The median net income of the German population in 2017 was 1666 euros per month

Brainlet, thats not the median net income of German population, but for people who live alone (usually young and still in training)
I just finished universitiy and already got hired for a comfy 49k entry lvl job and my cv pretty much sucks

not true at all.

That's still good considering how much of a leech to other EU countries is Germany.

If you were unable to flood other countries with your rather poor quality goods, you'd be insignificant.
^That + migrants you've imported = should be enough for quite a serious crisis sometime in near future.

Burger here, we may earn a bit more money, but Germans a god-tier healthcare, guaranteed vacation days, better working conditions, etc.

>but for people who live alone (usually young and still in training)

if youre in training you earn between 450-1000 max ( net )

~1700€ net income is around 2600 gross income.
nobody in training is earning 2600 per month.

btw. 49k gross income per year says nothing at all.
for social studies it is high.
for engineering or it is not high

not really, most smaller trade businesses (as in carpenter etc.) are not gmbhs but UG, OHG etc.

friend of mine just started an online shop with a UG, no discrimination from traders because its not a gmbh

what is average

taking all the low income and maybe even jobless people into account that might as well fit

you fuckers killed 6 million jews and now you want to complain abour your income?

pathetic

>Meanwhile burgers talking about making 100k a year, that shit is unbelievable in Germany.

meanwhile burger pay shit load of money for visiting the doctor.
meanwhile you get free money if you lose your job
even 60% of your last salary for 12 months.
you get a small apartment which is payed if you lose your job.

if you lose your job in the states you are pretty much fucked.

i want all of you smartpants go to a dentist and ask them what for example new teeth cost if you had to pay it by your own.
you will never complain again about anything

Topkek
Insurance costs next to nothing in young years faggot
I have a private insurance now and pay 80 bucks. If i would use the public one it would cost me 600e per month

The link states 1666 for single households, and 3498 for two people household + small child in average (after taxes)

this can include trainees but obviously doesn't exclude all the other single households

This, these retards just don't get it.

Germans pay almost next to nothing for healtchare, meanwhile I had to pay 5000 bucks for my braces back when I was a wee lad.

Be proud and thankful of what you have, the entire world is jealous of Germany.

>not really, most smaller trade businesses (as in carpenter etc.) are not gmbhs but UG, OHG etc.
>friend of mine just started an online shop with a UG, no discrimination from traders because its not a gmbh

OHG is not the same than a UG.

try to buy goods as an UG without prepayment or getting huge credits :)
Try to buy something for 40k and pay after 60 days.

this are problems which UGs will face.
because u don´t have cpaital and u don´t have to adherence with your private capital.
as an OHG you do adherence with your private capital.
as an GMBH you have at least some capital in your business.

a UG can basically be startet with 1€.
so you adherence only for 1€.

>Topkek
>Insurance costs next to nothing in young years faggot
>I have a private insurance now and pay 80 bucks. If i would use the public one it would cost me 600e per month

if you need a surgery for your appendix what do you pay?

if you lose your job today, how much neetbux you will receive the week after?

what about your rent?

not to mention the education scam in the usa.
what does it cost to visit a university in the usa?
without scholarship memes.

in germany, it doens´t cost anything or even max 500€ per month if it is a meme university.

for real this is heaven on earth in relation. germans just love to complain. seriously, they LOVE it.

Yes, so you have to take into account that this statistic is biased, because of a higher share of young people.
The avg. German wages are higher than the ones in the US:
countryeconomy.com/labour/average-wage/usa
countryeconomy.com/labour/average-wage/germany

Yes, Im in EE and my income is rather low for this degree. It was still easy as fuck to get a Job and I start without any student loans. Universities are free, just study something useful.

I have a PhD in chemistry and my first job offer is 38k per year. Should I tell them to fuck off?

yes your right, but in the end thats the decision of the founder

taking no risks yourself but assume others will be for you doesnt work

lmao ich bekomme 2k im Monat von meinen Eltern zum Leben im Monat und tue gar nichts
poorfags lel

Thats the reason we got to this point breh

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sounds too low for a PhD, could be starting salary for a B.Sc.

actual your first offer? go look more

sure.

i was just saying how it is.
and the statistics about companies who become bankrupt is high
for every new successful company, three other companies are failing.

but this has also to do with idiotic germany culture "better dron´t try than fail"

you mean kebabs and stuff?

who you exactly, you fucking degenerate?

