The free market regulates itsel-

I quit cigarettes using vape (not shitty juul, an actual mod and tank.) I had to make my own juice at home and use 64mg (illegal levels) of nicotine to cut cigarette cravings, then gradually step down to 0mg over the course of 5 months, but I haven't had a cigarette in over a year. I occasionally enjoy a 0mg vape when I drink because drunk habits die hard, but other than that, free and clear.

>Nicotine by itself is hardly addictive
Lol@u It plays such an important role in the brain/ body akin to dopamine/ serotonin.
t. neurologist

Isn't it just peed away over a certain amount?

Lol, no
It is toxic, and will literally kill you over a certain amount. I think you're confusing non carcinogenic, with non toxic. Look up the difference.

We all know smoking is addictive, and that long term cigarette smoking causes cancer and organ damage.

Censoring ads and forcing labels onto products isn't going to change people's existing habits. Why not just save money and energy and just tax smoking ads, and use that for education?

nice congrats

>the free market regulates itsel-

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>isn't going to change people's existing habits
But it will deter them from forming new habits

You're not forced to buy dangerous goods.

I stayed far away from this shit because I knew I would get addicted as fuck to it

If only everyone had a huge brain like me

lets legalize all drugs

Been smoking since I was 14 and have tried to kick the habit multiple times. Stopping isn't particularly difficult even though the withdrawal sucks massive dick. The problem is it's just so easy to fall back into it. One exceptionally stressful day at work and you just cave after months of not smoking. I'm a month clean now and drinking shitloads of water and tea and working out every day. Nicotine is a massive scam and it's time to kick it for good. It's such a terrible habit to pick up.

also the ones which makes you cannibalize others alive? what was its name?

>neurologist
>biz
Fuck outta here fagtard

yeah dude no ones forcing u to buy those dangerous goods ;))))

Nicotine needs to be banned.

Unironically do it. You're fucking pathetic if you need the government to function as some sort of ersatz-parent for you at whatever age you're at right now.

This

>the free market regulates itself

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I was almost 10 years smoke free and then during an extremely stressful period bought a pack of cigs and ended up vaping. fuck.

I agree, why have laws at all
can't people see they shouldn't steal or murder without daddy government telling them not to?

Nicotine is definitely addictive otherwise pure nic products like these shitty juuls wouldn't be addictive, dumb fuck. However, full tobacco contains MAOIs and other chemicals which have different psychoactive effects and are addictive in their own right.

it's literally a toxic pesticide produced by plants to kill that which eats it.

MDPV? Why buy it when you can cook it at home like my boy Johnny McCafe

Does anyone else have a hard time coping with the fact that smoking kills hundreds of thousands a year, yet very few people feel anything about that?

In my country and at least 2 neighbouring countries, 95% of all lung cancer cases are caused by smoking. Something like 3% are caused by second-hand smoking, and 2% cannot explicitly be traced back to smoking. This is official information.

Does no one realize that lung cancer would almost not exist (barring asbestos memes) if smoking was not legal? And lung cancer is just 1 way in which smoking kills you.

Closing a blind eye to what tobacco is doing to people is pretty much a worse crime than letting a genocide happen, in terms of victims. And we're all accomplices.

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>Nicotine by itself is hardly addictive at all.
found the imbecile

There are a lot of strong rebuttals to your argument but it will suffice to call you a retard.

but smoking is cool, and the cool chick is doing it, I must do it too

Even weed, even though I can totally get all the benefits of CBD without smoking it and there are even better ways to consume it, smoking is cool

don't you want to be cool user

>but muh lungs

fuck off loser, I bet you're a virgin lmao, smoke now, lungs later

>still believing in the chemical hook addiction vector
>not realising we are creatures of habit, and that all addiction is really just habitual routine.
Withdrawal is the only bump in kicking a habit such as smoking. Get past the first few days cold turkey, change your routine and you won't even want to smoke.
This applies to everything in life that you find yourself 'addicted' to. Being a chemical slave to your habits is falacy.
Grow up and take control of yourself.

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Nicotine is one of the most addictive substances known to man. Aside from that, is it harmful to your physical health? Not so much. Nicotine itself doesn’t cause disease, that’s where all the other chemicals come into play. In fact lighting anything on fire and inhaling the smoke is baaadddd.

what are the vape stocks?

