If your assets don't generate cash flows then you aren't investing, you are speculating/gambling.
If your assets don't generate cash flows then you aren't investing, you are speculating/gambling
Christopher Bell
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Mason Morgan
well duh, trading is a work that generates cash flow.
Dylan Scott
>boomer
Nice talking shit when he was able to buy and sell shit at the beginning of a revolution. If you had Microsoft stocks or whatever you would also be rich now.
Mason Myers
Non argument. If you had apple stocks in 2008 you would have been rich aswell.
William Peterson
>same old same old
These things have a value, because people give it value. If today we would stop using Microsoft and say that it is shit then the stocks would plummet. Stop talking like a goyim.
Lincoln Reed
Half the companies that go public are worthless and don't generate shit like Lyft
Lucas Peterson
Trading is a negative sum game when you consider fees. The vast majority of traders lose money. A tiny fraction of poker players can beat the rake too, but that doesn't mean poker isn't gambling.
There's nothing wrong with speculation, but people on here talk about crypto like it's investing all the time. There's no inherent reason why crypto should increase in value over time. Especially not if you think crypto and the financial markets have a neutral/negative correlation.
Camden Nguyen
>nothing wrong with speculation
>most go broke fast
>the rest go broke slow
Thomas Butler
I'm talking about asset classes, not specific assets. As long as investors are risk averse (i.e. risk premiums are positive), stocks as an asset class will increase in value over time.
Stocks as an asset class have intrinsic value because of their future dividends/buy backs. Your Microsoft shares have economic value even if no one is willing to buy them. The same can't be said about crypto currencies, FIAT currencies and commodities. Which is why there's no such thing as crypto "investing". It's a pricing game, not a valuation game.
Lyft generates plenty of cash flows. The stock price is the market consensus of the present value of all future cash flows Lyft will generate. An asset doesn't have to be generating profits at the moment to be valuable.
Parker Perez
based and redpilled. but consider this.
What happens when you can loan your crypto and earn cash flows on that asset.
Anthony Ward
god you're a genuine retard
Angel Nelson
Then the loan is an investment, not the crypto. Bonds are denominated in FIAT currencies, but that doesn't make FIAT currencies investments.
You might wanna have a basic understanding of finance before calling someone else a retard. Google what a "cash flow" is. Then have a look at your image.
Jacob Green
OP here, changed IP.
Noah Russell
What are the alternatives to paypal? Are they easy to use?
David Carter
Kinda off topic but you can use a service like transferwise.
Camden Rivera
Tell me how a slip of paper that says you owe 0.000000000001% of a widget factory "generates cash flows." Actually, you don't even have that, you have digits on a screen that say you own one trillionth of a widget factory. Go ask you broker to send you the actual stock certificate, see how far you get.
And then a company for which you own stock has no legal obligation to profit share, allow you any say in the direction of the company, or otherwise give any tangible value to the stock you own (except when its bankrupt and valueless). On the other hand if the company goes into debt or commits crimes shareholders aren't liable or owe anything.
That's why a stock in 2019 is just a made up digital asset loosely related to a company which can manipulate it supply by diluting or buying back shares. You can buy 1 trillionth of a widget factory and the next day the company can print another trillion shares and now you own only 1/2 trillionth of a widget factory.
When you buy shares you finance the company in a way but this is no different from crypto companies that sell tokens. A stock doesn't "generate cash flows" its just a public financing medium, no better than crypto in that regard, but worse than crypto because its not as transparent, audible, and are arbitrary manipulated by the company. Crypto is a real asset just as much as stocks are.
Jonathan Ward
cashflow is the biggest joke of this century, and it amazes me zoomzooms born after the web bubble crashed still fall for it
>build service startup
>take VC money
>sell services at slight loss to show cashflow
>take more VC money
>expand, still operate at a loss, gain marketshare for the monopoly meme
>take more VC money
>no path to profitability, just IPO
>exit on IPO
>repeat with new startup
it used to be companies at least lied about their business model. now they plainly say "we've got no idea how to make this profitable"
all propped up by fake money from QE, and morons think they're investing in "assets". laughable
Ethan Hughes
Sorry, I don’t have time to write a long reply, I’m heading out. Shares/stocks are legally binding contracts. You don’t have to be able to influence a company for its stock to be a profitable investment. In general, large shareholders and management will work to maximize shareholder value as it (usually) is in their own best interest. I never said crypto currencies aren’t real assets, they definitely. I simplied argued that it doesn’t make much sense to talk about “investing” in crypto currencies.
I never said anything about Lyft being a good investment if that’s what you referring to. I’m talking about the stock market as a whole. Over the long run stocks will net a positive return because of risk premiums. There’s no inherent reason why cryptos should increase (or decrease) in value over time. That doesn’t mean you can’t buy crypto as a speculative bet.
William Ortiz
my investment generates cash flow from sergey to mcdonalds bitch
Xavier Scott
Bitcoin
James Young
this. i hate how boomers are worshipped as financial wizards. they were literally just spoiled trust fund babies who grew up in the golden age of capitalism where making millions was as easy as breathing air.
Brayden Turner
berkshire hathaway pays 0 in dividends
Grayson Cooper
Is Warren Buffet actually even a good investor? It just seems like he’s a boomer faggot who was able to buy some companies back in the day when they were starting up and made money when they got bigger. He didn’t start any real business of his own like Bill Gates did. He wasn’t even able to see what was going on in the 2008 financial crisis unlike Dr. Mike Burry who was able to predict and effectively time it to make money. Also Buffets advice seems like bullshit. But blue chips and wait 40 years? What’s the point of having money if you’re an old fuck shitting in diapers and just throwing all your money at doctors for medicines and shit?
Austin Powell
who is talking about lyft? the business plan i outlined is literally what most startups have followed since 2008, be it twitter, linkedin, uber, airbnb...
cashflow as a concept made sense before QE went overdrive and the whole stock market is pumped by a tech industry that is 100% reliant on fake metrics
now? it's just delusion, hoping it will go up forever
ironically, the crypto moonkids who do have even less knowledge of finance will be comparatively unscathed, if they have enough sense to weather the storm
Jordan Cox
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William Lewis
>Trading is a negative sum game when you consider fees.
i agree generally speaking there are a few winners and a lot of losers tho. git good.
Charles Myers
All women are whores.
Julian Scott
He's a scrooge McDuck. Both made their wealth by discplined investing. And both sit on piles of cash that they don't do anything with except make more money.
Asher Gray
hes the most successful investor of all time
Ayden Nelson
yeah he's a real mofo. read his book, nigger.