Why the FUCK do people decide to have kids...

why the FUCK do people decide to have kids? I’m 25 and can’t imagine ever being married to a leaching whore and having to pay 2 grand a month for daycare. It would suck all the happiness out of my life. I don’t understand how anyone could cope with the utter SUCK of parenthood, all your time and money going down the drain.

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Same here but just wait until all the seething Jow Forumscucks enter this thread, call you a Jew and start shilling marriage and parenthood.

Honestly, having kids after you are financially secure, experience and such when you are over 40 is probably not a bad idea. But in your 20's it seems like a great way to ruin your life financially and waste your youth. Seems like a nightmare scenario.

i have a kid and i dont pay 2k a month.

enjoy being the richest corpse at the graveyard.

"when you are over 40"
I was going to say "enjoy having retarded kids" but I then realised that would happen no matter what age you breed at.

Enjoy being a depressed alcoholic during Christmas in your 60s.

Over 40 is way too old. 35 max

Another insincere little Jow Forumsshit trying to make people FOMO into a marriage and children scenario.

The childs health comes 95% from the mother. You could be an 80 year old dinosaur and if you knock up a healthy young 18 year old girl your kid is highly likely to be just as fine as if you and your wife were both 25.

For a woman, sure. Not for a man.

yes imbecile, you could, but what kind of life would your son have? Seeing your shriveled corpse when he is 3.5

a little hint, in most countries it's not allowed to donate your semen above 40

It was an example. Having a kid with a young wife when you are 40-45 is optimal. You have the money, financial stability, security, industry connections and experience in life to give him the absolute best upbringing possible. Not to mention the time as well since you should be financially free by then and don't have to waste time waging all fucking day and miss out on most of your sons childhood because of that.

Trust me, having kids when you are in your 20's is a fucking bad idea. Most of the time the mother will be the sole one to raise the child as the father is either constantly working his wagecuck job desperate for promotion to support his family and burnt the fuck out on weekends. Kids want a shiny new toy or a holiday like the other kids in his class, sorry kiddo but daddy's a poorfag still, you gotta miss out.

Sounds like youre pulling facts out of your asshole, otherwise post study proving the 95% claim.
You know sperm quality continuously drops as you age, unless you go freeze your sperm right now, which is the smart thing to do (for anyone over the age of 18), then enjoy the last 20-30 years of your life raising your autistic kid lol

The fact you can't even imagine yourself financially secure enough to have kids, at the age of 25, shows how much you are NOT making it. Post your networth you wagie loser lol

Because absolutely no one would buy sperm with a slight degradation you retard. So there is no point.

The fact is, it's so slight and easily offset by just knocking up a younger woman. If you are a hyper successful businessman at 45 and can pull 18 year olds, your sperm is gonna be better generic material than any 20 year old loser anyways.

Holy fuck your points truly are retarded lol.
please neck yourself you brainlet, or at least wait till 40 till you decide to reproduce.

The decline in sperm in older males is mainly in their motality and the amount of semen you can produce.

I know Jow Forums loves to spout shit about autistic kids, but that's way more of a woman thing. Older women produce autists. I guess being an older man would increase the chances too, by less than a single percent maybe. It's just so fucking negligible that every time I hear it I can just see something seething Jow Forumsack screaming it desperately grasping at straws trying to convince people to have kids to save the white race. Wow if you have 100 kids at age 25 none of them will be autists, but if you have 100 at at 45 maybe 1 out of the 100 will be autistic.

Maybe with your increased financial stability and business connections your little autist can harness his brain powers and become some genius programmer and make some world changing tech.

My NW is 100k, which I know is low for here but I missed the crypto moon mission. Tbh almost everyone around my age who has kids has a lower NW than me and is getting financial help from mommy and daddy.

Let's be honest OP there is no happiness in your life.

People find value in their lives when others depend on them. This is why we have children and have had the urge since the beginning of time. If you don't feel the need to have children, you're a beta cuck.

