People don't realise that many of the OG bitcoiners have been working on many projects to put on to the protocol for many years and have just been waiting for a time when the protocol was stable so they knew where they stood. The pace of development in the BSV space isn't a result of furious dev work, but moreso it locking down the protocol has given these dude with 10 years of building a foundation to release their work on. I tell people the metanet plan and they go ohh pfft pie in the sky, it will take 10 years to build that, not realising those 10 years have already elapsed. BitDB, Bottle, Planaria, bitstagram, Chronos, ANNE, Neon Genesis: this is only the tip of the iceberg for what's going to be released as we go to 2GB blocks in July and unbound by Feb.
Awesome hey. Yeah you can pay to save images, or if the images were uploaded to the chain as the server to begin with then they just have to >>txID and the archive will call from the chain when displaying the etched page.
Cooper Thomas
Ikr
People have no idea how powerful the real BTC is
There is no need for Ethereum, or any other shitcoins
Literally
BTC (bsv) is unironically the only thing that matters
It makes ethereum look like it was built by some autistic weeb oh wait....
I have 300k stinkiest and was avoiding bsv because I was worried I'd have to give up 60k to get 1k bsv.
210 bsv is like... A mere suicide stack. Can I really make it with just 210 bsv?
Dominic Rodriguez
Btw, what are you folks using for a hardware wallet?
Connor White
My phone/PC.
Gabriel Wilson
The standard arguments for holding all stand for BSV. It's the real bitcoin after all.
That being said, I am compelled to tell you that you should not try to be "the new elite".
Bitcoin is about getting rid of the world of elites who do not need to work because of proof of stake and proof of social media. AKA rent-collectors and mind manipulators.
Be useful for Bitcoin. If you can do that at such an early stage. You will free yourself from your chains.
Also, hardware wallets are a scam. You don't need them and you actually lose a little security. Use a good brain wallet for best uncensorability.
>Be useful for Bitcoin. >If you can do that at such an early stage. >You will free yourself from your chains.
I mean, I don't mind being a neet who spends some amount of my time building on bsv. Tbh, that would be fuckin awesome.
But i legally can't do that while working for a big tech (FANG) company that owns everything I create, and I need to get paid if I'm going to maintain my $300k/yr Manhattan lifestyle. :/
210? I'm still hesitant to pull the triger because of so much fud and hate towards CSW (he doesnt make it easy to like, or trust him), I am seeing the potential, and it is the bitcoin that the white paper promised. user, tell me another reason to buy, I already have 200, but if this is the real bitcoin, then I would buy 1000.
Logan Watson
Damn these SV threads are depressing. These people don't know they're all in on a dying project. Cringing at my computer here.
Jeremiah Martinez
forget CSW and look at the rest of the project
Christopher Rodriguez
are you that dense?
they are the only ones with working products NOW
everything is is garbage man
Lucas Nelson
ledger nano or trezor with electrumsv
Charles Ross
It's interesting to think of it's distance from (0,0,0) increases faster as it gains values in each dimension. It has +1 on x, y, z. If it had just (1,1,0) the length of the line to bitcoin would be √2, but as it becomes (1,1,1) it then has a length of √3 from the origin. You could probably add another dimension of objective temporal resolution to it and give bitcoin a 1 in that domain too.
David Walker
Then bide your time, learn everything. The time will come when you can make the jump. You can decide then.
2GBs by July. 6 Patents approved already, many more in the works. A community you can't pay to be a part of.
Take your csw glasses off and put on the business glasses.
" “Security through a Personal Device and Determined Common Secret,” which through the use of a biometric (think fingerprints) smart card allows for greater ease of use and security in passports / personal identification cards, communication channels, payments, or file encryption."
>The race to file blockchain patents has accelerated lately with one specific firm, Nchain Holdings, attempting to capture hundreds of distributed ledger-related patents. According to reports, self-proclaimed Satoshi – Craig Wright – and his Nchain business claim to have filed 666 patent applications to date, capturing a gigantic portfolio of intellectual property.
