Programming is a GRIND. A degrading waste of time for most people who aren't lucky or own a business where you devote your entire youth into a fake dream that only furthers someone else's career. Even if you "Make it" at any moment you can lose your job and get thrown into bad company after bad company. Where you have no life, no time for friends or hobbies. You have to spend all your free time practicing leetcode, doing open source projects and other nerdy virgin shit while the Chad's are outside slaying pussy all day long.
Programming is the biggest scam in America. Get a regular office job that's 9-5, spend your free time doing w.e you want, instead of unpaid preparation to keep your skillset relevant.
That preparation time is only necessary if you are trying to seek employment in le trendy bay area start ups. Data structures don't massively change. Sorting algorithms don't massively change. C is still the most powerful language in the world. Most companies are still running software built on decades old code and your meme pajeet web academy JavaScript stack isn't going to mean shit. CS jobs can be some of the cushiest in the world outside of the bleeding edge.
William Jackson
>He fell for the programming meme Why don't you go hack google
Ian Sullivan
I don't know. I just got my first dev job. I only work 9-5, sometimes leaving early, often on Thurs and almost always Fri. I'm making $80k (+$6k EoY bonuses) and free catered lunch. The 401K is not vested until 3 years, which sucks, as I'll be gone to a better dev job before then.
Overall, not bad, though. I really love programming and I'm making $86k at my first job doing it. The office culture is kind of soul sucking, but I enjoy what I do and am making enough to save 75% of my earnings, so meh. Enjoy your doomer feels, OP.
Carter Cruz
How did you get the job? I graduated last year with a Bachelors in Computer Science and still can't find a job. In college people were chasing recruiters and fighting over internships. It seems extremely oversaturated. At this rate I'll probably go to optometry or dentist school so I can make $300k a year.
Owen Moore
being programmer who works for clients is job from hell. Anyone who made any successful project by himself can relate
Colton Lee
>I only work 9-5 > I really love programming
Yeah but you don't only program 9-5, that was the OPs point lol.
Grayson Cox
Everything worthwhile is a grind user
Carter Thompson
>not practicing by doing shit that also makes you money and/or is fun I made 6 figures from RuneScape bots
no thats not true. it being a grind makes it not worthwhile if its a grind its not worth it. unless you have slave mentality
Levi Sanders
go do the other things, don't believe his fucking lies when you saw the truth. The reality is that only a small minority is going to make it in this field. And they like to come online to tell everyone how ez it is to be successful. I made $150/hr, but I leave out the fact that I had to no-life to do it. (60+ hours a week of coding, 100+ commits a month on github. 20+ full fledged websites/apps. Studying for interviews every damn week. Going through hundreds of rejections. Having to relocate. The job itself was 9-5, but the work is so hard that the only way to keep it required me to spend extra hours studying on the things I got stuck on.
Daniel Campbell
Devops is the way to go if you: 1. don't love programming 2. are not working at bleeding edge 3. aim to make 6 figs as a corporate engineer while still maintaining some semblance of a life outside of work
Mason Sanchez
Where’s the upvote button
Joseph Long
The one thing that sucks about programming jobs is having to go on call to maintain microservices. At my job it's expected you have to wake up in the middle of the night and stay up to fix crap you didn't even build or know anything about because your team inherited some other team's crap.
Levi Cox
Absolutely related. I was studying web dev when i was 22 an bevame depressed. I coulndt follow c and c+ class (they teached that on the first year, as well as xml and sql on the cmd) I was sick of it. The problem is now im near 30 amd still jobless I want to study sys admin for 2 years and perhaps some cisco cert and apply on every helpdesk job or as a tech support in a shop ANYTHING is better than being a struggling or even mediocre programmer. You get exploited and you bring work home. With helpdesk etc you finish and you are free. Or repairing pcs in a shop. The problem is on sys admin 2 year degree aproved by thr gov there's also some programibg again and i also struggled with creating databases out of texts... and studying at 30 is depressing. I dont know what to do. I want an easy office job but you have to study all that shit first.
Sebastian Watson
>no life, no time for friends or hobbies you're grinding way too hard if your whole life becomes programming
>You have to spend all your free time practicing leetcode, doing open source projects and other nerdy virgin shit You can just learn the jist of Java and Spring and that should be enough to get a pajeet job that you can suck benefits out of.
>doing open source projects Is this a meme? I have never made a public Git commit and I'm still getting offers
Jordan Ortiz
a 9-5 doesnt pay nearly as much as a programming job copypasta from stackoverflow all day long
John Murphy
>Make it >Working
Jonathan Sullivan
Glad I didn’t fall for the programming meme. I run an IT dept but the real technical stuff is handled by an outsourcing company that owns all the network hardware and handles servers and all that. I get to sit around reading and drawing all day and occasionally restart a computer, setup a work station, or take inventory. Sure programming makes better money but if you don’t have side hustles you aren’t gonna make it anyways.
