UBI is the future. If you're not on board you will get left in the dust. There is unironically no downside to UBI

Build them without emotions.

This is why we need the neetbux sooner rather than later. We need to get them now and start dumping them into crypto.

Robot waitresses. They probably will fuck up your order less and you never have to tip.

Incels are going to want their sex robots with emotions and then that leads to implementing all robots with emotions eventually.

Of course you can and will be replaced.
Its inevitable and so is UBI.

I can't believe that fucking piece of shit yang actually paid people to shill his campaign on here. What a loser.

UBI = welfare state = impossible to have a representative government due to single issue (welfare) being more important than anything else.

The moment UBI becomes implemented is the day that citizenship ceases to matter, and you become (even more of) a livestock.

This sounds fine to neets and self hating leftists, but anybody who wants personal responsibility must find the idea abhorrent due to the total submission to authority UBI represents.

Market factors aside, UBI is the fastest path to totalitarianism (followed by collapse) mankind can encounter on a single generation timescale.

Like always, humanity will more than likely fuck around with it till it bites them in the ass and pretend like they learned their lesson, only to repeat the same mistake mere hundreds of years later.

Rome implemented a form of UBI, forced through Senate by women, and it swiftly led to the total economic collapse of the Empire since their migrant population did not redistribute the wealth given to them, but rather hoarded it within their communities and sent it back north. Sound familiar?

If there is one thing that you can count on, it is women getting their way until everything is ruined. That is the path we are on now and it can't be stopped. That us the cycle of empires and civilization which experience success for too long.

I'm cool with UBI. I work as a chemical technician contractor for various petroleum production companies. It's unlikely to be automated for a while just because of how much infrastructure would have to change to allow robots to take over. An extra thousand dollarydoos a month would be pretty dope.

Blockchain, crypto and smart contracts literally solve all the problems that you mentioned.

So what is $1,000 worth when inflation kicks in? Californians will spend that on taxes alone.

Yeah dude totally you're going to just have an extra 1k a month to play with and nothing will change. Haha pretty great right?

You dumb son of a bitch.

I pray that the people who make this shit happen this time live long enough to suffer the consequences, and that it's not merely their grandchildren who have to figure out how to survive the horror of their world falling apart and everything shutting down.

ITT: boomer butthurt because people in the future will get Universal Basic Income and to cope they come up with all kinds of retarded explanations why it won‘t work

I would probably be butthurt too if I was a wagecuck boomer.

Absolutely wrong, but its a lie that can be sold easily enough and long enough for such systems to become critical. Which means that when they go, the spiral down the drain happens even faster.

The more automation you have, the faster the apocalypse arrives, when enough cogs slip out of place.

Maybe you will live long enough to see.

Why would citizenship cease to matter if we only give it to people who are US citizens that are 18 and older? Immigrants would still have to work long and hard hours along with having to raise their kids for 18 years and by then the kids are pretty much american at heart.

>Absolutely wrong
Nope absolute truth, DYOR you retarded boomer.
Crypto and Smart Contracts is what will literally enable UBI to work and it will work perfectly.

literal 0/10 post op. i'd tell you to kill yourself but you're clearly on the verge of suicide anyway, praying for free money to come soon.

>Incels are going to want their sex robots with emotions and then that leads to implementing all robots with emotions eventually.

Robots designed to have feelings need to be treated the same as humans. This is something that needs to be established right from the get go and it MATTERS A LOT.

so why aren't we printing money for ourselves already? let's give everyone 10k a month for a comfy life? what;s the downside?

>so why aren't we printing money for ourselves already?
Because chainlink mainnet is not out yet and so UBI can‘t work.
Only when smart contracts work we will see UBI.

Just thought about it, there are people who have anchor babies then take their baby back to their home country. How would countries that have UBI deal with that? The kid has to be in us schools for at least 5 years?

Baby commies need to experience being mass murdered and starved to death and losing their entire family before they stop being commies.