Moron or tobacco shill.

i havent had a cig since febuarry 2018 because of vaping started out 18mg and now cant even handle 6mg, i use 0mg jouce now, i also haven't vaped since like Easter. i will vape like you when i drink but thats about it.

i do smoke a pipe every week but thats not for nicotine so much as it is shifting focus and calming down. of course you don't inhale that because its a much more robust smoke.

People smoke usually to self medicate; nicotine is a chemical replacement for having the ability to self-soothe yourself

I quit years ago. I'm not telling you to start smoking, I'm encouraging people to quit, so great tobacco shilling.
Take a week away, even if it's just a tent inawoods, and don't smoke. It'll be easier than you think, and when you get back into your routine, it'll be easier to stay in the new routine of not smoking.
Disregarding doctors purposefully putting people on opiates for profit, an 80yo woman can go into hospital for an operation, be pumped with diamorphine for a solid week, be sent home and only experience a little withdrawal and constipation. Contrast that with a junky taking his diamorphine in heroin form, who only has a couple bumps that he can get hold of, but will steal from his own family with no regrets to pay for the next hit. Chemically, their situations are the same, in fact Nan is on more heroine than the junky is. The difference is situation, habit and the ability to completely change that situation.
blog.healingstreamsusa.org/causes-addiction-not-chemical-hook/
Not the best source, but I'm in a hurry. DYOR and take control of your own life.

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Do you have data to back that up? Personally I don't think smoke in and of itself causes cancer. That's a cop out. It must be specific substances in the smoke. Smoke itself is just ash and hot air.

So just moron, thanks for confirming.

ash contains free radicals which are highly unstable atoms that cause cancer.

>lighting anything on fire and inhaling the smoke is baaadddd
As far as I know the only real health hazard to smoking weed is emphysema

>just ash
Why are you skeptical that inhaling and coating your lungs with ash would cause cancer?
Consider that IIRC every 1000 packs increase your risk of cancer by 2%.
Now imagine how much repeated exposure to ash your lungs would go through after 30k packs of cigarettes, it surprises you that you'd have a 60% chance of lung cancer after that?

Seems true. I quit vaping cold turkey weeks ago and the cravings were gone after two days. Cigs were magnitudes worse to quit.

Probably depends on your genetics but i dont find nicotine ir tobacco products addictive at all

sugar is more addictive than cocaine, and cocaine is more than 1000 times addictive than nicotine.
Nicotine by itself is a smart drug like caffeine

What's this from?

British American Tobacco shill

I QUIT YOUR SHITTY CANCER STICKS

user, you and I both know that private companies cannot use force as a means of coercion like governments do.

It's all so tiresome

(((corporations))) literally push shit down your throat and are responsible for the downfall of the West

Stop defending them like a weak libertarian faggot

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nobody is addicted to the taste that's ridiculous. it's chemically addictive, your brain craves it because it relieves your stress for 0.5 seconds. it's similar to how the brain craves likes on IG or wins in a video game, although those things are meaningless and only give you a few seconds of satisfaction we as humans are desperately addicted to them.

>I want the government to force everyone to live like I want them to live!
Yikes and gulagpilled

Lungs were made to inhale you faggot

yeah, I vape on and off and have no withdrawal. Vape 3 months, dont for 3, vape 6 months, dont for 1. There's no withdrawal for me, and I'm hesitant to even say cravings.

> support faggots to own the libs
Iol

Oh look another commie thread

same here bro i love to vape juul if im at a bar or something but never do or even think about it outside of bars when im drunk

>he's not a faggot
???

Free market is a top down scam to keep you poor

You'd be soooo rich in an alternative system, I'm sure

Those aren't voluntary, you helpless dimwit. Fuck. You're the kind of moron that they had to recall tidepods because of until they could get the 'don't eat this' stickers printed. Fuck you.

I go through about a Juul pod every day and I'm not addicted. Fucking label is misleading as fuck.

oxygen is more addictive than anything else try living without it for a few minutes! any more moronic statements?

who would have guessed that a company selling addictive, flavored drug to children would become so profitable!
the free market is so efficient!

