Both proejcts offer a good study in psychology. Looking at Vechain's subreddit a lot of them have woken up, but there are still true believers. Jibrel's telegram is all but abandon, but the stragglers are either pissed off or complete deluded. Here's a gem I grabbed for your reading pleasure "In general; everybody needs to calm down. Jibrel is doing well although it's true that they have difficulties to bring utility to the token because of regulations. But I'm confident that they will manage to do so at some point. These are serious people with a serious project."