It's a mind virus that can only be cured through massive suffering of the afflicted.

I don't blame you idiots for being idiots, but I do pity you and your future children.

On the bright side, this will allow for acceleration of the population reduction program before the world dies first. Enjoy being culled, I guess.

>personal responsibility
for what? Personal responsibility for having your most basic needs met, or personal responsibility for "doing something" with your life? Are you maybe someone who's had your needs met your entire life by your parents or community, so you don't have a clue what it means to be live below that?

As someone who just came back from looking through the apartment dumpsters for people's thrown out food, and did this all this freezing winter, I damn sure would like my food and rent paid so I can start working on the projects that matter to me and ultimately will carry me and be profitable the rest of my life. I don't like spending every day to survive.

AI is a myth only boomers beleive. Everyone tech savvy knows its just if then else code.

I think it's important to note that this future will occur no matter what. The idea will gain traction amongst the poor as it gains exposure and they will vote the money into their pockets. Welfare replaced by this single system, the cost of goods/services will skyrocket, and the middle class will crumble as their buying power disappears amongst rampant inflation.

But once the public realizes it can vote gibs into their pockets, every subsequent election will be based on who promises the most gibsmedats.

The argument of UBI is moot. We should focus on how to maximize our wealth before it gets implemented so we are prepared for the massive shitstorm.

>the middle class will crumble
It already did.

UBI only pays out if you confirm your ID in the region where the businesses which you are allowed to use are.
If you try to scam the system it will easily show up on the immutable ledger an they will sanction and fine you automatically.

seething boomer wagecuck

thats not how its gonna work.

>the cost of goods/services will skyrocket
they won't.

>and the middle class will crumble as their buying power disappears amongst rampant inflation.
Inflation happens anyway under the dollar system and right now it happen not because of welfare but because there is too many leeches and 3rd parties taking their cut.
once most of these are removed from the picture things will get better.

no robot frens
no neet bucks

The cost of goods rise when increased demand meets limited supply. Supply doesn't stay limited forever but I guarantee the cost of those goods will normalize to a pre-UBI level. UBI is an inflation accelerant as it increases demand without scaling supply.

>Will
Won't

Derp

>use UBI to buy products in region, good boy!
>sell products for cash and buy drugs, oh no!

Oops, so much for your smart contract.

>Oh but ubiquitous surveillance state will make it impossible to scam, so it works!

Congrats, you now understand why welfare state requires totalitarian control.

>waah pay for my things

neck yourself

the only way a UBI can work is if you use something like Milton Friedman's negative income tax
you make the receipt from working worth more than the state income that should be the least ammount to subsist on

>we want ubi in case we get replaced by ai
>we wont need ubi if we rely on ubi

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>The cost of goods rise when increased demand meets limited supply
Limited supply of what?
You think people would buy more Milk all of a sudden to such an extent that prices would need to be raised?
thats retarded and won't happen.

>sell products for cash and buy drugs, oh no!
I'm sure the dealer will sell you a bag of heroin for butter and milk lmao
cool story but this wouldn't happen.
and if it did the system would notice that and you go to nigger prison.

>totalitarian control
we get there anyway whether you want it or not, thats where technology is going.
congrats you figured out what the future is gonna be like.

UBI will happen anyway, it cannot be stopped anymore. In the next 10 - 20 years 47% of all Jobs will be automated.
the People who lose their jobs will need money to survive, UBI will provide that.

>DYOR

Typical response from people who can only shill buzzwords and memes but lack the ability to explain them.

>zero understanding of econ, is completely wrong
what I think is.. HURR MUH magic wants and desires AOC Bernie Free magic pixie dust shit that dont work...

I'll happily shoot antifa faggots like you

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>let me compare a civilization from bc to now, because we are still the same
KEK

We'll see another industrial revolution in our lifetimes. We are kinda the "luckiest" people that ever existed, so far.