Samuel Long
literally took my idea from 2015
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
Ian Clark
Just wait and see after the coingeek conference what presenters like the general manager of SBI investments the or CEO of DRIVE markets says. There's some really big things happening behind the scenes. Listening to shadders' interviews and he says there is no doubt in his mind they are going to be able to fully unlock the protocol for unbound blocks by Feb. Onchain games like chronoverse or such, tokenizeable ingame bits and pieces tradeable as your assets, onchain sports betting for onchain game results with play by play replays on chain. It's gonna be an absolute beast in all domains. It is an economy of scale. Computation/ram/storage/propagation/rebdering all done by people who invest hundreds of thousands of dollars in state of the art hardware because they are economically incentivised through trying to get an edge on their competitors to collect tx fees.
Christopher Taylor
Amazon didn't actually patent POW, they patented some technologies regarding the generation of merkle trees. Their plans are to make a managed blockchain service. Similar to how they use AWS to help people build websites, they want to help people build blockchains.
The problem is that there is no market for ten billion blockchains. IMHO DESU.
Anyways, it's interesting to see Amazon's approach.
this channel is comfy. everyone get in. haters welcome.
Easton Long
>Don't even wanna shill, BSV lovers get in here. then gtfo
Jordan Bennett
when somebody is telling you he is satoy so you should listen to him but declines to show any proof he is scamming you. brainlets
Levi Murphy
my thread my rules have you ever considered that I think craig wright is a smart guy regardless of whether he is satoshi? unless you care about his court case, it doesn't matter.
His patents are patents regardless of whether he is satoshi. His business models make sense whether or not he is satoshi.
If you lock to protocol it doesn't matter who is or isn't satoshi. That is the point of bitcoin. it doesn't run on volunteer ancap devs. It runs on human nature.
>have you ever considered that I think craig wright is a smart guy regardless of whether he is satoshi? then you are an idiot sv locking in the original protocol is as far from reality as stalins system from heaven
Carson Torres
you gusy help me normalize my blood pressure in the morning woth your stupid bullshit
Austin Bennett
well I am happy that I gave you a smile. Thanks and don't let the thread hit you on the way out ;)
Nicholas Anderson
oh this is not a smile more like a cup of rage
Adrian Cook
How is locking the protocol to 0.1 anything at all like the central planning we see on Core? SV is just going by the whitepaper and letting Bitcoin be Bitcoin.
Kevin Butler
I guess one could say your jimmies... are rustled. Thanks for bringing this one out of retirement. In this day of cynical trolls, I really love engaging with one of the old timers.
my jimmies are rustled that anyone would fall for these blatant scams indeed there are 50 shitforks of bitcoin but only one has pretentions on being the original and shills forgetoshi 24/7
Justin Edwards
COPE / bargaining begins
Owen Myers
my dude, I know there is a lot of data out there saying that CSW is a fraud. Believe me I looked through all of them. Do you know what else I did? I also looked through all the counterarguments to the data.
Don't get mad about it. I might be wrong, but I have done my research. I, personally, have many reasons to both believe and not believe csw is satoshi.
Bitcoin SV is the real Bitcoin. This is absolutely clear to me if you read the whitepaper and look at the protocol. Simple shit user.
>Bitcoin SV is the real Bitcoin While it's true, I sometimes wonder if it'll even matter. Most people don't understand this stuff at all and will follow the herd. They'll go to Coinbase, buy BTC and never move it off the exchange or they will move it and just gamble on shitcoins.
There is no actual adoption in crypto. The social media stuff isn't ever going to take off, or at least it won't be the killer app for Bitcoin (besides money). What needs to happen is businesses using Bitcoin to facilitate portions of their business, quicker, cheaper and safer than systems they already use now.
Aiden Wright
don't miss the forest for the trees user.
this is what a lot of crypto fans miss. This is still the early stages. There are a lot more people who don't know BTC than people who think bitcoin sv is a fraud. Once perception changes, it's going to change very quickly. Everything that is "mainstream" on cryptoland is going to be poof.
>but I have done my research apparently not or you have abysmal standards for evidence
Michael Young
>I sometimes wonder if it'll even matter. Most people don't understand this stuff at all and will follow the herd well hello you are starting to get bitcoin but still a bit fuzzy on the concept
Julian Gonzalez
I understand Bitcoin well. People buying something because the price goes up is not Bitcoin. That's all BTC has going for it since it has no utility.
Josiah Garcia
no you don't you don't seem to understand that bitcoin is first and foremost consensus.
Jack Fisher
If BTC was not the "reserve currency" of all these gambling bucket shops, would you think it has any value?