Kayden Carter
programming in of itself is akin to hammer in nails
in a vacuum its meaningless
in the context of constructing useful glorious things its just one of many processes
you cant just be a "programmer", you need to also be a leader, communicator, business person, etc like in anything else in life
I can't imagine an existence worse than that of a wagecuck programmer.
Isaac Young
I feel the exact opposite. Programming is a JOY. A satisfying and rewarding job that is interesting and non-repetative. Job security is extremely high, because your knowledge of the codebase takes months to years to replace. I don't know why you'd need to practice leetcode or doing open source projects in your free time. I'd only so that if I was looking for a job, but then again I feel like recruiters are cold calling me every week, so I'm not too concerned.
I don't understand programmers who think programming is soul sucking and hard to find a job, when I think it's fulfilling and easy to find a job (pic related)
>unpaid preparation to keep your skillset relevant why don't you simply move away from webdev? problem solved
David Cooper
I want to this. What did you study? I want a non mentally taxing 9 5 office job and use my free time to online hustle. I need a real job tho. Im fucking 30 this year Im from spain so it will be 2 years of studying.. fml. Amd i suck ay studying Im too autistic and old to be in a class. I was considering doin it online but i will struggle. I wish i was a studycel that always understands everything.
Justin Diaz
>im too autistic to comprehend even vaguely how or why other people have different interests and abilities then i have
Luis Reyes
the market is saturated. Learn a trade (as plumber/welder / elettrician) these are jobs no one want to do cause they fell for the office job meme
You can run your own business one day and making the same as a programmer, if not more
Mason Green
I like it, never worked for a company tho just created my own projects, get revenue, create more projects, etc.
Jacob Baker
There will always be a demand for programmers, and the demand gap continues to grow. My office is dying to find qualified candidates who will do the job.
Carson Lopez
>am programmer >comfy ~10-~16 job where I work in the missing hours to 40/week whenever I feel like (usually at night) >employer has to give me 2 months notice when firing >double the national median salary, regular >10% raises >play foosball at least twice a day >have plenty of time for gf hobbies and vidya >can actuall use my work knowledge to write simple mods for vidya
Eh, I guess I could have more money in management or sales but programming is kind of fun and I don't have to talk to people outside my office that much.
Ayden Scott
Same here user but it also goes for Project managers, all the new hires so far are constant problems.
Zachary Martin
ITT shit/non programmers
>You have to spend all your free time practicing leetcode >doing open source projects no
but yes if you don't at least challenge yourself a little at work/personal projects it get stale really fast
Christian Allen
lmao forgot I'm on Jow Forums >can write my own trading bots, tools and utilities, knows how to work with exchanges API
Alexander Watson
codelets and normies will never get it
Anthony Williams
user what did u actually know b4 u graduated. I am in crappy school with craptastic teachers, who cant feedback properly. skill level varies drastically, from fuckers who can just do a startup tommorow to if they desire, to people who cant configure jar files the feeling of being shit eats at me. this field is so huge I dont know what to do to actually be prepared.
John Brooks
i spent the free days of my youth programming because thats what i wanted retards that dont want to program should stop doing it
Cameron Edwards
I literally write meme C# code for 85k a year. Walk into my comfy office around ~10:00, write some emails, go to lunch, come back from lunch and code for like 2-3 hours and then leave by 4:00. And I dropped out of college too. Literally life on EZ mode
Jonathan Brown
> he studies leetcode
Go read Knuth. Thank me later.
Alexander Anderson
Programming is fun user. I have met most of my friends through programming. I have had some of my best experiences because of programming. Understanding programming well helped me get into jobs early making lots of bucks, and I really enjoy doing it.
Grayson Allen
ITT: Stupid fucks who think they can learn java in a year and then become senior programmers on 60k+
If you didn't know how to code by time you was 18, then dont become a programmer or you will as good as an outsourced pajeet
Tyler Turner
If you're having a hard time software engineering, switch to IT. It's comfier and easier for people without technical prowess
>t. Cleared $80k my first year out of undergrad script kiddying without working that hard
Jonathan Cook
lol yeah its a total waste, dont learn this BS!! Good post OP
Kayden Gonzalez
Programming is the ONLY way out in todays world. you can literally go from being near broke to building some app or something and becoming set for life. Also, coding is free faggot. There are zero expenses when you want to create something with programming.
Find me one other field that requires zero financial investment to get started.
Mason Baker
That's complete bullshit. And most don't understand programming because they don't understand what a compiler does. Plus their math is usually shit so that doesn't help.