AI is far from perfect and it's implementations to almost every field can take as long as 30~40 years but majority of jobs will disappear.

Back then a farm needed tremendous manpower. Slaves, family etc. at the start of 20th century a single machine could do what 100 slaves couldn't.

Now, after another decade due to our better understanding on biology/genes, 1 farm can output what 4 farms did back then.

These were labor intensive jobs humanity streamlined, just in 1 fucking century. Now tho, we are after mind intensive jobs, with AI.

What 400 programmers were doing will be done by 1 AI and 1 guy that's responsible from it. Advertisement, finance, governance, RnD in ANY sector will be done by AI.

UBI will happen. Maybe not now, not like what we are imagining like, but eventually in some form will.

>boomer doesn't know about smart contracts
stay poor faggot boomer

>seething boomercuck can't form arguments and resorts to empty threats and butthurt posting

>This is nicely illustrated by the example of William Lee, inventing the stocking frame knitting machine in 1589, hoping that it would relieve workers of hand-knitting. Seeking patent protection for his invention, he travelled to London where he had rented a building for his machine to be viewed by Queen Elizabeth I. To his disappointment, the Queen was more concerned with the employment impact of his invention and refused to grant him a patent, claiming that: “Thou aimest high, Master Lee. Consider thou what the invention could do to my poor subjects. It would assuredly bring to them ruin by depriving them of employment, thus making them beggars” (cited in Acemoglu and Robinson, 2012, p. 182f).

>Most likely the Queen’s concern was a manifestation of the hosiers’ guilds fear that the invention would make the skills of its artisan members obsolete.5 The guilds’ opposition was indeed so intense that William Lee had to leave Britain. That guilds systematically tried to weaken market forces as aggregators to maintain the technological status quo is persuasively argued by Kellenbenz (1974, p. 243), stating that “guilds defended the interests of their members against outsiders, and these included the inventors who, with their new equipment and techniques, threatened to disturb their members’ economic status.”

and the interesting part:

>“Unless all individuals accept the “verdict” of the market outcome, the decision whether to adopt an innovation is likely to be resisted by losers through non-market mechanism and political activism.” Workers can thus be expected to resist new technologies, insofar that they make their skills obsolete and irreversibly reduce their expected earnings.

tl;dr Boomercucks BTFO and confirmed for losers.

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>UBI only pays out if you confirm your ID in the region where the businesses
Something like a DMV? Except you only need to be around it to pay out on your mobile banking or crypto apps and don't have to go in unless you get some problems.

t. economic illiterate

why do you believe complete government control is good news any more than the Queen resisting automated sewing was good news?

>trying this hard

Tldnr you're a near unemployed homosexual who is more afraid than anyone. I'm guessing you're a high school teacher am I right?
Was it painful to see all your former classmates earn more than you and become more and more conservative?

You became more liberal.
You went on strike to get things from the government.

Why did they go to grad school and get PhDs and MBAs and get jobs in Engineering and Finance and Marketing? Why did they?
You had the summers off and nobody to hang out with with. wah.

Now ai will make everyone equal again right?
Just like back in high school or college? Right Al Bundy?
Oh, am I a seething boomer? Bc that's not what you are you're def a happy camper. You're definitely not going to get shot by your student and they definitely wont find your sketchy browser history
kys now. Bernie will never be president neither will AOC and this AI billshit will only replace pussies like you. Have you tried Grammerly? Its smarter than a hs English teacher..

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take part in this crypto ubi experiment
bankroll.ml

Can’t find UBI on IDAX, who’s on the dev team?

Abstract cope

UBI is 100% coming. But it won't be ENTIRELY universal. It will have strings attached which will look very much like China's system of Social Credit. Bad goyim will get nothing.

I see this shit on every board, did people just forget how basic economics work?