Forgot to add, the fact that you don't want to have children is nature's way of saying "You don't belong in the gene pool"

rofl, you're inferior - but to your credit it seems like you've come to terms with that.

Nobody is truly content. But if I had 5mil+ and didn’t have to wage I would probably have kids right now. I don’t want to work like a dog until I’m 60 though and retiring early is way easier with no kids.

Absolutely seething. Amazing how many retards get triggered when you mention the downsides of reproducing. LOL

Oh the irony

Alright doing some research on Advanced Paternal Age and as I said, it's Jow Forumsacks making mountains out of molehills to get you to FOMO into having kids so their white race birthrates go up.

BTW this is for ADVANCED paternal age, Jow Forumscucks have you worried that if you wait till 36 your fucked. More likely you have till 50-60 until you get any minor noticable effects

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect

>Advanced paternal age may be associated with a higher risk for certain single-gene disorders caused by mutations of the FGFR2, FGFR3, and RET genes. The most significant effect concerns achondroplasia (a form of dwarfism), which might occur in about 1 in 1,875 children fathered by men over 50, compared to 1 in 15,000 in the general population.[12] However, the risk for achondroplasia is still considered clinically negligible.
>over 50
>clinically negligible.

>Several studies have reported that advanced paternal age is associated with an increased risk of miscarriage.[15] The strength of the association differs between studies.[16] It has been suggested that these miscarriages are caused by chromosome abnormalities in the sperm of aging men.[15] An increased risk for stillbirth has also been suggested for pregnancies fathered by men over 45.[16]
>Over 45
>wah muh miscarriage

>A systematic review published in 2010 concluded that the graph of the risk of low birthweight in infants with paternal age is "saucer-shaped" (U-shaped); that is, the highest risks occur at low and at high paternal ages.[17] Compared with a paternal age of 25–28 years as a reference group, the odds ratio for low birthweight was approximately 1.1 at a paternal age of 20 and approximately 1.2 at a paternal age of 50.[17] There was no association of paternal age with preterm births or with small for gestational age births.[17]
So basically you have just as much risk fathering a kid at 16 as you do 60.

Continuing next post.

Or maybe you just sound legit retarded due to being kids. No jew required.

As someone who is 26 with a 6 month old son, I can tell you it's hard, but so so worth it.

Parenthood changes you in ways that are too hard to really explain unless you've had kids yourself.

This

Because life is not about maximizing pleasure.

>me cum in pussy
>me superior

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>Schizophrenia is thought by some to be associated with advanced paternal age but it is not proven.[18][19][20] Some studies examining autism spectrum disorder (ASD) and advanced paternal age have demonstrated an association between the two, although there also appears to be an increase with maternal age.[21]
>not proven
>Autism appears to be an increase with maternal age

>In one study the risk of bipolar disorder, particularly for early-onset disease, is J-shaped, with the lowest risk for children of 20- to 24-year-old fathers, a twofold risk for younger fathers, and a threefold risk for fathers >50 years old. There is no similar relationship with maternal age.[22]
I guess this is the most legit one for your case fags. But still, over 50 until any decent chances of having a bi polar kid.

>Paternal age may be associated with an increased risk of breast cancer,[24] but the association is weak and there are confounding effects.[10]
>According to a 2017 review, there is consistent evidence of an increase in incidence of childhood acute lymphoblastic leukemia with paternal age. Results for associations with other childhood cancers are more mixed (e.g. retinoblastoma) or generally negative.

>High paternal age has been suggested as a risk factor for type 1 diabetes,[25] but research findings are inconsistent, and a clear association has not been established.[26][27]
>It appears that a paternal-age effect might exist with respect to Down syndrome, but it is very small in comparison to the maternal-age effect.[28][29]

You guys are getting rekt here. You are getting minor points but losing on major ones. Seems like having a kid in your 40's will bring no real problems. It's only after 50 you start getting minor effects. Anyways will continue with next post.

