Is communism the best economic system?

>our current system is going to destroy all life on earth

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That's Marx in a nutshell - the non-straw man version

The problem is you believed it

b-b-b-b-ut that wasn't real communism...

>projecting belief in Ideologies

But that wasn‘t real communism

But that wasn't real communism

iT WiLl wOrK ThIs tImE

The increase of productivity induced by the more and more high tech machines will make production almost as efficient as the natural forces are.

Human labor will not be necessary anymore to produce. Production will be available directly, without the necessity to work.

Of course this mean no more profit, thus the fall of capitalism.

It is paradoxical that the increase of productivity mean the end of capitalism, but it what is happening and will happen.

WOKE

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but thats wasn't real communism

We don't care about your political values. We will make money off you regardless. Same players, different board

the best economic system is deportation of shitskins from the first world, and eventually eradicating the world-ending problem that is overpopulation among subhumans

Communism is one of the most primitive forms of human organization. You could be right only if what you are implying is that society will revert to a pre-agriculture semi-nomadic way of life

Revolutionary Catalonia.

But yeah, you'll have to read the wikipedia page. Life is hard sometimes.

>When you try to find a communist state that didn't kill millions of its own citizens

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The fact that you can't choose it implies a totalitarian state.

>muh iron-fisted "committee" and violent witch hunts is real communism

Retard

econfaculty.gmu.edu/bcaplan/spain.htm

>When ignorance is not even due to a difficulty to access knowledge, but a choice and a laziness.

Oh because the Spanish republic (republic = capitalism preferred political system), was so much better.

In any case revolutionary Catalonia wasn't a perfect form of communism, but it still worked for about a year.

But you're right, capitalism is so respectful of human life. Especially during the 20th century. Only joy and peacefulness.

Wikipedia is a propaganda website whose content is shat up by paid lobby trolls and other types, though. Just read politics-oriented articles like the one about feminist porn and co. Or look at how youporn declares itself as being extremely philanthropic. Do you really expect neutrality in a Wikipedia article about economic models? Your naive nature is killing me. You are too cute.

Yes. Next question.

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In heaven yes , on earth no

BUT THAT WASN'T REAL COMMUNISM.
It really wasn't because real communism assumes that people are not greedy, which they are.
You will never achieve pure communism with humans.

>Anything that I don't agree with is propaganda.
>Can't even post the alternative source that you believe in.

Typical

Communism only works as long as it doesn't involve more than 2 people.

It doesn't even work at that level. Try having a roommate.

Good dammit you nerds are insufferable.

I know wikipedia doesn't talk about certain aspect of the WWII. What happened or on the contrary didn't happen. Same for 9/11, and other cultural shit.

However, on historic or scientific topics, it is an OK source of information. Some are better but that the point of wikipedia, inform yourself about a topic quickly.

Another guy who don't know were he comes from. It is so much frustrating.

Yes they were communist (pic related). And nobody knows about it.

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Communism was invented in the 19th century. Retroactively labeling ancient people communists don't make them communists.

Ok you are the stupidest ITT.

Primitive tribes, from -300000 (birth of homo sapiens) to -12000 BCE (neolitic revolution), don't know private property, money, government, hierarchy, the State, laws etc...

This is known as primitive communism.

Nice try, propagandist. Now you're changing your subject from germanic tribes to neolithic people. How the fuck do you how their society worked? Regardless of how their society was like, you're just pigeon-holing them into your Marxist definitions. It's no different than dead people "voting".

Communism wasn't "invented". WTF are you talking about?

Private property, on the other hand, was invented.

Mercantile society reverse everything. War is peace, work is freedom, men are women, gay is the norm, heterosexual is the anomaly.

That's why people think that there was always money, private property, hierarchy, when in fact it's the opposite. Most of human history, there was no such things.

Good. I'm going to Mars to form an ethnostate. Keep your niggers and jews.

I'm not a propagandist. I'm in no political or activist structure of any kind.

We know how their society worked because of something called anthropology.

In any case, there are still some primitive tribes around the world. Go see if they use money, private property, have hierarchy, laws etc...

>t. Luddite

Post scarcity is a meme and you're still going to have to get a job, nigger.

>they ended up with massive inefficiencies are resorted to using ration coupons also known as fucking money

Enjoy you chains, slave.

If you want everybody to be poor and live in desperation, it is

>cavemen and barbarians were communists which is why the best warriors in the tribe got the best weapons, tools and women
>I know this sounds like capitalism, but it was really communism because most people are too stupid to think about this for more than a second and those are the kind of people I market to

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Enjoy poverty.

Capitalism is the private property of the means of production you dumb-fuck.

It appeared in the 13th century CE.

>private property in the 13th century CE

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it's better than the feudal system that's propagated by a republic pretending to be democratically elected

Was does poverty even means if there is no private property.

Go buy the new iphone, alienated plebeian.

hahaha of course he's from Catalonia.
Yeah it worked for a year because a year isn't long enough for the means of production to start deteriorating due to lack of maintenance or for the talent to go to countries where they get rewarded for innovation.
Or for the long-term fuck-ups caused by a centralized economy, like Mao's genius thirty-year plan.
Bet you were born in a rich family like all catalan 'defenders of the people'

Yes before capitalism which began in the 13th century in western europa there was something called feudalism.