I'm pretty sure you still have to pay for a dentist?
My friend who is a Pole living in Germany went home to get braces because it was cheaper.

>healthcare is free in germany
lol you burgers are so fuckign stupid and braiwashed kys
we pay 15% of all of our income into healthcare for all our life no matter how much you earn
dentists cost tons of extra money
waiting times are ENDLESS
staying in a hospitcal you will catch another 1000 illnesses there are germs everywhere, rooms are not heated, you have other ill ppl in your room
you migh even just die in the emergancy room since its full of niGGERS AND MUDS
healthcare in germany is 3rd wrld level
GERMANY IS AIDS

what is the point of being smart if the world is full of such retards

I am in germany faggot
But who would NOT have a private insurance, it is cheaper and has more to offer if you are young enough, just inform yourself

> A bit
Fucking lol

Also when you're young and healthy like me you can get an HSA in America and not have to spend money on healthcare for the hundreds of millions of fat people. Wow but their god tier healthcare is so great

kek go eat a burger mcfatty!

>germans just love to complain
This is true. We are almost never satisfied and if we are we usually don't mention it. There's a saying where I come from which roughly translates to "not complained is praise enough".

hahahhahahahahahahahahahahahaha

*chokes on a sausage*

I returned to Bulgaria from Germany to make more money as a software dev, this should tell you the whole story, kek.

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>Latvia

Jesus fucking christ

Wait what 15%?

Dutchanon here and I have to pay mandatory private healthinsurance. I earn 1740 euros a month (net) + 120 euros just to travel to work and i get 90 eurod subsidised a month for my health insurance. Pay 135 a month for health insurance. Are germans that financially cucked?

switzerland is suprising

>I am in germany faggot
>But who would NOT have a private insurance, it is cheaper and has more to offer if you are young enough, just inform yourself

it is not always cheaper.

For real, Germany seems to be completely run by Soros NGO-s and their public "free" healthcare system is shittier than any country's private healthcare system (that costs less) because you get in line after Ahmed and his 8 kids, your employer pays tax to hire you, which if you include in your salary means that you pay more than 50% in tax before VAT so all of the Germany praise is just memes.
But their supermarket food is legit good, that's the only country in the world where you can buy high quality veggies and fresh meat in a big supermarket. Organic stuff for 20% more than the standard garbage, noticeably better tasting, too. Probably the one thing I miss.
I know, right...

itt brainlets defend socialism without having experienced it first hand
The only two good things Europe has compared to US are better labor rights and privacy laws. Almost everything else is shit.

Same here but Poland. I'd have to earn over €80k in Germany not to lose money compared to what I get here. And average offer for my qualifications is 65.

you can choose to use private healthcare if you want

so if germany is full of niggers and muds why don´t you clown just leave?

ive never paid anything extra for my dentist lol

Yep, senior software dev, 65k offer in Munich, it's a fucking joke. Now I get 50k in EE, which nets me 44k. Only 10% tax on bonuses, too.
Meanwhile our gypsies are mass-migrating to Germany, 20 more years of austerity and we can get rid of all of them.

chemisty is a useless memedegree like biology
you can have 10 phds in chem/bilogy and the best job you could get is becoming teacher at a gymnasium
chem engeneering would get you money
you fucked up

wtf, German food is atrocious for the most part when compared to countries with good supermarkets like Holland, Italy, UK or Portugal.

i will leave asap dw

gmbh owner here
it's actually 25000€ (full payment)
i pay ridiculous amounts on gewerbesteuer, körperschaftsteuer and retarded payments to "handelskammern" you cant opt out of
i pay myself a pathetic 1200€ BRUTTO and am FORCED to have an insurance that costs me 222€ monthly as opposed to the pennies that are taken from your salary when you wageslave
if i increase my salary then 40% of that increase goes straight to Lohnsteuer
absolute shitshow

But only after you've paid for public (correct me if I'm wrong). And the money you pay for public go for Ahmed, Ayshe and their 18 kids before you.