Right so you can't provide a study to confirm your bullshit claim?
And you continue to pull figures directly out of your asshole, the latest figures being "less than a single percent maybe" and " if you have 100 kids at age 25 none of them will be autists, but if you have 100 at at 45 maybe 1 out of the 100 will be autistic."
Unless you know the true statistics which you clearly do not, please stfu already, everything you are saying is worthless.

And to top if off, a maybe hypothetical scenario where if youre 45, then your autist is gonna make it.

t. serbian with latina gf not concerned with race

Being 25 and not getting help from your parents is nothing to be proud of.
From your post it seems like you already know how your marriage will end, gl user.

Yeah, no one wants to fuck you. It's not that you don't want kids, it's that no one wants to have kids with you.

kek

Actually man can produce healthy kids even in their 70+. Only woman age has impact on the health of a kid.

tl dr

OH FUCK HERE's THE BIG ONE. IQ POINTS

>A review 2005 found a U-shaped relationship between paternal age and low intelligence quotients (IQs).[30] The highest IQ was found at paternal ages of 25-44; fathers younger than 25 and older than 44 tended to have children with lower IQs.
AHAHAHHA FUCKING REKT

Having a kid at 24 is literally less safe than having a kid at 44. Enjoy your retard babies you fucking zoomer shits. Seems like 40-44 is prime age for a man to father children. Before 25 is just way to fucking early, your kids will have low IQ.

>A 2009 study examined children at 8 months, 4 years, and 7 years and found that paternal age was associated with poorer scores in almost all neurocognitive tests used, but that maternal age was associated with better scores on the same tests.[31] >An editorial accompanying the paper emphasized the importance of controlling for socioeconomic status in studies of paternal age and intelligence.
So it's only dumb fags knocking up mail order brides at 50 that account for the retarded autists too kek.

>Later research concluded that previously reported negative associations might be explained by confounding factors, especially parental intelligence and education. A re-analysis of the 2009 study found that the paternal age effect could be explained by adjusting for maternal education and number of siblings.[34] A study of 0.5 million Swedish men adjusted for genetic confounding by comparing brothers and found no association between paternal age and offspring IQ.[35] Another study found a positive association between paternal age and offspring IQ that could be explained by adjusting for parental IQs.[36]

Just kek.

I'm posting excerpts from studies right now you fucking retard.

>Holy shit wow get a source for your claims
>okay here
>wow tldr

KYS

Any male who gets married is taking a massive risk. This is a crypto board though so at least you’re all used to getting Brendan Fraser’d

I’ve already fucked several women I unironically don’t care

Naturally select yourself faggot, no skin off my nose. Meanwhile I'll be joyfully sowing my qt asian wife's field (pussy) with the seeds of the new Bitcoin aristocracy.

That doesn't really prove shit. I agree people who have children at a younger age, are on average going to be less intelligent than people who decide to later.
However, a true comparison would be to test IQs of the children of one man, who were born decades apart.

>A 2008 paper found a U-shaped association between paternal age and the overall mortality rate in children (i.e., mortality rate up to age 18).[37] Although the relative mortality rates were higher, the absolute numbers were low, because of the relatively low occurrence of genetic abnormality. The study has been criticized for not adjusting for maternal health, which could have a large effect on child mortality.[38] The researchers also found a correlation between paternal age and offspring death by injury or poisoning, indicating the need to control for social and behavioral confounding factors.[39]

>In 2012 a study showed that greater age at paternity tends to increase telomere length in offspring for up to two generations. Since telomere length has effects on health and mortality, this may have effects on health and the rate of aging in these offspring. The authors speculated that this effect may provide a mechanism by which populations have some plasticity in adapting longevity to different social and ecological contexts.[40]
This shit is actually pretty cool. Telomere length determines your aging DNA damage over time, the longer the telomere the better. This is actually a massive bonus to have an older father if you get longer telomeres.