If you heard that a group of developers changed the protocol from the one described in the whitepaper, and you didn't know that I was talking about Bitcoin, won't you raise an eyebrow?
At least, enough to maybe consider, maybe, just maybe, we aren't being scammed or paid to shill?
alts are a meaningless distraction for now. some of them may have useful development for the future but no they do not give btc value in fact they dilute the market cap.
Bentley White
If calvin ayre would have just promoted sticking to the plan and using nChain as the developers with out dipshit craig, then he probably would have done well. This craig thing has really fucked bsv up. The other talking point they promote, which is institutional adoption, is also a waste. If banks started using bsv they would absolutely create a darkpool/sidechain deal for it which would mean the banks would still fuck everybody over.
the banks don't want any money they don't control. if they adopt crypto they will make their own. it's pointless to speculate on "institutional adoption" beyond futures and etfs.
what most people don't understand is what gives crypto value to us being trustless and permissionless is what makes it worthless to bankers. look at sap, they are working on creating a trustful permissioned blockchain technology that is useful. they are not interested in crypto or any public project they don't fully control.
Jordan Harris
Craig himself has promoted this as a system that is friendly to banks and whatnot if I understood correctly. An ETF is basically a darkpool/sidechain in and of itself. The banks will eventually destroy all cryptos. Craig obviously doesn't cry about the fuckery that goes on at CME or the LBMA though as much as he does the crypto exchanges. I understand that there is probably fuckery at the crypto exchanges but not nearly as bad as primary dealer banks.
Leo Martin
>An ETF is basically a darkpool/sidechain in and of itself. no it's not. it's a trustful permissioned legal construct. has nothing to do with crypto. >The banks will eventually destroy all cryptos. they can't that's the point.
Lincoln Diaz
It can and would be used functionally as a sidechain. You misunderstand how shares in ETF's are essentially created or how banks use their assets.
ETF's will eventually happen and they will fractional reserve the shit out of cryptos. The bucket shop shit craig whines about will be increased 1000x if the banks start margin trading operations for cryptos.
Joshua Parker
>craig thing has really fucked bsv up Says the blockstream shill with 9 posts in this thread about craig, who is living rent free in your head 24 hours a day despite every effort you have tried to rid yourself of him
>learning web dev >planning to make projects for bsv Who else here /futureproof/?
Nathan Jenkins
A large wallet could be used as a centralized pool. Receipts off of that pool could essentially function as a way to get off any chain altogether. One of the points made about bsv is that everything would stay on chain and force transparency. I'm saying it's easy to bypass that.
Logan White
>s and have just been waiting for a time when the protocol was stable so they knew where they stood I read this in an indian accent
Grayson Sullivan
>Craig himself has promoted this as a system that is friendly to banks and whatnot if I understood correctly.
Good. As someone who has for a long time been "fuck banks", having read Craig's posts I am now thinking about it a bit deeper and can see that banks do in fact provide useful access to liquidity and aren't inherently bad in and of themselves. In that sense, I welcome any bank that wants to use the bsv blockchain as a immutable data ledger and to run a good honest business on there. In time though, finance will probably move to an equity based model rather than a debt based model so even usury or something like that may eventually be unable to compete with the economic activity of an equities based economy.
BSV (bitcoin) will destroy dishonest banking. Dishonest banking will bitch and moan and probably even go so far as to route money through companies such as digital currency group to propagandise the community in to taking a course of action that turns bitcoin into something favourable. They'd probably even go so far as to collude with criminal organisations like bitfinex, tether, binance whom wish to perpetuate an economy without quality record keeping so that they can facilitate money laundering for cartels who keep their pockets lined.
You have been bamboozled in to thinking Craig is the enemy. The dishonest banks, pnd exchange operators (that live hotel to hotel room, registered out of malta and no fixed premises for the business), scam artists like buterin who fleeced people of millions of dollars with fraudulent ICOs while posing as a fucking arm chair economist on twitter.
You don't want to live in a world where crypto exchanges that trade billions or even trillions of dollars without any kind of KYC requirements. You do realise the type of people that will be laundering money through those exchanges right? You do realise the amount of corruption that can be enabled through such money laundering, embezzlement, fraud, tax avoidance?
Henry Hughes
yeah but its not a chain at all
Camden Long
I get what you're saying, but Craig and Calvin both live away from their home countries, just like CZ, and aren't exactly people that I would trust either. They are the stove calling the kettle black.