But i guess you are ignorant of this as well and think that capitalism exist since thousands of years.

socialism is for people capitalism is for sociopaths

"talent", "innovation" how am i impressed...

and you people have the nerve to criticize boomers. You're just like them but hating the generation before you that's all.

There is no economy is communism. Only production for the needs of the people.

Jeez, i know education suck big time in america, but you could try to educate yourself a little bit.

Clearly it's not that bad since China is the largest population still.

>he thinks feudalism was the only system ever

Dark ages were only a part of history, brainlet. Also there was private property, just all belonged to the King generally speaking. Rome very much so operated in a capitalist fashion. Certainly not communism. Literally every tribe or civilization of note had competition with plenty of have and have nots.

>China is communist

Yeah like america, france or england are "democracies".

no economy is right. No one has a clue about demand and supply, because there's no market, and because of it the centralized authority constantly underestimates or overestimates the two.
Leading to the obvious famines and waste inherent in communism.

But by all means go read your Engels and Marx.

>Literally every tribe or civilization of note had competition with plenty of have and have nots.

Yeah because for retards like you and most of other brainwashed humans, human history began with the neolitic revolution, 12000 BCE. In reality it is hundreds of thousands years old, and didn't know private property or hierarchy.

You are the definition of what is a human alienated by private property.

USSR is state capitalism. Even Lenin admitted this in the begining of the 1920s before dying.

Anthropology is only as accurate as the evidence available.

That primitive tribes don't have hierarchies is just an assumption you make. The Native Americans have tribal councils. Their headdresses are a symbol of prestige.

Many primitive tribes use sea shells as a form of money. The Yap tribe uses giant stones for transactions.

Primitve tribes can have an idea of private property and law, though it's simpler. Look at the North Sentinel Island tribe as an example. Even if it's unwritten, they have a law against outsiders tresspassing on their property, which is death.

Even animals have the concept of a hierarchy. Alphas get first dibs on food and mates while the betas get sloppy seconds.

What conclusion can we make based on what we know about history? Large societies can't exist using only primitive systems of economy and governance.

>still pushing this falsehood that early man did not take ownership of things

Why are communist niggers even on my Jow Forums board?

yeah didn't he suggest a reform allowing some power back to the industrialists towards the end? Was starting to see the light, huh?
Too bad comrade Stalin fucked it all up.

>be america
>engage in slave markets
>kill natives off land to claim property rights
>have bigger prison population than soviet union, communist china and north korea.
>habitually overthrow democracies, that don't rule themselves the way we want.
>routinely slaughter nations that nobody can find on a map, either out of greed or irrational paranoia.

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>In reality it is hundreds of thousands years old, and didn't know private property or hierarchy

The concept of private property and hierarchy began as soon as humans knew how to kill each other.

smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/ancient-brutal-massacre-may-be-earliest-evidence-war-180957884/
latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-earliest-known-murder-victim-20150526-story.html

Fun fact: America hasn't been capitalist in a very long time.

Also slave markets were run by Jews and fuck the injuns.

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Almost as if they were killing to take ownership of resources. buuuuuuut wait, the faggot in this thread told me they were communists.

>smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/ancient-brutal-massacre-may-be-earliest-evidence-war-180957884/

Oh nice, just 2000 years AFTER the neolithic revolution. Probably just hoarding private property doing massacre after this concept was invented.

About the 2nd link, of course war existed before the neolitic revolution, but it was not for property, but women, or land. But it was not to hoard gold, jewels or shit like that. Those things didn't matter.

>that wasn't real communism
you do realize your using that very same cop out

>That primitive tribes don't have hierarchies is just an assumption you make. The Native Americans have tribal councils. Their headdresses are a symbol of prestige.

>Many primitive tribes use sea shells as a form of money. The Yap tribe uses giant stones for transactions.

About those, it happened after the neolitic revolution, those primitive tribe were/are not pure anymore. If they practise exchange of goods, they are not pure primitive tribes. Exchange of goods simply don't exist in primitive tribes in their original form (E.G: primitive tribe in current amazonia, Aboriginal in Australia).

It you guys who are trying to cope by saying our current mode of production was always like that.

Simply said, you are projecting.

>but it was not for property, but women, or land

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Just see a good documentary about primitive tribes. There are lots on youtube. Tell me if their way of life about property, hierarchy, work, ressemble what we have in our current society.

Except its not. Central banking is literally a plank of communism.

>5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

Why do you faggots think ancaps and libertarians were literally the first into bitcoin? If you have a central authority that literally controls the means of trade (money), then you have a central planner for the economy. Sound familiar?

Do you want to live like them?

>ancaps and libertarians

There is no ancaps, libertarians, socialist, bolchevism (state capitalism), fachism, royalism.

There is only the exchange of goods. Production for profit: capitalism. And it's opposite: production for needs: communism.

Enjoy exploiting other or being exploited, cuck.

No. I want to live in superior communism. Production not for profit, but for the needs, but with modern technology of course.

I exploited your mother's pussy last night, if ya catch my drift.

I would have heard it since i'm a NEET.

In any case, her dogs would have ripped you in half.

I ripped her asshole in half. She's such a dirty little whore, that mother of yours.

Central Banking was necessary to prop up the reserve scam we called the gold standard that dates back to the crusades. The Templar were not communists. But they were central bankers.