Have fun raising another ER

More on the telomeres

>Telomeres are repetitive genetic sequences at both ends of each chromosome that protect the structure of the chromosome.[46] As men age, most telomeres shorten, but sperm telomeres increase in length.[16] The offspring of older fathers have longer telomeres in both their sperm and white blood cells.[16][46] A large study showed a positive paternal, but no independent maternal age effect on telomere length. Because the study used twins, it could not compare siblings who were discordant for paternal age. It found that telomere length was 70% heritable.[47]

This is actually fucking amazing. I hope all those guys studying ageing and how to reverse DNA damage start really researching this and finding out how to use older guys sperm to lengthen telomeres.

Good goy

Becuase I highly doubt that same man would have better quality sperm at age 45, even a brainlet can see that.

>The study has been criticized for not adjusting for maternal health, which could have a large effect on child mortality.[38] The researchers also found a correlation between paternal age and offspring death by injury or poisoning, indicating the need to control for social and behavioral confounding factors

LOL

I think sperm is more like a car gearbox. It's not degrading in whole. One aspect decreases while another increases. You might be slightly more autistic, but also more intelligent. You might be slightly more susceptible to childhood leukemia, but if you get through childhood without getting leukemia, congratulations your telomeres are longer and you will live a long time and age well

If you don't have at least 8 kids with your Asian wife, you literally are a homosexual and need to neck yourself. Sorry if it seems harsh, I don't make the rules.

If you aren’t giving your asian harem balls deep creampies multiple times a week you are literally a gay man

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Yeah.. No. Using the studies you referenced, the intelligence study does not prove higher paternal age = higher iq. It shows that on average, kids whos father had them at a later age, is probably more intelligent than the redneck father who had a kid at 18. It does not prove that sperm quality is better when you are older. Your sperm quality is the best when you are young, find a study that disproves that, you can't.

The sperm quality obviously lasts at peak till 44 so you are a retarded redneck if you FOMO into kids before age 30 fucking minimum.

I'm 26. There is no way I am having kids before 40 now. At most I might freeze some sperm just in case but I doubt it will make a big difference.

Why would you freeze your sperm if youre gonna have kids after 40 anyway?
So now you're saying the peak lasts till 44, if you could perhaps, just pull one more stat out of that asshol tonight, tell me at what age that peak begins, so I know when to freeze my sperm. Cos my 23 year old sperm is only getting better right?

t. some one with no kids

Just cut off your dick and shut up, proto-tranny

One small investment into TRV can take care of 5 kids.

women are not fertile at 40 dumbfuck

>Having a kid with a young wife when you are 40-45 is optimal.
literally impossible to structure society so that most marriages are 40 yr old men with 20 yr old men. not gonna happen and it would screw so many things up

20 year old women*

Seething.

Read my posts. 25-44 is peak age for having children. Having kids before 25 you encounter the same number of risks as after 44.

>why freeze sperm

So I can have the bests of both worlds. I am 26 so if I freeze some sperm now to impregnate a woman later, but also impregnate some women naturally when I am 40, I can see for myself the differences. Imagine being a Linky billionaire at age 40, you've got some old sperm frozen from 2019. You pick out 4 18 year old women to act as surrogate wombs. You pick a tall strong square jaws woman for your oldest son Chad, give his mum the 2019 frozen sperm. You pick a short, hot as fuck cute faced woman to have your first born daughter Stacey, she gets the 2019 sperm too. Then you get an high IQ intelligent nerdy finance type woman to have your youngest son, with 40 year old sperm, he's high IQ as fuck. Then you find some art hoe girl who's creative to have your youngest daughter who will also be a creative type. All of them born in the same year, Q1, Q2, Q3 and Q4 birthdays. By the time they are 20, you are 60 and retired with billions and can spend time with them and potential grandkids, and the mothers are all 38 and still looking decent.

Not talking about women retard.

Who fucking cares about society. Just do it yourself faggot.

>Who fucking cares about society. Just do it yourself faggot.
the point is if everyone tried to do what youre saying people should do, it wouldnt work. therefore its stupid

So?

If everyone sold all their bitcoin at a certain price it would go straight to zero too. Why the fuck do you care what anyone else does? Just do the best for yourself and family.

