>They definitely don't deserve half if they havent helped earn half of the money. >You should have to pay child support if they have primary custody. But there should be some sort of system in play to where we know the money is going towards the kid. I feel it should be illegal if the money isnt used to actually support the child. >How is it actually even a thing to where they can acquire your property or assets especially if youve owned it prior to marriage? Or even after if youre the one that paid for it. >The "you dont really love me if you make me sign a prenup" argument.
You would have to find a really worthwhile woman to make marriage not seem like a scam. Are marriage laws different in other countries?
Non-sharia “marriage” is a scam, not to mention illegal before God. > women can’t initiate divorce > only keeps the dowry in case of divorce > no alimony
Kayden Ross
The whole “split everything 50/50" concept is predicated on the assumption that the woman is keeping the domestic sphere ship-shape like a 50s housewife, which, if you've ever lived with a modern woman who doesn't work or works a shit-tier make-work "job," you know is a fucking laugh and a half. >TFW working a serious job with a serious career and making serious money is considered by clownworld governments as being the same as doing 3 hours max of housework and spending the rest of the day on Faceberg and Jewflix
>TFW working a serious job with a serious career and making serious money is considered by clownworld governments as being the same as doing 3 hours max of housework Bro. And thats only up until the kids get old enough to clean or cook for themselves. And how is it that the man has to leave the house most during the break up?
Noah Lee
Wait I thought they could only take half of what you have while married? If you own the house prior to marriage they can still take it?????
Christian Roberts
it's not half of your money it's a third. 1/3 to you, 1/3 to her, 1/3 to the lawyers btw
Daniel Richardson
> are marriage laws different in other countries
Uhh yeah. Dowries and forced marriages are still a thing all over the place.
> But there should be some sort of system in play to where we know the money is going towards the kid. I feel it should be illegal if the money isnt used to actually support the child.
You do not understand just how bad of an idea that would be. Do you really want to track every purchase for every little thing and then argue over whether there is a possibility that item could be used for the child? You can’t afford an attorney for that much bullshit. Further, any competent attorney would be able to show at least a tenuous connection to the child. Literally all the parent receiving support would have to do is say “the entirety of this months support payment went towards rent/groceries/utilities” and they would win.
> How is it actually even a thing to where they can acquire your property or assets especially if youve owned it prior to marriage
That’s called separate property and generally they can’t get it unless you comingled your shit or literally gave it to her. You probably did comingle your shit though if you don’t already know the distinction between community and separate property.
Also, stop getting legal advice from a hungarian basket-weaving forum. I love lurking these threads because the majority of the people in here have no idea what the fuck they are talking about because they are either retarded, or don’t live in the US (same thing really).
Landon Edwards
>>They definitely don't deserve half if they havent helped earn half of the money. The law looks at it as a partnership, with each partner having a 50/50 split. It started when women actually kept a househould operating. Either make her keep the house, or make her work. >But there should be some sort of system in play to where we know the money is going towards the kid. There is. You can demand an accounting of the money. But, it's still padding her available expenses. If you mix paint in a bucket, how do you know which portion painted the kid's room, and which portion painted ex-wife's nails. Child support is part of it. Can't get around it. >especially if youve owned it prior to marriage? Or even after if youre the one that paid for it. Depends on which state you live in. Most states distinguish personal assets from the marital estate. Example: If you own a lakehouse prior to marriage, and you never use rental income to pay marital expenses, it likely stays yours after the marriage. It likely stays yours if you buy it with inheritance money too. Depends on the state.
Gabriel Ross
Wow. Ok cool so less then half. Now is that plus alimony? Am i really suppose to give some chick an allowance after breaking up with her?
Adam Robinson
>3 hours max of housework If you have a couple of kids, there's more than three hours per week of housework. Fuck, just baseball and ballet takes up way more than three hours a week. Laundry, packing lunches, feeding them, dishes, bathing them, cleaning up the toilet seat when they forget to wipe their ass and the slide shit across the seat.
But, I agree that most women don't do this work. It's outsourced to low-IQ daycare workers and maids so the wife can pretend to have a career in human resources.
Tyler Collins
>Now is that plus alimony? Alimony kinda died alongside the women's liberation movement. It's rare. At least in my state.
Kevin Stewart
Alimony generally depends on the situation of the parties and the longevity of the marriage.
30 year marriage and you told her not to work? Yeah, you’re paying alimony
1 year marriage and you both had similar jobs? Probably not
25 year marriage and you’ve created Multi-billion dollar empire with your wife at your side? Yeah, she’s gonna get some shit
A ton of family law is discretionary and results vary depending on the facts and circumstances of the case
Ayden Cox
Also, consider why the system works how it does.
Marriage = a commitment that all your shit will be shared from here on out. You get tax breaks, insurance benefits, all sorts of shit for being married. Many people focus on the egregious cases where celebrities end up paying exorbant amounts of support, but there are just as many situations in the inverse that would be equally stupid. My earlier example (30 year marriage and husband told wife to stay at home and raise kids) would be phenomenally unjust if the husband didn’t have to pay shit to help the ex-wife get back on her feet.
But again, laws vary from state to state (especially family law). Some states like CA are pretty ridiculous quite frankly.