>that's the only country in the world where you can buy high quality veggies and fresh meat in a big supermarket.
Japan would disagree

>The only two good things Europe has compared to US are better labor rights and privacy laws. Almost everything else is shit.

education scam in the usa is good?
lmao the orange head mustve fucked your brains

murica is 3rd world compared to most eu regions

This, any explanation?

Heard the same about the Netherlands, so can't argue there.
UK and Italy have horrible food in their supermarkets though. Sure, they have amazing farmer's markets and butcher shops and Italian locals shop there but if you are only willing to dedicate 10 minutes for shopping, in my experience I'd get better food in a German supermarket than an Italian one.

>wtf, German food is atrocious for the most part when compared to countries with good supermarkets like Holland, Italy, UK or Portugal.

sure, thats why poland, dutch, dansk, swedes and even france people come to germany to buy groceries.

>muh HealthCare
>waith 3-8 hours in ER rooms filled with filthy people from all around the world
>constantly understaffed personel in hospitals
>have to wait months for MRI/CT scans
>every better accredited doctor now only accepts private patients
>hospitals are filthy and if you need surgery you have to wait months
>public insurance doctors dont give a flying fuck about you and give you no more than a minute for you visit
for all of my last doctorvisits/ct scans I paid out of my pocket because the service is faster and superior in every possible way
sure for a 3rd worlder somali the concept of healthcare might be something amazing and abstract he couldnt even dream of in his poorfag country but for a european first world power like germany its pretty pathetic

I am talking about people who actually have an income
If you earn more than a pleb and under 35 is is dirty cheap

>Education
My bad, you're right.
I just don't believe that in current environment mass education is required for most professions (I'd say it's only viable for critical professionals like doctors and people who have to deal with real life threatening dangers) so I ignored this point completely.

Although I'm not opposed to scamming social studies kiddies out of their future money.

ITS FREE GOYIM

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>Although I'm not opposed to scamming social studies kiddies out of their future money.
Not if you pay for it with taxes afterwards.
Also, the best German students go to high-grade US or UK universities (or Brussels for political shit), so the education thing is also a meme

Lass mich raten: Trustfund-Schwuchtel, die nach Berlin gezogen ist?

I was about to add that I'd still rather pay out a loan in 2-3 years (since having 100k paycheck is completely reasonable for high skill professions) than having to pay for the rest of my life in the form of taxes.

>Also, the best German students go to high-grade US or UK universities (or Brussels for political shit), so the education thing is also a meme

you can offer source for this bullshit right?

>for a european first world power like germany its pretty pathetic

i don´t know where you live but i went two times to the hospital the last 3 years and it was absolute solid.

even the food was nice.

i also have very competent doctors in my town and never more than 5 or 6 people there.
and i live in a 500k city.

mri/ct scan within 3 days btw.

t. paid german government shill

No it isn't. The regulatory bodies in EU are centralized and privatized bodies that aren't being checked on. Healthcare and food supervision is absolutely horrible. It's a goldmine for the regulator though

t. amerilard talking out of his ass

I am in Germany, so you fail shill.

Sounds to good to believe (inb4 American shill) but which city is that?
It is absolutely not my experience with Berlin and Munich, my friends from Freiburg and Frankfurt are also not particularly happy. But good spots are often reserved for locals for name city plox.

no you obviously dont pay both

>Also, the best German students go to high-grade US or UK universities (or Brussels for political shit), so the education thing is also a meme
never heard of that, people often do some time abroad at some university and sometimes do PhD there is paid for but thats not the majority, just like any other country

count yourself lucky then and enjoy it while it lasts in your sleepy little hinterwäldler town
in major cities like Berlin/Frankfurt its an absolute tragic shitshow with overloaded filthy (thanks to the outsourcing to cleaing firms who are doing a terrible job - several cases of resistent germ deaths) hospitals filled with exhausted doctors who are doing multiple shifts (and having an endless stream of patients)

also a good article regarding the current state of our healthcare system
>welt.de/wirtschaft/article170501331/Wir-verschwenden-Milliarden-fuer-Kliniken-Aerzte-und-Pillen.html

You've never been there, mutt.

I'm starting to think so too

Please translate, i can't read sausage language.

