Why is every other person on the internet these days a Software """Engineer"""...

That sucks, but at some point you have to realize that you have to do what makes the most money. Nice guys get nowhere in life.

Is it easy to get high pay job if you have a CS degree?

ehh I know a lot of people who can't find jobs with CS degrees so you actually have to be good to get one of the Chad jobs. There's a lot of competition for those

Where?

>CS degree
CS degrees are pretty much worthless. Depending on what you want to do, a degree in mathematics is going to be infinitely more valuable. If you must get a CS degree, make sure the college/uni you go to has a decent program. Some barely touch a line of code at all.

Keep in mind no one will hire you off of a degree alone. Some don't even look if you have a degree, most only prefer a degree, and only some outright require one. If you're already proficient, it's way more beneficial to spend the years you'd take getting a degree into contributing to projects and freelancing. If you do go the degree route, don't act like it'll get you a job. You need to also have other examples of your skill beyond college requirements.

adding onto this programming isn't worth at all going into anymore unless you have some level of aptitude for it. If you're just doing it for "programming job bux" and have no natural talent - you're probably gonna be fucked. The days of "80k/yr codemonkey straight from college" are largely over. If you want a decent job, you need to actually be good.

>Is it easy to get high pay job if you have a CS degree?
You have to actually be good at development.

Actually making complicated projects, posting them on Github and attaching that to your resume/CV is going to go a lot further than a CS degree.
It's only been the last 10 years or so that Universities could actually teach you anything that wouldn't be obsolete by the time you graduated.

>Actually making complicated projects, posting them on Github and attaching that to your resume/CV is going to go a lot further than a CS degree.

I never said anything contradicting this. In fact, I even said a CS degree is pretty much worthless and that no one will hire anyone on a degree alone.

not in the valley. but then again i'd rather take a 50% pay-cut than live in the valley. especially now that people are getting shot

I don't know how it works on reddit, but sometimes an user might quote you to agree and further elaborate, which is what I did.

I don't know how it works on 9gag, but when you quote someone and say "Actually, [text]" it comes across as if you're disagreeing with what they said.

go into a coding bootcamp, way more efficient and they can usually find you connections which college professors rarely do, all you need is a technology stack and a few years of experience and you can milk the tech fad for at least another 5 years before your tech stack becomes obsolete and then rinse and repeat

employers want experience and for you to be trained and confident on day one which the degree alone won't do you any good for

what are you interested in?
Anything high-paying and interesting within CS is related to math. A math degree would be much more worthwhile in this case.

If all you want is to know how to build software really well, then just learn on your own from udemy/youtube courses

>is it easy to get high pay job
not for entry level, they're saturated. However good programmers are still hard to find so the demand is still very high

It's easy it you're good enough

except there was no coma, retard

145k Software Engineer here, yeah I hate the term too. If anybody asks me what I do I just say I'm a programmer. Even though technically I'm an architect overseeing a team of junior devs and making big-picture decisions about the direction of the product. It used to be that the term "engineer" meant something but you're right, nowadays any C-student dumbass can grab the title after 4 years of halfass study and make 100k+ easy.

It's scrum, agile, 6sigma, all these recently in-vogue team collaboration systems. They take accountability away from the individual and spread it across the entire scrum team, across the entire department. Work is distributed and parallelized, there's never a feature being worked on by only one person. We have rules that code reviews and defect reports must be "blameless". As in, we're not supposed to call out who may have made a mistake or pushed shitty code. The team or department as a whole takes equal responsibility for all wins or losses. It's a system that allows room temp IQ slackers to coast by on their inflated salaries while failing to give the hard working geniuses the recognition they deserve.

Socialism doesn't work.

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now we hack code for 150k/year. it just keeps getting better.

Senior lead software architect making $285k/s here AMA

Except that without math and CS theory you will produce amateur bullshit and node_modules

whoa look out we got a real Linus Torvalds here

There sure is a lot of shilling for mathematics degrees lately.

Easy jobs are fairy tales. You have to be competitive to get most jobs. It doesn't just apply to programming.

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>bubble
The biggest tech bubble that we will ever see occurred in the late 90s / early 2000s.

I feel like my mathematics degree is a liability in my career as a dev 2 years in. Most listings penalize you for not having that CS degree. I feel like a BS Math is like a BA English in terms of job value.

I call myself a programmer. Don't want to be associated with cad monkey engineers.

I’m a code shaman.

>mathphd.jpg
Damn user, I haven't read /sci/ in years

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OP and other dip shits talk shit about SWEs, on the internet, on an online forum software, that was served via Cloudflare CDN's and DDoS protection, connected to linux server. And using a Human Input Device (keyboard), connected to a computer, running an operating system, on a browser.

WOW.

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Agree but it depends. In Australia the local populace are so dumbfounded by technology that Pajeets can 100k and a Visa for mediocre, bordering incompetent, performance.