>Why the fuck do you care what anyone else does?
would you care if all your neighbors started doing crack? stupid lolbert

>37 with 3 kids.
>Patrician Celtic heritage maternally and paternally.
>£70kpa.
>15k Link.
>Comfy af.

As long as they don't bother me I don't give a shit

>lolbert
Oh you are a tranny fascist. KYS.

>As long as they don't bother me I don't give a shit
So you wouldn't care if society burned around you and you have no ability to visualize how others actions can affect you (your neighbors becoming crackheads would obviously decrease your quality of life). typical autistic lolbertardian

I'll just move somewhere else instead of becoming an autistic fascist trying to control others lives.

>I-I don't want to control others lives
pussy

How are you 26 but have the outlook of 14 year old athiest? Is this autism?

Nice admission that you desperately want to control others kek.

Fascists desperately want to control the lives of everyone around them through overt and stupid methods and will always fail. Meanwhile I will end up controlling the lives of many through finance and media and it will happen even if I am not trying to achieve that.

You have the worldview of a literal early 1990's christfag boomer.

>I will end up controlling the lives of many through finance and media and it will happen even if I am not trying to achieve that.

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ok, just as i suspected

26yo here. I would like to have a family some years later, but I'd get a conservative 16-18yo girl, not some uneducated woman that hates men and enjoys whoring themselves.

It's been proved that the father age is an important independent factor, kids with older fathers have an increased relative risk of mental health problems, especially schizophrenia iirc.

No that's been debunked read the thread retard.

Enjoy your future meds OP

There has been a consistent trend in the last 10 years in mental health literature that links father age to autism and schizophrenia, even with precise genetic analysis of damaged dna loci, a single bad study does not "debunk" the whole theory.

>Parenthood changes you in ways that are too hard to really explain unless you've had kids yourself.
That's what parents always say. Muh new perspective. Just admit that it's bullshit, you don't have to virtue signal here.
...for you.

Because some of the 80IQ people on pol think that if you don't reproduce your genes are gone.

They also thinks it makes the slightest bit of difference.

There has also been a consistent trend of seething feminists getting mad that they peak in their 20's while men peak in their 40's, over the last 10 years.

I would not trust any study done this decade that exclusively studies men and demonizes older fathers.

OP your post reads like someone who's been through a lot of abuse

You're either making this thread because you have some doubt, or you want to spread your toxicity

Forgot to add, the fact that you don't want to have children is nature's way of saying "You don't belong in the gene pool"

Nature selects for all kinds of retarded stuff, it's just by the fluke of the climate changing and jungles of africa turning into plains that we became bipedal and intelligent.

Nature isn't really a good judge.

If you start not trusting independent peer reviewed research when it does not conform with your opinion you are no better than those cunts.

>can’t imagine ever being married to a leaching whore
>having to pay 2 grand a month for daycare. It would suck all the happiness out of my life.
So being married and paying daycare, which doesn't cost that much, is going to suck all the happiness out of your life? There must not be much happiness user for two small things like that to have such an impact. Look up, noone will care when you die. At least you have that to look forward to.

i dont mind at all having kid at this age. You will alot time with your kid giving it the best of life can get, rather than a drunken 20 years old father.

nah m8, it's no fake. You're just young, stupid and seriously lack perspective and life experience. You'll learn one day.

That, or you're geniunely on the spectrum or a sociopath, and your genetically inadequate brain has left you incapable of understanding that the people telling you this are being genuine.

Used to think like you. Now, after having kids for a while, and comparing my past self with my present, i feel bad for people like you.

You keep using the same "arguments" that say absolutely nothing. You're just stupid and getting old, no wonder you try to justify your deeds.

I bitterly dispose who I use to be before I had kids. Since I had kids I've found what it really feels to love and be loved, plus it reignites some of the old day feels when you were a kid yourself that you thought were gone forever....priceless. you are missing out user

Despise...but I suppose dispose of my old self is true also

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