Hey Jow Forums. I'm a project manager in the US with a degree in fire fighting and fire inspections. I've recently found out my company has been knowingly been labeling products with false fire ratings.
I reached out the the Consumer Protection Bureau, the NFPA, and even the Better Business Bureau as a last resort. They've informed me that unless there's a reported injury or I hire a lawyer, nothing will come of it. Companies that falsify things like fire information don't ever get inspected or fined unless there's a personal injury or death involved.
What's to stop pretty much every other company from doing this?
Nothing. There's shit like this everywhere, you aren't really safe from many things, they are not regulated and thus not inspected. Which is totally an awesome thought
John Collins
If you really want to make a big stink about this, find the biggest newspaper within 500 miles and tell them about it. Journalism stopped child labor in the US, not the regulatory agencies.
Jack Adams
>I'm a project manager in the US with a degree in fire fighting and fire inspections. >a degree in fire fighting and fire inspections. Is this the power of Americans? I mean no offense guys but I've read stories about people with a degree in Literature and classical dance from the 16th century and I thought they were joking but they weren't.
Why do you guys get In debt for life to pay for these degrees????!!!
Clownworld is no joke...
Jace Rogers
The US outsourced training for jobs to schools and charged for it.
It was basically an EMT course wrapped with cool firefighting stuff. I taught three of the science classes. Neat until you run in an ambulance to help those that wouldn't help themselves.
Angel Davis
Are you stupid? Fire science is actually a legitimate college degree. City firefighters with a degree like OP’s make $150k+ easy
Kevin Gray
The debt thing is true, but you have to be pretty retarded to think there isn't a science and method to extinguishing large scales fires. What do you think, you just throw a little bit of water on it wherever you please and the building is safe? Autism is a real disease
Carter Rodriguez
Honestly, I was told by every instructor to use "Big fire big water" or "Put the wet stuff on the red stuff." I was happy to teach the chemistry and physics of what's happening to everyone. Fire fighting and the real science behind it is a truly unappreciated art.
Robert Moore
Project Management, you actually trained for that? Or is your project management experience telling someone else that they need to drag a hose to a hydrant and then radio another person to hook it up for them.
Elijah Gonzalez
Intersting thread OP, we are going through something very similar here in Australia. We have had a major construction boom in Sydney and Melbourne over the past 8 years, and starting about 3 years ago several of the newer buildings caught fire. It was then discovered that the developers of the majoritiy of these new apartment buildings had been using cheap and highly flammable cladding (I think it's called siding in the US?) imported from China
Huge construction companies have gone bankrupt over this but the government is insisting the buildings still have to be made safe at the occupant's expense. This is costing most affected apartment owners around $100k AUD. The government has had to set up a loan scheme where they loan lump sums to the Strata Corporations who manage the buidlings (like a resident's co-op or HOA) to pay for the work mortgaged against the apartments themselves. It is thought thousands of buildings have been affected.
Robert Fisher
Before firefighting, I was getting a bachelor's in mechanical engineering and wanted a masters in project management. I interned for a few construction sites and was an acting foreman for two of them during my senior year. Then left the program with a kick ass resume to pursue firefighting.
Hated taking care of dipshits, and got a job in project management. Still have a degree, so they were none the wiser.
Jonathan Jenkins
>being this retarded It's most likely a baseline science degree with those double majors. Yes there's a science to fire management.
Nathan James
I hope you guys are joking, I don't know if you guys are messing with me or what's up?
In my country the science to figure out how to extinguish fires is done by chemical engineers or mechanical engineers with masters/diplomates on combustion reactions. Then the grunt work is done by fire dept. on helicopters.
I hope you guys are just kidding...
Dominic Edwards
It's cool that you know the science behind the process, that'll put you years ahead of your competition.
You probably already know about it, but we have polymers capable or extinguishing massive fires in mere seconds but they're extremely costly at mass scale.
Aiden Fisher
>Yes there's a science to fire management. I know there's a science to it. Just pointing out that you guys have some ridiculous degrees.
I probably touched a soft point in some of you. Please move on big boy, response was directed at OP.
Aiden Parker
Think for a minute here, seriously. A fire inspection company is going to go gush over someone with a fire science degree to add a sense of legitimacy to the company. With your background as an engi that's a huge bonus. Your gonna be the fall guy when shit goes tires up in the ditch gor the company. The truth will out as they say about their subpar products.
Mason Williams
>chinks immigrate to Australia, drive up property prices, then burn to death in their overpriced apartments due to shoddy construction materials sold by other chinks Pottery
Evan Lopez
Everyone hates inspectors and rules, people just want to cut corners and make money. Is this your first rodeo, op?
Leo Hall
If you know something you probably have a responsibility to do something. I know it may affect your job, but try to stay anonymous.
Gabriel Jones
>In my country the science to figure out how to extinguish fires is done by chemical engineers or mechanical engineers with masters/diplomates on combustion reactions. Then the grunt work is done by fire dept. on helicopters
Ok genius. Who do you think manages that big crew of firefighters attacking the wildfire by helicopter, truck, and on foot? Who maps out the location and topographical features of the terrain where the fire is burning, and is able to identify hazardous areas and predict future fire behavior? Who plans and orchestrates the actual attack which is carried out by hundreds of firefighter personnel, and who manages all those resources? A chemical engineer? A fucking mechanical engineer? What the fuck are they gonna be useful for? Here’s how the real world works. Firefighters who have a fire science degree are the ones who do everything listed above
Christopher Howard
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Chase Barnes
look for a state-level official. your state attorney general may sometimes take up consumer protection lawsuits, or there may be a department that is more focused on it.
i work in finance and a couple of times a year i get pitched a ponzi scheme - when i report it to the SEC, they usually refer me to a state securities regulator that is working on it.