High-pay SWE bros:
Do any of you get to work remotely for that mulah?

I [barely] work remote. Clear around 140k usd as a consultant to one client which is a lot less than y'all but my company is set up in Estonia so I pay 0% tax.

I was just larping to show you guys everyone here is full of shit

Oh user... We actually do get paid that much.

It's well known Netflix will pay you 400k/year to improve their content delivery systems. Even more to optimize their AI curation algorithms.

levels.fyi/

I'm sorry our salaries are so outlandishly large compared to yours that they seem impossible.

>.fyi
fucking hell how many of these meme nu-TLDs are there

>fucking hell how many of these meme nu-TLDs are there
A lot. Soon to be infinite. See Handshake.

whoa nice

the engineer title has lost its meaning in every industry except those where you need professional accreditation to use it.

i am more talented and smarter playing with my jojo yet i earn nothing

I was working as junior js dev for a year (in fact almost a fullstack). Shitty projects, no support from coleagues in terms of learning. No courses. 7k$ per year. Welcome Capitalism.

so you / your team are the scrum of the earth
sorry, but it never gets old

>Actually, [text]
My post doesn't have the comma after Actually, which would indicate disagreement, but it's not there. Read for comprehension and you see that I'm agreeing with you.

To be honest most of the code that has to be made is business oriented, therefore high level and requiring logic and the english language. Especially since languages like C are so widespread, if someone makes good low level software that's not trash it will, after some compiler artifacts, run almost everywhere.

What I don't get is how every company that has these people is somehow able to pay every developer $100k+. Maybe that's the reason most normies are poor, they just find ways to spend their money or something

Right. Complicated projects. Nobody is really impressed with a bootstrap template and a Flask e-commerce store that you wrote following a code-along YouTube video.
Although, that's a start. If you can at least do that, you've done something.

yes i'm able to work remote most of the time if i want, but i choose to go into the office 2-3 days a week because i have cool co-workers

This is the truth. This is why I went back to school for a masters in CS. Look at Georgia Tech's online masters, it's cheap as shit and your resume will just say you have a MS CS from georgia tech

Seems like a waste of time and money. Just use that time and money to network and get some junior job at some big tech company for a few years, then your resume is worth $$$, and you didn't get cucked by some scam university teaching what you can learn 10x faster on stackoverflow for free

A cheap on-line program that allows you to put "MS-CS - Ga. Tech" on your resume isn't a waste of time.

You say that like I don't know anything. I already make six figures and spend less than $8k a year on CoL. This shit is one of the safest, highest ROI things you can do.

so a tranny

I don't think I can do that job. I don't know shit about programming and shit

>learn 10x faster on stackoverflow for free
i hope you're not following the pajeet herd here

based. I fucking hate the transition to agile methodology as well. they make you track your time on each task too?

that's retarded, you can more easily and more quickly learn high math and CS concept from Youtube/forums/reading code for free, than from a university. If you're a shit programmer, it's your own fault, not because you didn't go to uni. Whatever you learn in 4 years of uni, you can learn in 1 one of self study, and for free.

Most effective ways to self study? Currently going to university for BA but want to try my hand as a new hobby.

youtube/reddit/irc/forums/reading open source code/research papers

people talk shit on CS all the time but i get the sense that it comes from a place of jealousy and i promise you that not everyone is capable of sitting down and programming every day

>but my company is set up in Estonia so I pay 0% tax.
Larp detected.
>t. actual person with a company in Estonia

Thanks. I'm just getting BA degree because some mates have jobs at companies and can get me in if I just get a bachelors degree. I've never really looked into coding, what makes a good programmer? I've never particularly had an interest in math, am I fucked?

This is it. Programming is an intelligence & attention test and most people fail it.

I have an accredited software engineering degree and was hired on as a software engineer in the title. So yeah I feel ok calling myself that.

Depends for what, to do web or front end development, you only need average IQ and the ability to sit and look at code for a few hours in a row daily

To be a decent programmer though, you need at least slightly above average IQ and the ability to sit and look at code 10hours a day for years.

programming is a vast field, people specialize, and what makes you good at front end doesn't make you good at data science or systems programming or whatever the fuck else. There's dozens, maybe hundreds of sub fields. And 99% of programmers don't need math at all, but those that earn the most do. Math is not important at all to get started programming, or even to get a decent job. Logic is though.

I'd like to think I am a logical person. Which language do you suggest for a beginner?

The high paying ones require real provable skill. Preferably you will have internships and projects you can talk about before you graduate. Otherwise you will end up coding for shitcorp making $60k-$75k a year. Not terrible, b iui t not the upper end of $120k + bonuses starting people boast about.

want a job? Rails maybe
want to be ready for the future? Python with machine learning

It is all how you spin it. Applied mathematics is huge right now. Granted it is more niech but it pays well if you know advanced math and can code. Big data is still huge. Everyone collects everything about users but don't know how to analyze and manipulate the data sets.

