Biz why the fuck is it that when going for a job, employers think it’s the worst thing to ask what the job pays...

I would go for it. no point in wasting your time when the job requirements are a mile long. Ask for a salary range or just outright say what youre looking for.
its not like they can turn you down easily

It's an old boomer-era thing that still lingers today. I think the idea is that you're supposed to be "enthusiastic" about getting the job, so just saying "I want to work here because I want to make money" is a big red flag to them. Obviously the notion is completely retarded now since the economy is rather tight and the idea that your employer will be loyal to you is a complete joke, but old habits die hard.

I remember going to a job interview recently and asking what they pay would be, and the boomer interviewing me (the branch manager) said "we don't discuss salary with potential candidates". This was in spite of the fact that the HR screening questionnaire included the question "what are your salary expectations?". I still got a second interview, so it might not have been a big issue.

I actually believe this because I have been in the same situation when I was younger and about the same age. I was on more then some older people who would come in and also getting more than some of the drift wood that have been there for longer but just float by doing their thing for less. But I honestly don’t agree with any boss telling me I can’t discuss pay with other employees, where my wife works they make her sign a contract to say you won’t talk about it. Also I have had bosses try to tell me it’s illegal to talk about it with other employees, which is total bullshit

What's wrong with waiting for an offer? You want the job enough to interview. If you're good enough you'll eventually get to the pay/benefits aspect

As I recall tech is very upfront with salaries these days, either because recruiters have figured out in part how to deal with compsci types, and also because there's such high demand they need to advertise high salaries to attract top talent. With 12 years of experience you're probably in a position where you can flat-out ask how much you'll be paid, especially if you're talking to a recruiter. At an actual interview you're just going to have to play it by ear; I like to be a bit indirect by referring to "compensation", as in "what sort of range are you offering with regards to compensation" rather than bluntly asking how much they're paying.

wtf you talking about. they always ask how much you want.

They don't want your wife knowing all the men make more than her

>where my wife works they make her sign a contract to say you won’t talk about it
I doubt that's legal either.

The problem is that if you're probing around, waiting until they offer the job to find out the salary is a waste of time if the final offer is below what you'll accept.

Yeah but some places don't want to tell you how much they're offering.

To be honest where I am working now (been here for maybe 6 years) they try to steal me from my last employer, at first I said no but after a month I decided to take it but even then I didn’t ask about pay because I thought it was not the right thing to ever do, now that I’m older I think it’s totally retarded, also you can still enjoy your job but want to know what your time will be worth. I think most bosses mean by “enjoy your job” they actually mean “enjoy making money for them”.

What are you talking about?

Pay is the first thing Human Resources or recruiters talk about. They always get this out of the way first before you go for the real interview with the hiring manager.

i'll be completing a compsci degree in a few months and i have absolutely no idea how to negotiate salary for a jr dev position. i'm not a bootcamp tier code monkey but i also don't have any paid dev experience. most postings i've found suggest a range, but the spread is often 30k or greater. i actually had a very informal interview set up for me by an acquaintance with the cto of a small consulting firm, and he flat out asked me what my salary expectations were within 10 minutes of being introduced (before i even knew what the position fully entailed... wtf!?). i need the money and want the experience, but don't want to cuck myself by shooting too low. any advice bros?

My assumption is that when you first entered the job market it was the culture not to ask about pay, but nowadays that's more or less broken down for various reasons. It's quite common to ask about pay, although it's a bit of a minefield because you still have relatively conservative industries or even individual managers and HR people who treat questions about pay with shock and horror.

first thing i do is ask how much it pays, im not even kidding. its not that awkward unless you are a beta manlet
>umm sir h..h.. how much does the job pay me
fucking pathetic

There are plenty of articles online discussing how to negotiate a salary for your first job, so I'd recommend that you research those. The important thing is to never, ever low-ball, no matter how worthless you think you are (you aren't, not in tech). Also use Glassdoor to gauge salaries; you can use an endless number of temporary e-mails to create burner accounts to access the stuff they hide behind a registration wall.

By the way, those articles I'm referring to are specifically for tech.

Probably
I told the wife that shit she signed don’t mean anything, they can’t do such things.
Because I can remember in the past taking jobs and they don’t even tell you when they give you the job, you have to wait until the first pay check, which is total bullshit. What if I went for a job which accepted me after I took the first job that accepted me which could have paid more, but now I’m working and waiting for pay day to know what my rates are. That’s complete bullshit.

>they don’t even tell you when they give you the job, you have to wait until the first pay check, which is total bullshit
You must be quite old then, because these day that's more or less impossible what with employment contracts.

Ok so people do ask more these days, what about younger gen getting into the work force, is it wrong for them to ask still? Because I think New or old you have a right to know what your pay will be and it’s Absurd to think someone doesn’t work to be paid so they can live.
I do now how to negotiate my pay and what not, just never do it in a job interview before, but I was a lot younger when doing a lot of my job interviews. I have had one job interview in the last 10 years. A lot of my interviews were actually back in those first two-three years of working.

I guess I am old, I have never signed a employment contract, my last employer tried to get me to sign one but I had been working their for a few years already and I was apart of the union and I just told him I’ll have to get them too look over it first, next thing it was forgotten about, never had to sign it.

my female boss gave me her personal cell. I think she wants to fuck. I've been wanting to call her for so long but I get so nervous.

>what about younger gen getting into the work force, is it wrong for them to ask still?
Again, it really depends. We're in a cultural shift regarding talking about money and salaries and whatnot, so some industries, tech especially, are extremely upfront about pay, especially since it's booming right now and they need good people. It's had a ripple effect with other industries, especially as the younger generation realise that they need to be much more careful about salaries since the economy sucks and unpaid internships won't help, but that change in thinking is occurring at different rates. I think within 10-20 years talking about pay during interviews or even before them will be universally standard, but for now there are still many old-fashioned holdouts, either because they're old and used to it or because they're blindly following tradition.

I suggest you try to figure out your exact terms of employment; I'm not saying that your company will try to screw you over, but if they ever do you'll need to be prepared. It's a nasty world out there now; who knows what kind of changes are taking place in upper management that will completely upend your life?

>who knows what kind of changes are taking place in upper management that will completely upend your life?
I can already see it happening user. Honestly it doesn’t bother me too much, these employers act as if they are the only place employing people and I should be greatful just for them paying me. Upper management has changed a lot in the last year, and honestly I’m tired of the bullshit politics that come with it. You have some many cunts up there fucking up and everyday on every job it’s, we need this NOW!!! Getting fucking shit of it, then after the time when they demand these jobs NOW!! They have not even fucking ordered the supplies for it!!! Fucking useless, one thing I know about upper management, they lay their fucking blame on anyone else, so sick of it user

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>who knows what kind of changes are taking place in upper management that will completely upend your life?
I can already see it happening user. Honestly it doesn’t bother me too much, these employers act as if they are the only place employing people and I should be greatful just for them paying me. Upper management has changed a lot in the last year, and honestly I’m tired of the bullshit politics that come with it. You have so many cunts up there fucking up and everyday on every job it’s, we need this NOW!!! Getting fucking sick of it, then half the time when they demand these jobs NOW!! They have not even fucking ordered the supplies for it!!! Fucking useless, one thing I know about upper management, they lay their fucking blame on anyone else, so sick of it an

Nothing wrong with asking saying "I do have a certain amount I have to at least make each month to cover my expenses; so you wouldn't happen to know what the position pays would you?". At the end of the interview when they ask you if you have any questions