Sebastian Hall
women are the first NEETs don’t be jealous
Eli Gray
I'd say the biggest problem isn't alimony, child support on equitable division of assets, but it is the advent of the no-fault divorce.
Used to, if a woman cheated on her husband, she was marked with a scarlet letter as an adulterous whore. Now, while the husband is working, she can cheat on him because he isn't paying her enough attention. Then, she can decide she wants out of the marriage, and break the partnership and demand and custody of the children and possession of teh house, even though her hands are not clean, and the split is her fault, adn it all gets written up as "irreconcilable differences." It didn't always work that way. Which ever spouse fucked up the marriage got a raw deal in the divorce proceeding. Now, adultery is mostly irrelevant, and treated as a symptom more than a cause.
>Rewind the last 40 years of developments in no-fault divorce if you want to get thots in order.
Jayden Butler
I happen to agree with the public policy behind no-fault divorce. Not a fan of diving that deep into personal lives and shitflinging. Also avoids the whole “I cheated on him because he beat the shit out of me” or other situations. Again, there are certainly scandalous outliers, but overall I think it’s a good policy. I’d be fine with it affecting alimony/spousal support, but even then there can be problems
Angel Parker
Correct. The biased court model was based on the 1950's wife that doesn't exist anymore.
Getting married in today's world is dangerous at best.
Doesn't mean you can't live together or have kids.
Cameron Fisher
Unless your state does common-law marriage or something similar. You can be “married” without actually getting married
Andrew Morales
Common law doctrine of clean hands, my friend. We shouldn't be so eager to discard doctrines that have been refined for a thousand years. Fault wasn't limited to adultery. Physical abuse, abandonment, habitual intoxication were on the list too. The abused cheating whore in your example can assert the affirmative defense of abuse.
With that said, I don't do any domestic work. I assumed the whole thing was a shitflinging session. Whenever you hear about a lawyer getting shot on the courthouse steps, it's almost always a divorce lawyer. Ambushing men with PFAs and taking their kids away from them and locking them out of their house without notice or due process is a dangerous game.
Carter Roberts
Wrong. Google it.
Christopher Kelly
Right but the fact that you have to argue clean-hands is the part I don’t like. Opens family law up to even more intimate bullshit that the courts don’t need to get involved in. Family law is essentially shitflinging, but showing fault in a divorce would take it to a whole new level. May be appropriate in divorces w/ no kids, but nobody wants a detailed description of their mother’s infidelities to be a public record. Besides, I’m not old enough to have practiced before faultless divorces but my understanding is that you were fucked if you didn’t have a reason for divorce, which would be incredibly stupid in this day and age.
I’m biased, but family law attorneys get a bad rap. Similar to everything else, you only really here about the egregious cases. Besides, everyone shits on family law because it’s an easy target and they don’t know shit about the foundations of the law or family law principles. You get a ton of people like OP that basically go “why is she getting half my stuff and child support REEEEE” (even though OP was technically a hypothetical)
Carson Allen
I’m right. Google it.
Although the obvious caveat here is *depends on your state or jurisdiction*
Anthony Flores
>told her not to work Is that a thing? Ive always felt stay at home until the kids gets old enough to go to school then back to work. Are there really dudes out there that just want to pay for everything in the whole family? Agreed. If you put yourself in that position then yea you should help her get on her feet but shouldnt her part of the settlement(depending on the amount) be enough? And is keeping up someones life style a thing? Like with the rich, is there man really expected to keep her in fancy stuff? And how does common law work in regards to a "divorce". I had a friend who lived with a chick for like 7+ years bought a fixer upper and the whole 9. He fixed the house himself cause thats the line of work he's in. And then they breakup and she just got to stay in the house and hes with his mom. That cant be fair right?
Carter Rivera
Spousal support. Thats the term i was trying to figure out. How common is it to where the woman has to pay the man? Is that even a thing?
Jacob Rogers
> Is that a thing? Ive always felt stay at home until the kids gets old enough to go to school then back to work. Are there really dudes out there that just want to pay for everything in the whole family?
Not so common in younger generations. But not entirely uncommon when doing divorces with older people
> If you put yourself in that position then yea you should help her get on her feet but shouldnt her part of the settlement(depending on the amount) be enough? And is keeping up someones life style a thing? Like with the rich, is there man really expected to keep her in fancy stuff?
If you settle a divorce case generally you consider support relative to what the spouse is getting. For example, it’s not uncommon for a spouse to take less or no support for a larger lump sum and vice versa. You can really do anything in a settlement. As for the high-profile cases, that’s a different ballgame and can be a lot more discretionary.
> And how does common law work in regards to a "divorce". I had a friend who lived with a chick for like 7+ years bought a fixer upper and the whole 9. He fixed the house himself cause thats the line of work he's in. And then they breakup and she just got to stay in the house and hes with his mom. That cant be fair right?
If you are found to be in a common law marriage or committed intimate relationship or whatever your state does, it functions as any other marriage. Instead of proving you were married by providing your marriage cert. you have to show why the court should consider your relationship (or not consider) as a marriage. Generally, the factors are things like: length of the marriage, comingling of assets, cohabitation, holding yourselves out as married etc. Basically, if you acted as a married couple and your state has CL marriage, the court can consider your relationship as a marriage and divide assets as such
Landon Williams
Common enough. Times they are a changin. Spousal support = alimony essentially btw