Never stay more than 2 years in Berlin except if you're rich. It's good for partying but that's it. The market for renting flats is fucked up and it's going to be fucked up more despite the libshit government buying back properties to provide them as cheap living places. Imagine Berlin as the clogged up, trendy "underground" venue of Europe (maybe even of the world). Dirty, disfunctional at times, overpriced, too many, sometimes rude, people in one space, but at least the music is good.

whats so hard to understand about the part i marked?

My ex gf had MS so I spent quiet some time in the Austrian healthcare system (which is pretty much like the german one)
Waiting times in emergencies are usually 3+ hours, doctors dont spend more than 5 minites with you, waiting times for MRIs are 2 months+
I could go on, but trust me, you do NOT want to get sick without private insurance

funny thing is that teeth arent covered by insurance though. even funnier is that teeth are covered for refugees though

the healthcare system in germany is acomplete shitshow, also we have the second highest taxes in the EU (about 70-80% easy if you factor in VAT and all the secondary/indirect taxes on gasoline, tobacco, capital gains, real estate, etc. etc.). so much for the "free" healthcare. plus the wages have been stagnant for decades. im a freelancefag and work for US clients at US rates so Im pretty comfy but the average wagecuck here gets completely fucked.

"Education scam" is 100% voluntary (there are inexpensive alternatives and even certifications) so I don't have to pay for it my entire working career from degree to grave and pretend I'm not, unlike Euro Cucks with half their paycheck going into a bureacratic black hole-especially if they dare purchase anything other than locally produced sauerkraut (how much is gasoline in Europe, again?)

I'd rather pay off a debt as it comes than pay much more into a system's phony shell game my entire life and be too stupid to realize I'm being systematically ripped off.

>get ostensibly free drugs from US (international index soon~)
>completely rely on US military, barely meets NATO obligations halfway but still tax citizens as if they were the country with a world-spanning empire
>thinks his system is just and sustainable

wew

There are a lot of ways in which the American healthcare system could be improved but adopting the european model is not one of them

Hallo mede moslimbroeder

I also make 1735 net
Whats your position? I work in a software company as a Jr. UX designer for mr Shekelstein

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Nö, Immobilienerbe aus München.
Nur pseudohippe schwanzlutscher wohnen in Berlin, die richtige Kohle is im Süden.

All the text in that pic can be summarised as "Arbeit macht frei".

I lived there for 6 months, got tired of Berghain and Watergate and moved to Munich.
I legit liked Blitz better than the clubs in Munich, but I've stopped clubbing altogether.

Yet there are mercs, bmw and Audi everywhere. How can you all afford that without putting 90% of your income towards leasing rates.

germans and their cars, its something

i know of a few that with maybe 25 stuff all their wealth into ugly audi's because thats cool or something, and kebabs driving big benz which are shared and leased by multiple people to appear big for some moment kek

>went to the hospital two times in three years
>paid $40,000 in taxes during that period
>"fr-REEEEEEEEEE"

Now imagine your income tax sticker shock if your country had an obesity problem and the associated chronic illnesses therewith, was paying for free healthcare for over 20 million penniless and ostensibly homeless illegal immigrants because of diplomatic reasons and had no potential to rely on a entity producing ten+ times the amount of pharmaceutical drugs your country does that you are able to access practically for free because you won't respect this entity's intellectual property laws otherwise.

UK here. Wages are shit too.

Seems like every "professional" is on £30,000. Londonistan wages for professional tier will be in the area of £50,000 but still £30,000 if you take off living costs or travel costs.

Eastern Euros move here to get shit wages and give most of it to paki landlords topkek. I'd rather live in Krakow or Budapest than this shithole any day.

Get on spanish level or romanian level, thats another level of JUST.
>spanish
>corruption everywhere, european givs go to feminist groups and farmer cartel(shit you not).
>average pay is 920 euros.
>pensionist earn more.
>natality near ATL, japan comes first then us.
>private business get taxed non stop.
>1/2 young people are studying to get a state job.
>muh we dont work but we work more hours than the average european (48h/week).
>a 70sqm flat costs 200k and a family earns 25k a month before taxes.
Man this is heaven ;)

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