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If the liberal system does'nt change it will end very bad

>only ad hominems, unintelligible butthurt, wall of text and of course no arguments

>Government paper is a measure of my value
maybe i never had a chance to get on my feet to get the chance to pay for my things in this society

you're talking to bluepilled cucks who would pay for air if a republican could charge them for it

>It will have strings attached which will look very much like China's system of Social Credit.

Won't work in the US. Minorities will cry racism.

Economics don't matter anymore. Get a clue you boomer.

Minorities are the only ones who get approved for welfare in the US anyway, so they already pass all the strings attached

retards
>The argument of UBI is moot. We should focus on how to maximize our wealth before it gets implemented so we are prepared for the massive shitstorm.
THIS is the only important thing. What do you suggest, user?

boomer prepper

>Blocks your narrative

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blah blah blah

Go to bed boomer. No one feels purpose on minimum wage busywork. Watching my old town collapse was the best part of my teenage years. Suddenly smarmy boomer fucks had to come up with ways to be valuable that weren't moving heavy objects or digging and it shocked them, and all that was left was alcoholism and destroying their shit families because they were crutching and had made no investments, took no interest in the world, and no interest in anything and got left high and dry when clean industry moved in.

Imagine thinking the government doesn't have total control over you right now.

a slave by definition is easily replaceable

this pisses me off so much. are you so incredibly stupid that you think that everyone would live in absolute poverty living off of UBI?

plenty of people would still work just to afford that nice car or whatever. all this changes is that now janitors and waitresses would be able to live nicely instead of just living. also, they'd be able to tell their boss to fuck off if working conditions were too poor.

It would inflate prices, retard. Just like subsidized college, housing, and healthcare. You've pumped the economy with $1k free bux a person.

goddamnit, I keep having to explain this to you absolute zoomers.
every slumlord is going to double the cost of rent once they hear their deadbeat tenants are getting a cool grand a month.
the rest of the scumbags with money left over will by iPhones and yeezies.
The number one item americans buy with foodstamps is soda. They actually spend a higher percent of their budget on soda than "conventional" shoppers do.

Americans are too dumb for UBI.

>every slumlord is going to double the cost of rent once they hear their deadbeat tenants are getting a cool grand a month.
but that wouldn't happen. the only thing that happens is that the slumlord and the tenant get more security, tenants will pay every month the rent automatically and the UBI smart contract that monitors both accounts can't be cheated so nobody can get fucked.
makes everyones Life easier.

>the rest of the scumbags with money left over will by iPhones and yeezies.
the UBI system will restrict what you can buy with it.
good behavior will be rewarded and bad behavior will be punished, then the system could automatically redistribute the sanctioned money around to gud goys.

>the UBI system will restrict what you can buy with it.
Nice food stamps bro. I think yang has mentioned you could buy whatever the fuck with it, no questions asked. Could be wrong and have to rewatch that rogan podcast.

>this much cognitive dissonance
>the system will work and landlords won't fuck their tenants because reasons
>actually, it's just cause I say so, that's all
>UBI will have restrictions on what you spend it on
>but i swear it's still 1000 bucks a month cash on the barrel head
>actively advocating for a government regulated social credit system that dictates your livelihood

what the actual fuck

>but that wouldn't happen.

Why won't it happen? Landlords have been raising rents left and right in my area. They know that security comes with the people who can afford the higher rent.

You guys are arguing with a probable highschooler who's never taken an economics class about his economic and political opinions. That makes you the idiots here desu

I don't mind because other retarded yang gangers are going to see this and a few might even start putting 2 and 2 together.

>the system will work and landlords won't fuck their tenants because reasons
every detail is set in a smart contracts that both parties sign. contract can't be fucked with after it is set.
>actually, it's just cause I say so, that's all
no its what blockchain and smart contracts are about.
>UBI will have restrictions on what you spend it on
you could restrict careless spending and reward good spending, which is a good thing
>actively advocating for a government regulated social credit system that dictates your livelihood
its inevitable

>muh yang
it has nothing to do with politicians and whatever they promise or even specific countries like the US.

