There is literally nothing that a normal person can do. The elite wants us dead.
>Europoor (Western part) >No car (can't afford one) >Salary: 1200/month >Apartment cost : 700/month >Food cost 200/month (Health is important) >Internet cost: 50/month (Not watching TV, no need for phone) >Electricity + gas cost: 150/month >Monthly savings: 100/month >Yearly hypothetical savings 1200 euro
This is the majority here btw (The salaries fluctuate from 1000 to 1800), how the fuck can you even save a decent amount of money with that amount? Houses cost here from 300K to 2 mil How can this shit be legal? You can't even spend those 100 euros because of fear of the tax bill and maybe the water bill at the end of the year.
Do what you must to succeed. No pain, no gain. Share the bedroom.
Adrian Foster
It's illegal here btw to do this. If it's not your property you can't share anything.
David Hall
Your rent is a big chunk of you income so it is the logical place to attack your expenses. The other option is to find ways to earn significantly more money.
Aaron Davis
shit man. go try your luck in america. Maybe things turn out to be better for you there.
Ryan Phillips
Are there no cheaper rents in a biking distance radius from your job?
Noah Evans
I am pretty sure you can share your home with your significant other... Your landlord doesnt have to know you split the rent payment.
Adrian Scott
I got the best deal, I have no car, since I can't pay the insurance of 300 a month or something + mortgage on the car, so living outside the city is impossible to get to my job. Finding another job will not help since the salary is almost the same. Quitting a job is even worse here, no one would want to hire a job hopper.
Bentley Roberts
I don't know, western europe as well and I feel like getting a job would make me poorer at this point since I wouldn't have any free time but I would still be poor by all metrics
Adam Perez
Don't quit your current job, but work 2 jobs at the same time. Get another part-time job in addition to your current job.
Julian Nelson
op must be from spain, italy or france. Where you at, op?
why you can't register shitty LLC for 300 euros to provide services to other businesses?
Charles Thompson
My tax will rise, so In the end I will work for free. Many people tried to do this that I know, they rip you off at the end of the year and take almost everything you saved. Btw, how can you work another job If my working hours are like from 9:00 to 18:00, I get home at 20:00?
Charles Morales
A country that got cucked twice.
Kevin Mitchell
From the elites' perspective they don't want the masses to have any surplus income. Ideally, from their perspective, you spend everything you make and end up with net zero every month. This financial enslavement of the masses produces social stability. Hence why the Catholic Church kept increasing the number of holidays on which labor was forbidden back in the pre-reformation period, to prevent the peasants from accumulating capital. It was never not rigged in the first place besides maybe a few bloody and glorious moments in history where the masses managed to kill off the upper classes like the French Revolution and the Bolshevik Revolution. But hierarchichy is reestablished. Domination and oppression are built into human society, built into nature. You can accept it or struggle against it.
Wyatt Carter
Greece?
Nicholas Hughes
Work weekends in addition to normal working days. I fucking hate the taxman. Where I live the tax rate rises at disgusting speed when I earn more. Working more still benefits me, but not in the full amount.
You know your situation better than me so you have to figure out how to earn more or spend less. If you want to save more than 1200 a year that is. Still, even if you end up saving only 1200 a year, find a way to invest it and get a return, in a few decades you will have saved up a decent chunk of capital.
100 a month saved and invested at 8% return gets you 141 000 in 30 years. 324 000 in 40 years. Double that if you save 200 a month. You just might find a way to retire one day.
Move. Go find somewhere else where they'll tax you less and you can make a higher net income. Don't have loyalty to a shitty country or a shitty city.
Jack Lopez
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA how is this real
Isaiah Morgan
Germany.
Parker Butler
Reality is not fair. Still we must find a way to prosper. Whatever it takes.
Dominic Martin
This. If you play into a system that has been established long ago and you're nowhere near the top of it, unless you offer something radically different or unique you're not going to progress. It's as simple as that.
The only other alternative is to accumulate enough capital to invest radically, with hopes of 100%-500% returns in investments such as crypto or leveraging yourself up in the stock market.
Once you make 500K-1 Million USD, that's enough to retire on for life and you go retreat to live in a rural or regional town.
It's better to live as a big fish in a small pond than to live as small fish in big pond.
Carson Campbell
I wouldn't apologise for 200 a month for food. I spend £80 a week. I eat organic and a lot as i lift.
Joshua Howard
You can't move if you have no money. And the situation is worse in other countries of the EU.
