How would you explain Corporatism?

Have you ever read the Doctrine of Fascism by Giovanni Gentile and Benito Mussolini? You have no clue what economic system fascism has, just that "it's bad". You could apply fascism to a democracy... case in point Juan Peron in Argentina.

In the absence of government power, there will be a vacuum and that power will be filled, one way or another.

It's to the degree that the government should have power and what benefits and negatives intervening in particular parts of society brings.

>Leftist
My sides, lmao.

We’re all in agreement that Supply Side Economics is neither corporatist or a tool used by Crony Capitalists right? Because they would all be constantly competing with each other right?

no lol, as long as there is a state (which there will be), there will be collusion

Precisely, it's a matter of who is doing the collusion and to what ends.

you got an example of collusion that isnt self serving?

Can’t we just have Presidents just break up monopolies and collision with businesses and representatives like Teddy Roosevelt and William Taft did with trusts?

crony capitalism is a form of shadow government.
in "normal" capitalism, state and corporation work together fairly openly. corporations have their charter and ability to lobby for projects via institutional channels.
in crony capitalism, its more or less backroom deals usually involving layers of shell companies and some kind of tribal focus. there is no attention to the legal side of things, its all hidden.

It's the perception of the self and seeing yourself as an extension of the tribe you belong to, and who you classify as being part of your tribe.

>example of collusion that isnt self serving?

Norway's nationalized oil industry.

>in "normal" capitalism, state and corporation work together fairly openly. corporations have their charter and ability to lobby for projects via institutional channels.
>in crony capitalism, its more or less backroom deals usually involving layers of shell companies and some kind of tribal focus. there is no attention to the legal side of things, its all hidden.

Sounds the same to me brah, it's just that the first one has a rubber stamp by the state.

That's called paleoconservatism. The last true one was Ike Eisenhower.

What about Pat Buchanan?

> it's just that the first one has a rubber stamp by the state
well that is the difference... you want the state to run by institutional means rather than the whim of a few key people

Who controls the institutions?

Corporatism, communism....its all a subset if socialism

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Inevitably the institutions themselves are controlled by the whims of a few people.

not real fascism

America was the original Communist country.

He was never president, but he would've been great. Too bad, in recent years, he ended up defending the party that hated him and threw him out, because "the other side is worse".

Precisely. There is a gooey veneer that is the idea of every state, the flag, the oath of allegiance, etc etc and then there is the behind-the-scenes mechanizations of those at the very top of the totem pole. The nucleus of said state.

You can vote in whoever you want but unless the man you're voting in is wiling to die for his beliefs, nothing will change.

Guys please stop saying left and right it makes no goddamn sense as those are directional terms relative to where you currently are are in an ideological spectrum.

Same thing with progressive and conservative.

Objectively false, but there were some social welfare policies put in place to improve the lives of people... similar to Falangist Spain, Fascist Italy and National Socialist Germany. The problem is not government helping the people or not, but Marxism as an ideology that seeks to crush the bonds of a country and put their jewish masters in charge of ruling over the cattle.

Okay, economically fascism believed that to establish a minimum level of quality of life, that should slowly but permanently expand in times of peace. To achieve that, richer people and companies must pay higher taxes for the good of the State.

as long as they arent the same people controlling all the institutions, its not so bad

It's the left and the right of the same system. The two compliment each other so real control is never given up.

>"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"

All the anti-Liberal tendencies of the United States have been in spite of your liberal founding document. The confederacy wrote their own constitution and expressly abolished the idea of men being equal.

China is corporatist pretty much