Bentley Nguyen
gotta tell you a secret kids: strongly depends on your environment. can be kickass, can entirely suck balls. there's a big fat chunk of luck you need in the equation and you can't force that. So one way or the other coding might be some easy money or a motherfucking grind that pays only stress and gray hair.
Carson Nelson
Go the optometry route user, you will not regret it.
Nicholas Edwards
I didn't realise that people had to understand logarithmic functions and how compilers turn high-level languages into low level code to build a highly performant api in simple frameworks with orms.
Justin Allen
That's probably the most useful thing you can do if you know how to code, until the crypto market matures more that is then itll be harder to make money this way. Enjoy it while its still early.
Evan Ortiz
>luck not really, just dont suck and move to IT oriented city then post your resume online and you'll have a phone call within a day
Asher Lewis
t. brainlet
Ryder Myers
If you want to build anything that's high performance you really need to know which parts of your code to optimize. Ironically it helps to have a good understand of logs to figure that out. But hey what do I know.
Leo Jenkins
Fuck you. Software development rocks, I wouldn't trade my job for anything. Get gud aka learn2code.
Jack Ward
It's only hard in the beginning. Then chances are you will suffer a lot because you're a nobody and theres a lot of competition. When you have a few years of experience, recruiters will start pursuing on linkedIn like a 9/10 women on tinder and you have all the cards in your hand to negotiate some fat stacks, a car, vacation days,... whatever your priorities are.
Aaron Rogers
I'm only 19 so I don't have any experience in this stuff, but I feel like knowing how to code is like the language of computers and IT. Everything is tech related nowadays, so just connecting some API to some program to automate a certain task could be useful in many jobs or when making your own business. Or even writing a bot to autobuy something that will come out in 24hrs.
Henry Wright
Maybe try doing a simple digital marketing bootcamp for like 2000 bucks, put some cool websites up with some copypasted content and use digma to boost them up and make your own business proving you can build hot websites that get clicks.
Noah Wood
What are the chances of someone at 35 starting to learn how to code and finding gainful employment in a few years? What would it take for that?
Zachary Ward
Hmm, I never had formal education but I also busted my ass for years. I'd say the sky is limit, but account for 100s of hours in learning.
Caleb Green
You forgot 4. Want to carry your laptop with you 24/7 in case of a critical issue 5. Want to get paged on sundays 6. Want to debug issues and help with hotfixes at 3am 7. Want to learn 100 tools which become obsolete every 6 months 8. Work with people
Joshua Cruz
I had 2 friends in college that were around that age. No kidding they worked in mcDo's and the coca cola factory previously. Slow start but very motivated. They have a thriving career now. But that's Europe, I don't know where you can get an affordable well rounded education in the states. You can learn by yourself but then you'll have some blind spots for sure.
Christian James
The people who are best suited to design and implement systems are extremely abstract thinkers. For us, it is banal and repetitive in the same way that a carpenter making a chair isn't that different from a stool, or how working with oak isn't that much more interesting than working with cedar. An abstract thinker will keep reducing the medium until they see just how little has changed in the past 25 years.
Give it long enough to see a couple new paradigms and a few frameworks displacing their predecessors. The whole thing will become so same old that you'll want to throw up in your mouth.
There are always going to be people who genuinely like working with their hands (coders), but they're not programmers. The hackers and engineers, who feel the need to practice and peel back the layers, hit a wall when they realize there's no more truths and theory to learn. That they'll just be applying the same shit and picking up the odd thing that comes along every few years. It's a sad realization when you get bored and realize that you're in applied science and that you'd have probably been better off going theoretical instead of becoming enamored with lego.
Evan Rivera
You gotta stand out, and usually that means a decent project you can show or talk about. Don't tell me you went through 4 yrs of school with no student project worth demoing.
I call bullshit on this. If your job sucks then save up for a year and leave. There is ONE problem with CS and its the fact that ageism is significantly worse than most other professions where gray hairs are valued, so you gotta plan ahead from day one.
Matthew Bailey
This too. You worthless niggers need to read "The Dip" and understand WHY things have value. Scarcity combined with demand motherfuckers. If you're a shader+3d wizard you will command significantly higher wages than your run of the mill javascript webdev
Landon Campbell
does qualified mean "expert in our exact retarded stack and willing to relocate to expensive area for mediocre salary"?
Ethan Perry
Wasn't that pretty much automated with Kubernetes/docker to CD/CI, lol. What is there to do in dev ops nowadays?