Ian Gray
This is a good idea.
Gavin Evans
That's old as fuck buddy
Jaxson Smith
Stfu jew.
Michael Barnes
No, the elites are happy for people to have surplus income, but they don't want people to build up savings. They'd rather everyone continuously spend money on credit.
All the central banks in the world have an inflation target of 2% for this reason. Deflation is death to the system that they've created.
Austin Lee
Wie Alt bist du und was arbeitest du ?
Camden Robinson
One extreme solution is to buy a van and start living there. Could save 500-600 more a month. Van living is a real thing.
Also arbeitest du auf Abruf im Servicebereich ? 1200€ ist das nicht schon fast Mindestlohn ?
Benjamin Williams
>The elite wants us dead. No, idiot, the elite wants your labor. Wake up - the working class is the peasant of the modern world, living in rented land surrounding the castle, providing for those in the nobility while being allowed to keep only a portion of the value created. The nobility just got smart a put a nicer label and standard of living (creature comforts) on top of the peasant relationship so we'd be more complacent with it.
Connor King
I'm from the UK and I was working as a bartender on a 0 hour contract earning no joke a maximum of £500 a month because they just give you random fucking hours and you need to be on-call all day.
It was hell. But I finally landed a job in France as an animator and now I make 2k a month and pay €275 for rent. it's nothing substantial but I earn enough to buy the occassional luxury item and invest a bit in BTC and alts (praying for that lucky moon).
It's difficult out there, perhaps the most difficult decade since the great depression, but it's not impossible. Please keep trying, learn a trade, get a bloody phone because they cost jack shit and start socialising in the right crowds. It's all we've got and you will inevitably get SOMEWHERE.
Also move out of the capital city you're clearly living in or at the very least move in with someone else. What the fuck are you paying that much rent for, you idiot?
That much rent is simply normal in western germany.
Gavin Reed
Ein Mindestlohn ist es sicher, vielleicht in ein paar jahr wird es 1500/monat sein.
Julian Ramirez
Government over regulation of housing/zoning and construction keeps house prices artificially high. People who want to live cheap have to find creative new ways to live.
Nicholas Allen
better than wasting half of your wage
James Brown
Wechsle in die Industrie, da bekommst du 2k Einstiegslohn. Der Servicebereich rentiert sich überhaupt nicht, wenn du bereit bist Stunden zu kloppen geh auf den Bau.
Angel Walker
Stop talking wurstelish, moron.
Brody Peterson
Ich werde es versuchen, aber der arbeitsmarkt ist nicht der beste jetzt. Ich denke da is wieder zu mutter ziehen werde, aber danke fur den tip.
Jacob Cruz
Poor people are going to be an issue in the coming climate crisis. The goal right now is to accumulate as much wealth as possible in preparation while simultaneously keeping the masses poor and overworked.
The biggest risk to the elite is the masses organizing before they've stolen more of the worlds riches.
Aiden Miller
Ja die Rezession hat grade erst angefangen, die nächsten Jahre werden echt hart. Aber mit 25 solltest du dir echt überlegen ob eine zweite Ausbildung sinnvoll wäre, vorallem wenn du noch bei Mutter wohnen kannst.
Cameron Baker
The vast majority of people's labour isn't necessary to keep the system running.
What we have is most of our jobs are dedicated to services, which is just busywork for the sake of busywork or to serve people further up on the totem pole.
Progressive taxation is one of the highest barriers to earning more and those taxes go to "free gibs", welfare bums. The ones keeping you down are actually not the elite, but welfare bums and those who vote for higher taxes.
Delusional. 99% of the rich made their money honestly, at least in the western world. Might be different in russia and china.
Joshua Roberts
ischerlischer mazinger freuschelatzepfefer
Joseph Long
>The biggest risk to the elite is the masses organizing before they've stolen more of the worlds riches.
I don't think further monetary gain is the point of many of the people running society. Past a certain point, I think you'd have a realization that the very issuance of fiat currency itself is a system of control.
The elites already have the vast majority of wealth in society. What they're pushing towards isn't more wealth, it's something ideological.
If George Soros was simply motivated by wealth he wouldn't be wasting money by funding all these ideological groups around the world.
looks to me your problem is twofold you make shit money and rent an expensive place. you need to change both of those things!
Joshua Stewart
Nah, the nature of "labor" has simply changed - Having butts in seats at meetings creates value in that you give off the appearance of professionalism, etc. - The labor is still creating value even if they aren't doing anything laborious, they're still accomplishing more high level and abstract goals to further the agenda of the boss/the company, which controls the reward received for those actions, and allows only a portion to fall back down to the labor that made it happen.
