Is this the ultimate Jow Forums book or is it all a scam?

Shill us on this. Is this full with stories or actual applicable advice?

That was a good book, but from what I remember it doesn't really have anything to do with power or business.

It's not the ultimate, but it is a really good book about how to deal with people.

Okay, so I've skimmed the OP's book and it's full of all of the Machiavellian shit that your average beta isn't going to ever actually use in practice.

Power v. Force on the other hand is more of an introspective look on one's behavior and the precursor of what makes you and other human beings act on each other for good or worse. There are themes of shared consciousness and determinism while allowing for spirituality.

Both books solve difference problems

A mastery and understanding of your emotions I find very important for making rational business decisions

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Lol why not just read this

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It’s just a bunch of made up nonsense based on nothing but the low IQ author’s imagination. If you want something based on actual research read Influence or Thinking Fast and Slow.

>Influence
Charles Manson approved

Thanks. Buying this on amazon. I've been aware and trying to fix my bad temperment, neuroticsm and low EQ.

>Okay, so I've skimmed the OP's book and it's full of all of the Machiavellian shit that your average beta isn't going to ever actually use in practice.
So you haven't read it? You're missing out. I used to be an average needy beta and the book helped me turn my weaknesses into "power" particularly in the domain of dating and freelance business.

Here are the most useful chapters for anyone interested:

Law 4: Always Say Less than Necessary
Law 8: Make Other People Come To You Use Bait
Law 11: Learn To Keep People Dependent on You
Law 16: Use Absence to Increase Respect and Honor
Law 17: Cultivate an air of Unpredictability
Law 20: Do Not Commit to Anyone
Law 30: Make Your Accomplishments Seem Effortless
Law 36: Disdain things you cannot have
Law 45: Preach Change But Never Reform Quickly.

Cliff's Notes: 48laws-of-power.blogspot.com/

>Power v. Force on the other hand is more of an introspective look...
Thanks, might check it out. Though sounds kind of like the book I'm reading now "Looking out for #1" by Robert J Ringer (1978 version - before the politically correct revision) or "Games People Play" by Eric Berne.

>it's full of all of the Machiavellian shit that your average beta isn't going to ever actually use in practice.

It doesn't just function as a sword, It's also used as a shield.

So it actually helps with self improvement? I was under the impression people only read these types of books because their boss at work made them.

Alright, I'll actually give it a thorough read. Thanks

not him, this has been sitting on my shelf for years

Emotional Intelligence is a quack pseudoscience and this book has nothing of value

>Law 36: Disdain things you cannot have
this one always makes me chuckle, this is literally just saying to have a fox and grapes attitude

Yup. Works out great though. Can changes your whole attitude in case the person decides to reconnect with you down the line. And while they're not wanting you, you'll recount all their faults (whether it's a job description or a date) and gives you outcome independence.

>So it actually helps with self improvement?
It absolutely does. Would be surprised though if a boss told their worker to read this title. Would expose all their bullshit over a weekend. Lots of moralist are against this book and the concepts are absolutely politically incorrect.

I have the german version here and it didn't impress me much. I guess I'll have to grab the original version to get the real deal

>he still reads Machiavellian bullshit
>he didnt take the antidote to the Machiavelli blackpill.

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Yes. Must read.

>If you want something based on actual research read Influence or Thinking Fast and Slow.

Lol, psychology isn't an exact science. It's still a very immature field of study. It's best not to pigeonhole yourself with the opinions of one author.

It's definitely worth reading but I wouldn't consider it some magical book that is gonna make you powerful.

My favorite lessons:
- drill deep not wide
- be nice until someone truly leaves you no choice but to be enemies. Once that happens stop at nothing to destroy them
- If you achieve success at something and people ask about it, just act like it was no big deal. It leaves an illusion of mystical power on others

The ultimate anti Machiavelli black pill is that none of the people intended to read his book actually read or cared about it

I read the whole thing and it's a fucking meme. I remember at one point it praises a leader who was willing to kill his child to get ahead in life. If that's the sort of person you want to be, read the book and follow the "laws." If you'd rather not be a sociopath who lies cheats and steals to get ahead, avoid this shit unless you're looking for a laugh.

>Law 30: Make Your Accomplishments Seem Effortless

This one doesn't apply in most cases. If you make it seem effortless, people will demand or expect more out of you.

>Law 45: Preach Change But Never Reform Quickly.

Same as above. If you advocate for change, people would expect YOU to lead by example.

>I remember at one point it praises a leader who was willing to kill his child to get ahead in life

You mean like in the Bible

> If you make it seem effortless, people will demand or expect more out of you.
>yfw you have a clear description of responsibilities and tasks but you LET yourself be rape-trampled after complying magnificently.
You use it to haggle for better opportunities and open more options. You must be able to develop the skill to say "no".

You're supposed to follow the advice where it goes into how you can use said power in everyday life, not the actual stories from 300BC demonstrating it.

>not lying on a resume to get a good job
>not embellishing a few traits to get a date with a cutie
>not ironically shilling pump and dump crypto on Jow Forums to pump your bags
JUST

>This one doesn't apply in most cases. If you make it seem effortless, people will demand or expect more out of you.
Law 20: Do Not Commit to Anyone
Law 16: Use Absence to Increase Respect and Honor

They can expect, but they will not receive if it's not advantageous for me. Might be busy with other projects because I'm just that good and therefore increase my prices. Imagine what we could do together if I put in more effort and time!

>Same as above. If you advocate for change, people would expect YOU to lead by example.
Just virtue signal at work or with clients.

There's a lot of misinformation regarding this book. No, it won't turn you into a machiavellian sociopath, that's not its purpose. Many people confuse this because it takes an amoral approach to its content. It's basically like "here's some tools, its up to you how you use them". Nowhere does it suggest you should do immoral things with its content.

What the book does is give the reader strategies on how to be more persuasive, mostly in dealing with coworkers but can be applied to situations outside of work as well. It's essentially a self-help book thats actually good, since it provides useful information that's easily implementable, plus it grounds its content in reality by using historical examples. Many of Greene's books are good. Laws of Human Nature was my favorite and I would recommend that book over 48 Laws of Power (48 Laws is also good).

>Laws of Human Nature
The only book I bought on paperback after reading online.

my fav books:

1. the richest man in babylon
2. the art of war
3. the will to power

48 laws of power was good but nothing beats the 3 i mentioned

The guy is a total creep. He came to my college to speak years back. I remember that he said he had dozens of jobs and he talked about his brief stint in the softcore porn industry (not as a performer).

no, you are just a stupid faggot.

emotions and habits were prior to abstract thinking and has been solid base of homo erectus

children before language acquisition use this form of intelligence

>ad hominem

How's PHILO 101 class?

He claims to have had somewhere around 80 different jobs. Considering his age that’s a new job every few months, doesn’t sound like he’s very successful at business if he can’t hold a job

Never took it, worked after high-school.

>even more ad hominem

He is the clear definition of an INTP.