Caleb Martinez
>be IT pleb >decide i want to learn to develop software, my small experience with it was interesting and fun as fuck >only way to make it in the field is with a CS degree >halfway through that shit >end up just copy pasting from stack overflow, barely learning anything, depressing as fuck >the only fun stuff was in the first semester >rest is about as interesting as watching paint dry Feels like the only people succeeding in these classes are people whove been writing code as a hobby since middleschool. Maybe this was a needed redpill for me that being a mediocre programmer is depressing and if I cant compete in class what chance do I have for employment
Brody Wilson
What can I do with 3 years of experience as a software engineer?
My current company is the first one I've worked at.
>not becoming a blackhat and making private FUD toolz for only yourself >not making a FUD monero stealth miner with self spreading capabilities >Not reskinning other projects and selling them to skids, or selling DDOS services to said skids Lmao anyone who codes and works a wagecuck job deserves the pain. Coding will literally set you free if you throw away ethics
Jacob Lewis
Actually, no. They don't expect you to know any particular languages, though being familiar with C++, Java, and SQL are a huge plus. Salaries are great, especially for how low the work load is and how chill the environment is. I first started working here during 'crunch' time and had no idea until someone pointed it out to me. It is a data warehouse maintenance role though, so your mileage may vary.
Jayden Moore
Move to BA/PM position. More money, respect and headaches.
Easton Evans
Make 6 figures at an above entry level position. 2-3 years is the magic number for the salary spike
Dominic Taylor
Not everyone is good at coding. Its not a bad career but people need to learn to stick with something they are naturally good at, they'll enjoy their life better. For example, I always walked around circles on everyone in my art classes and I naturally produce good work but the field is fucking cut throat and underpaid. sigh, I wish I was naturally inclined towards coding so I could actually make money... sigh...
Samuel Sullivan
Me pasa algo parecido, y tengo una edad parecida. Yo voy a hacer el grado superior de desarrollo de aplicaciones multiplataforma (online, solo me tengo que presentar a los exámenes de forma presencial), creo que hay un nicho importante de mercado en el tema de las apps y las pequeñas empresas tienen una barrera de acceso. Mi plan es crear una especie de "asesoría de automatización". Crear una infraestructura para e-commerce fácil de aplicar en pequeñas empresas (ej: me voy a la pizzería de mi barrio, les ofrezco hacerles una app para automatizar los pedidos, conectada a una base de datos gestionada y mantenida por mí, les cobro una miseria por desarrollar la app, pero les cobro de forma mensual por el mantenimiento, que es donde está el ingreso grueso).
Joseph Fisher
>tfw chemist out of college >tfw college tuition fees paid so 0 debt >first job is flexi time so can make my own schedule >fixed salary at €45000 which will rise as i stay >free train + bus commute total 30 minutes >live with parents so saving basically all income also no car so no car payments since free transport >have to work minimum 7 hours 30 mins a day mon-fri but if i work extra and accumlate 7 hr 30 min before next period i can take a day off, can accumlate max of 11 hours which is a day off + another half day off >job is literally doing same tests on shit and entering values barely do fuck all >comfy af
my only expenses are literally €20 for internet for phone, €5 for spotify, €250 a year for gym membership i live 5 minute walk from
*college tuition paid for by the government meant to say, i also got monthly allowance from the goverment for college expenses (getting bus etc) which was like €250 + i was working a part time job getting €1400 a month while getting gibs
Parker Adams
Tell me your job title so I can automate it
Lincoln Baker
How would you know if you're bad at it without trying? I hated it and sucked for a whole semester until I put in the time and it suddenly 'clicked'. You have to like problem solving and be willing to put in the time tho.
Christian Jones
desu most shit in it is automated, just have to prep samples and put them in a HPLC/GC system and read the results and write a report
Lucas Thomas
Everything in life worth doing is a "GRIND".
Wtf can u do in life that's easy and also worth it and will have great rewards? Post on Jow Forums and eat cheetos all day?
Nathaniel Morales
I might give it a try but I have the slightest idea of where to start. I made the mistake of trying to get an engineering degree but absolutely hated my life after getting a paid internship, I even had a job lined up out of college. Sometimes you shouldn't fight your nature, but I haven't given coding a chance. Any recommendations user?
Anthony Barnes
yes keep fudding CS frens, you're doing a fine job >laughes all the way to the bank
Juan Torres
grow a pair and learn how to say no to your boss. I refuse to work outside of work hours unless *I* fucked something up.
Since web development has the most jobs, I'd suggest you try >Javascript. It's a hated language and not really easy but it's probably the most fun to learn I think because you can do cool visual shit with it. It's also the only language that is used on all website, combined with others usually. Once you can program in 1 language it's really easy to learn others. As for good resources, I wouldn't know but there's a crap ton out there that you can easily find with a simple google search or a trip to Jow Forums. Or do a bootcamp. If miners can do it, most people can >>> youtu.be/vOWWXMZ641U?t=1