An interesting observation
Cooper Jenkins
This individualistic Anglo way of thinking is severely flawed, not just in producing good outcomes for the individual but for society at large.
One only need look at the fiscal policies of those that spout such nonsense to understand.
Luke Hernandez
> i asked my german girlfriend to not use plastic condoms when she fucks with her african refugee, because i care about turtles in the ocean
Stop trying to get the thread deleted fucking Rothschilds.
Carson Adams
If something tangible is not being produced, it's busywork. If America can sell it's own shit to itself and others and then call it tangible, it still doesn't make it so.
Again, I reiterate that many businesses are created and run with the owners knowing that they will never be profitable ever. For the owners, it is simply worth the loss to be able to influence the actions of people.
Print media for example.
Hunter Smith
Keep talking in fucking english since you lose the war.
Justin Murphy
würd ich keine mille und haus erben würde ich mich umbringen.brudis ka wie ihr das macht. ich bete für euch.
Logan Roberts
Individual freedom is the great legacy which makes western world better than the rest. A legacy from ancient greece and ancient times. A legacy we are sadly forgetting...
In a free world collectivists can form their own communities and live their way of life and individualists can live their own way. Freedom for all?! Everyone can live the way they want.
Feelings are not tangible but are still valuable. Work that produces positive feelings is not busywork.
Gabriel Phillips
This literally was never the case kek. Look at the peasants life in medieval Europe Look at the factory workers during the industrial revolution in the 19th century. The west stopped being a shithole when social welfare improved and communists forced the gov to change. Read about the socialists in the 19th century.
Hunter Turner
> I lose the fucking war but i keep talking in wurstelisch on a mongolian paranoid self help board to state my pride
You are right in that wealthy people don't own media to make profit, but to influence the thinking of other people. At least in some cases.
Julian Torres
Do you know the Greek origins of the word 'idiot'?
I'm not insulting you, just asking.
Jason Scott
sir this is a blue board
Joshua Martin
Indeed, and an english speaking board
Nicholas Gomez
Not only , but also by your own admission, it furthers someone's agenda to start the venture and run it at a loss to achieve some other motive. The labor was valuable enough to someone (valued in results rather than money in your case) that they hired all those busybodies - It was worth-it, meaning there was value in the busywork.
At the end of the day, my point is just that the 90% (the peasants in the old days, the working class now) is furthering the agenda of the 10%, at a loss, and cannot escape the rat-race easily.
>(((french revolution))) >(((bolshevik revolution))) >moments where it wasnt rigged
What the fuck user are you actually this stupid? Get a refund on your education because you literally mentioned the 2 best examples of (((elites))) financing massive social upheaval to destabilize entire regions and bring massive chaos so they could build their new society from the ashes. Point and laugh at this imbecile thinking the Bolshevik bloodbath was an example of the people rising up and not orchestrated by the real shadow elite.
The amount of freedom has fluctuated, but was generally higher in europe than elsewhere always. There is a reason dark ages are called dark ages.
Factory work was a better alternative to workers than traditional farmer work, which is why they did it out of their own will. They were not forced to do it by violence.
Workers conditions have improved because workers learned to negotiate with employers. This can be 100% accomplished without government intervention. I for example just negotiated a pay raise for myself this year, no government intervention needed at all.
Gov intervention has caused more troubles than it has solved.
Mason Gray
for example i make 1800 eur and my rent is only 430 eur but i only pay half of it cause i share rent with my gf. so my rent to earning ratio is 12%.
get roomies at least share rent!
Lincoln Mitchell
>go back to visit my alma mater >three of my former professors having a conversation in another room >one of them opens the door >the Jewish one continues telling the other two >"and the beauty of it is that the rent from my first house pays the mortage on my second house!" >"Both Chinese professors say "ahhhh" as if they've both been enlightened You can't make this shit up.
Charles Price
Valuable as a means of control.
You go to college. You get in debt. You get a job. You build up wealth. You buy overpriced consumerist things. You go in debt. You buy a house with a mortgage for 40 years.
The hamster wheel is a means of control.
Noah Gonzalez
Idiot = a person who doesn't care about politics. If I remember correctly.
Christian Martinez
>100 a month saved and invested at 8% return gets you 141 000 in 30 years. 324 000 in 40 years. Double that if you save 200 a month. You just might find a way to retire one day.