I hope these are less harmful than regular tobacco. I used to smoke a pack a day, now I do 1-2 pods a day.
Am I still fucked?

based and redpilled

If you're a neurologist then you need to put your degree back in the cereal box you got it from.
You guys are fucking idiots. Look at the literature. It's the additives that vastly enhance the addictiveness. People don't get strung out on the patch or nicotine gum and plenty of people use those periodically for the nootropic effects of nicotine, dumbfucks.

60% of 0.1%

Read the abstract, dumbfucks. It's the additives that vastly enhance the addictiveness of the nicotine. Then fucking neck yourselves.
jneurosci.org/content/25/38/8593

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You in particular are a fucking fraud and you disgust me.

nicotine is highly addictive neurotoxin and causes physical dependence but that goes away pretty fast. the dopamine reward cycle bound to the act of smoking is what causes the behavioral addiction that is hard to kick.

>nicotine is highly addictive neurotoxin
Bull fucking shit. It is neither of those things. Do any of you hacks actually read any scientific literature or do you get your talking points from Bill fucking Nye? I literally screenshotted a paper from a neurology journal specifically stating that nicotine has "weak reinforcing properties". Do you know what the fuck "weak reinforcing properties" means? It means it's not very addictive. That's the whole point. The additives are what vastly enhance the addictiveness and make cigarettes practically impossible to put down. What the fuck? It's times like this when people discuss things I happen to be intimately familiar with that I remind myself to never pay attention to anything said that I'm not familiar with. You people are ignorant fucking hacks who know nothing.

lmao @ not knowing how LD50 works.. freshman biology bro. We consume dozens of “toxic” substances every single day, as do other animals — these organic compounds generally don’t bioaccumulate beyond extremely brief periods of time (hence why nicotine poisoning, while completely nonlethal and easily treated by drinking some water, is a thing). Calling nicotine toxic for something as large as a human is like complaining that there’s cyanide in apples.

>Bull fucking shit. It is neither of those things.
it's both which is why it is used as a pesticide. very small amount of nicotine can kill you a drop on your skin and you are dead. very painful death.

>Do you know what the fuck "weak reinforcing properties" means? It means it's not very addictive.
no it actually does not mean that. there is physical addiction to nicotine it comes very fast and goes away pretty fast causing nausea and general feeling ill, but in itself will not make you seek out nicotine obviously. same for arsenic, just because you are physically dependent on arsenic and they cut your dose even tho you are ill as fuck and dying you don't get the urge to consume arsenic.

agreed bro. Tobacco even without all the additives has so many other psychoactive compounds and by itself is an extremely potent MAOI inhibitor, which is why it pairs so well with alcohol and just about every psychoactive drug known to man.

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>very small amount of nicotine can kill you a drop on your skin and you are dead. very painful death.
That's the shitties form of subjective bullshit argument I've seen this month and you should be ashamed. That's akin to the "you can drown on a spoonfull of water reasoning". You should be ashamed.

I'm done with the thread. I made my first comment before I went to sleep and I awoke 8 hours later with an inundation of ignorance and stupidity. I've barely gotten through my first cup of coffee. People, READ THE LITERATURE on nicotine. Then READ THE LITERATURE regarding the inhibition of MAO activity by compounds present in tobacco smoke. The latter is the cause of the hyper-addictiveness of tobacco. Don't believe the lies about nicotine itself. This is industry shills trying to deny direct responsibility by putting it all off on "nicotine". "B-but nicotine is addictive, I-it's not the hundreds of other addtives we put in the cigarettes. P-please don't sue us"
You fucking shill ignorant bastards need to neck yourselves immediately.
And for the rest in the know, keep trucking. And for the people who beat this shit I fucking SALUTE YOU.
I'm out

You're extremely retarded. Out of bounds autistic.

are you retarded or arguing with facts? can't tell.

congratulations on being the most retarded person in this board

what's most interesting about nicotine is it's undoubtedly a neurotoxin but in small doses also has neuro-protective qualities. and it depends on age which one is more pronounced. for younger humans the toxic effect is serious and for elderly the protective effect is more pronounced it also allegedly helps stall alzheimers and dementia progression altho sample sizes are very small.

sample this faggot

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based

don't worry one day you will learn how to use google and you stop spouting bullshit without checking.

Libertarians are the only moral people. Statists are subhuman.