I'll take a look at Python. Thanks frens

what projects are you interested in coding? You need to start with easy projects you're interested in, otherwise you won't have the motivation to figure it out. Learning for the sake of learning is useless because in this field, you never stop learning.

Whichever you see most often in job ads in your area.
It's not gonna be assembly language or anything obscure, so the most sought after language is 99% certainly one that's good for a beginner.
Check job ads for c#/.net/ruby/python/java. Also learn javascript as a secondary language. And do yourself a favor - do not learn it as a main one.

Everyone I interview with in software always brags about how they don’t have a CS degree. They have some disdain for me because I have one. I would say don’t get one I think it actually has hurt my chances really.

Made this point the other day when people were talking about their jobs and salaries. Seems like every retard on biz is making $100k at 25 as some sort of CS developer lmao

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I question the intelligence of anyone that got a degree in the last 5-10 years. Why would you pay and waste time driving to some classroom to learn something you can learn for free from your house. You'd have to be a brainlet.

I'm basically just paying for the piece of paper. Brainlet move I guess but the price I have to pay to play to get into some of these companies. I don't think they'll teach me much because I have a pretty good foundation of business knowledge and experience that can't be taught but (((HR))) departments won't even look since they're still assmad that they had to pay 100k for their shit degrees

Not really sure yet. I have my real estate license and have an idea for an app that could be helpful for my office so maybe something like that? And then maybe a mobile game

I'm not sure if I'll be good at it or even like it but I won't know unless I try and it's a better use of my time trying to learn than going to get drunk or playing video games for endless hours

Thanks mate. What languages do you know?

Honestly, does anyone here has a good source (website, course, even a book) to self-teach yourself from home? especially the math you need for CS...

If you want to do a web app, learn javascript, if you want to do some desktop automation script for your office, learn javascript or python. If you want to do a mobile game, I'm not sure, but not python nor javascript. I think Android uses Java.

That's too broad of a question. Math is a vast field. Programming is a vast field. Math used in programming is a vast field. There's no one source that teach it all. Figure out what specific field you want to learn, then go ask on reddit/programming forums. Or Google it, someone will have asked it 1000x already. No matter what you're trying to learn, there's probably 100 pajeets making youtube videos about it.

he said the word

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i studied CS and honestly there were not many people that got the degree, i think if you are a backend developer you can easily find a good job

Money is time. Time is time. The thousands of hours/dollars wasted at uni could have been spent networking, applying to jobs and/or doing free internships.

If you apply for jobs and network for thousands of hours, you're gonna get a job regardless of if you have a degree or not. And the experience you get from this first job increases your salary for the next job you move up to more than a degree. Oh and you actually get paid. Money now is worth 10x the money later, because it can be invested.

Yes, on every task devs are required to log time spent in JIRA so that the sprint burndown chart is accurate every day. The chart isn't even that helpful, it's like the equivalent of "muh TA lines" for scrum masters.

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I'm only going at night and online to finish what I started years ago. I can still do internships and actively network. The college has an accelerated program for adults returning. Some of the connections I've already got can get me jobs within their companies but I need the bachelors for these jobs for cosmetics. They'll pay for a masters if I choose to go that route. I understand the opportunity costs but willing to make the trade off. Also, my dad and grandfather never went to college work me getting a bachelors would make them happy and proud. There is more to life than just money and I am confident in my ability to provide a sound financial future for myself and future family so I want to make my family proud while they're still around to see it. Soft I guess but sometimes it's the little things that make this shit existence worth living.

If you can finish it quickly and cheaply, it might be ROI positive at this point, but the optimal move would have been to never go. Going to school for unlicensed professions is inferior than learning on your own + networking on your own.

What is "cheap as shit", from what I see it costs about 7 grand for the total tuition?

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I agree, but I can't go back to change it now. I'm still going to be working while I finish school so money is still coming in to put into investments. I'm currently in a better position than a lot of other people my age and have some natural abilities so even if everything goes to shit I'll be part of the pack. I'm not looking for fabulous wealth, just want to start a comfy life with my gf. We are gonna make it, fren.

What's your story? How old are you, what paths did you take? Just curious, not looking to argue or criticize. Nobody that comes here is normie NPC tier so we'll always have that leg up on the rest of society.

What porn games do you recommend?

Now this is a thread that shouldn’t die. Use this info wisely lads.

Hated when I had to do that in my previous job.

Dude that's nothing, check out what I do.
Started an LLC with some tech-sounding name
Make a game
>resume: Lead software developer at ________ LLC for 4 years

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I'm making 70k right out of college junior programmer. Don't listen to these dullards

If they're smarter why do they earn half the salary?