> 300k > retire
perhaps he will finally be able to buy a garage for the car he cant afford, kek
i am doing alright making comfy deep-learning-shekels, but yeah dont let boomers tell you they didnt fuck over our generation
hey wir schaffen das right, hans? at least you can prove you are not racist with all your taxes going to rapefugees.
Tyler Williams
My friends are in a similar situation (Austria) They're all wageslaving pretty much living paycheck to paycheck, it is so ridicolously impossible to accumulate wealth here, I don't know how most people can stand it.
To all burgers: Everytime youre about to moan about the job market in the USA, remember this thread. And remember that most stuff like electronics and food is also a little more expensive here.
I think many people underestimate how insanely huge the difference in standards of living from western europe to USA/Canada & Australia is.
You could suck a black man's penis for money, it will not be much money but when you get good at penis sucking then you can suck Jewish penis and get lots of money
Cameron Robinson
Revolutions are more often than not top-down movements. Peasants rise up on their own only when they are starving to death.
Josiah Jackson
And we pay more taxes for our smaller payments. Here in germany you work like 70% of the year for the state.
Caleb Watson
My point is that the 10% does change over time. Even the families in the old aristocracy and monarchs (though in modern times these classes are merely ornaments) changed.
So yes, the work done by a journalist at a newspaper that is a loss making venture IS valued by the owner, but by society at large it isn't.
The value is gained by the owner in influencing society towards their own agenda, which in of itself has ramifications.
They literally pay to put memes in the mind of the people.
Jordan Watson
And yet Germans will keep voting mommy Merkel until she dies. You people are masochists.
Aaron Edwards
Just rebel and steal their wealth like the commies did >b-but that's so unfair how could you do something so evil Might makes right. If given the chance, they'd execute all of us so they can form their elite-only utopia where there aren't billions of others leeching their resources and making life on Earth unsustainable for everyone. Think of it as a personal Monroe Doctrine or basically Minority Report - you know what they'll eventually do, be it through disease, nano tech, AI or a nuclear winter, so why not take precautions right now to avoid it and make sure that it is not just a handful of people holding that power? On top of that, they didn't even build that wealth fairly, it's a combination of being scum, false advertising, dodging taxes and bribing officials, so here's a moral reason as well if you wanted one.
Isaac Evans
I'm american and I was vacationing in germany, and I was talking to some germans about work. He excitedly mentioned that he was in the military and made 2k euro per month. I was confused by his excitement and asked him if that was a lot here, and he said it really was. I like vacationing in europe, but there is this feeling there. I can't exactly put my finger on it, but its like everyone is equally worthless. No one is special, everyone is all up in your shit on the train, no personal space. It was comparatively like being human cattle. I feel like the population is... stifled.
1. Save 3000 euros or so, borrow it from family 2. Get a plane ticket to NY 3. Find any job in NY (there's tons of them) and get an appartment in NJ (its far cheaper) 4. Grind your ass off for 3-4 years and save 20k 5. Find a roastie and pay her 20k for marriage 6. Get a real job now 7. Grind the living fuck of it for the next 10 years 8. Unlike in Germany, you will actually get promoted here multiple times if you have common sense 9. Congratulations you've made it to the 100k club, use your savings to invest into boomer stocks one recession hits 10. Give it a couple more years and then do what you want
Yes its an absolute cringefest but it works.
Asher Walker
Also how do you guys think that the future of the european economy will look like? A lot of people, especially a lot of austrian economists are prediciting a huge upcoming crash. I think theyre wrong. I think the future will be looking like Japan. Or rather it already is. There was no growth in the EU economy within the last 10 years. There are going to be even more zombie companies. Inflation will slowly hit. Even less people will be able to afford children. Retiring will be a thing only rich people can pull off, like supporting a whole family with just one working parent. Thoughts?
I think we austrians actually have it even slightly worse. But yeah total tax for a normal working person is usually around 70% if you include every single tax.
I know exactly what you mean. Also dont forget the average living space in the USA is twice as big as in the EU. And still most people here pat themselves on the back that we might live in tiny shitholes, driving to our wagecages in tiny cars with tiny 1.6litre engines, but at least we have free healthcare, a welfare state etc. If most people here knew how much richer people in the USA and Australia are they'd probably kill themselves
>No one is special Can't speak for other countries but in the UK you're encouraged by your peers to be a mediocre piece of shit from a young age. And as an adult everyone is resentful.
