad isn't viewed. Also most advertising is done on a pay-per-click model these days. Only big Brand advertisers give a shit about impression based marketing, and even they don't pay for impressions that are blocked.

Not an argument

Also, other thing people aren’t taking into account is BAT tracks viewing data and other marketing metrics that current ads are incapable of doing because they don’t leverage blockchain tech to record data flows.