Universal Basic Income will happen anyway at some point in 2020 - 2030, the tools to make a "government regulated social credit system" like the other user called it, almost all exist now.
Laws, regulations, standards are all moving in this direction for years now, in every country that matters.

>tfw chainline ushers in an unprecedented global orwellian dystopia
Seriously though you need to take an economics class. Just one basic econ 101 class.

You guys realise this is temporary? It's just to let you finish off your lives in comfort until you die childless. This is about reducing the population in an orderly way.

meant chainlink not chainline

Sure didn't help all those people during the mid-20th century who lost their jobs to assembly machines. The only ones who benefit from a robot workforce are the rich porkies. You Yangfags are truly delusional if you can't see that.

>Seriously though you need to take an economics class. Just one basic econ 101 class.
why? what are you trying to tell me? Sure I agree that UBI can't work right now, but technology in the future will enable it because it minimizes a lot of risk.
>tfw chainlink ushers in an unprecedented global orwellian dystopia
why else you think we are all in?
Its backed by all the important kike institutions that currently run the planet.

Yeah but the rich are gonna give the rest of us an allowance because that's just the right thing to do.

People are too dumb for UBI. Even welfare is a stretch. Humans were not naturally programmed to just get shit for existing. They will immediately revert to laziness and stupidity. The children of the rich who are never held to task do the same thing: waste money and time.

>BASIC ECONOMICS DUMBASS NEETBUX WILL NEVER WORK
>everything crashes
>WTF WHERE ARE MY NEETBUX
Screencap this

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>the UBI system will restrict what you can buy with it.
No it wont. Buy hookers and drugs if you want. There is no restrictions.

Well I definitely wouldn't be holding fiat if I didn't have to. You'd want to keep that shit invested to retain as much purchasing power as possible. And buying goods in bulk, preferably stockpiling as soon as we're sure UBI will become a reality.

Then while the rest of the world pays triple price for a chicken breast, you can reinvest your gibsmedats comfortably and hopefully at least protect yourself from losing purchasing power.

>smart contracts
>social rewards system
>spending restrictions on fiat

now you're just making shit up.

>why? what are you trying to tell me?
I'm referring to your idea that smart contracts are a solution to the problem of slumlords raising rents when their tenants get UBI. Econ 101 will tell you why smart contracts would not solve that issue in any way.

>rest of the world
rest of the US.

leaving the country would also be a good option

>implying that's not a good thing
>a world where doing garbage "work" that is only valued by your boomer boss no longer existing is a bad thing

It is a bad thing. It is antithetical to democracy and the existential worth of the individual. Once 5% of the population do all the work, they will decide your life is no longer worth anything and cut you off, and you will die. Or kill you themselves. And you, the pathetic, lazy, welfare addicted hog, will have no recourse. Your idea of the way the world works is exceedingly naive and based in the kind of ignorant comfort only the modern 1st world would afford, this comfort is an anomaly.

>Once 5% of the population do all the work, they will decide your life is no longer worth anything and cut you off
You mean kind of like they are doing now?

This is a meaningless, hyperbolic comment

So is yours.

Thanks for sharing faggot. Run along now and sleep in your piss bottle filled bed, the men are talking.

ok boomer

hop on the gainz train boys!!!

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yes it will, no way they let the entire thing unregulated for long.
restrictions will slowly creep up, thats exactly (((their))) thing.

>smart contracts
they are a crucial part of this entire system

>social rewards system
why do you think they wouldn't introduce this?

>spending restrictions on fiat
your digital fiat in your digital bank account.

>raising rents when their tenants get UBI.
In most civilized countries they have Laws that regulate rent and how much you can raise it.

>In most civilized countries they have Laws that regulate rent and how much you can raise it.
If you took an econ 101 class you could have something to say about the pros and cons of rent control, and how it would interact with UBI. There are excellent free econ courses online if you google around. Stop wallowing in ignorance and learn.