Healthcare System

> South american niggers work bad because they're niggers
> THEN socialized healthcare doesn't work
Is that true?
You'd better check civilized countries socialized healthcare too.

Single payer is the least worst best option.

(Read that again slowly once or twice if you need to)
T. Unironically a hospital admin. working in the finance dept of a world renowned hospital network based in NYC.

>But on the flipside, doctors and employees don't give 2 fucks about you.
In America, you will never be treated as badly as you will by medical professionals. You wait for 6-12 hours in ERs here too. Doctors will never give you a bill or explain to you. They get paid by pill companies here to push that companies drugs. They know less about these drugs than a google search. I never left a doctor confident he knew what he was doing that isn't a surgeon. They're idiots fairly often.

Hey admin, how much an abdomen ultrasound costs in NYC?
(That's a guy putting a "special" camera on your abdomen and taking some pic)
It could theoretically cost $1, how much is it instead?

I live in a country whiter than Spain. That will happen to you as well because the type of socialism that's promoted in the US is noth nordic, it's latin american. Be my guest, give it a shot lol

Yeah because that machine, training, expenses and salaries are paid with $1.
Are you fucking retarded?

No it doesn't. In what possible world do you think free market entails borderless globalism.

Public healthcare is not socialism, you have public healthcare in a lot of countries that voted for right wing parties too.

Please admin, tell me how much is it, are you ashamed?

>Right wing
Yeah right.
>Socialism
I'm not saying it is, but when it's the only option, you're most likely fucked.

>chinese medicine isn't a thing

I'm not the admin guy

Do you think that chinese healthcare is actually using chinese medicine? Loltfl

>do you think the words in my post were supposed to mean something? [random letters]

Name these countries.

I see that an abdomen ultrasound in Nyc costs around 118$
If you bought a car for that price ratio (because cars too imply expenses, salaries, machines, training), how much would it cost?

> do you think being a nigger is a thing?

Canada, UK, Sweden, France, Italy, for example

Both models have strength and weaknesses. For example if private institutions like insurance companies or privately managed centers can have healthy competition private is probably better. If monopolies are created and start exploiting consumers, even if valid in some industries is generally not good, and worse when it comes to healthcare since a lot consider a basic need. In that case it's probably better the government manually fixing some of the issues. Economies are complex

Every single proposition in this post is false.

Estonia

i'm okay with public healthcare as long as it's a nation state, if i'm paying for other Estonians, which are basically my extended family then it's okay. When I start paying for pajeets,muhammad and groids then i'm not interested in it anymore.

>free market has never existed, humans can't be trusted
Humans can't be trusted is why Free Markets work, and centralizing authority into the hands of a few humans (who can't be trusted) is a disaster.

As long as pajeets, groids and muhammads contribute to the system and are not fucking parasites, i'm ok with them.

>$118 is a price ratio

But if you let (((corps))) manage your healthcare, schools and prisons, you will end up worse than groid countries.

I know nothing of the government in estonia. I just know american college socialists love to point to europe as 'right wing governments' with socialist policies when as a brit who has also lived in Germany i know it to be false. We have socialist governments with public infrastructure still more privatized that they would like to believe

118 : 1, if you read prev messages.
Nig nog, can't spoonfeed you with any sentence.

None of those countries are right wing.

Tell that 20% of the European population paying over 50% of their income to finance 80% that have never been productive in their life, mostly shitskins, genetic failures and shitskins

Us College socialists > libtards, the worst thing ever appeared in mankind.
I don't see how UK could be considered as "socialist", if you remove libtard non-senses like politically correct thinking, that's always an US exported mental disorder.

>I can compare the price to the number 1, therefore it's a price ratio
>I refer to every price as a price ratio
What's the price ratio of your skitzo meds, my guy? Have you taken them lately?

Oh and add women. Women are the most unproductive demographic in existence, especially women born between 1945 and 1985. They have a worse tax ratio than american niggers

Been waiting 45 minutes. There's an unanounced strike. Doctor isn't coming. I'm not surprised, this is the norm. I'll just curevmy hand myself, reschedule for who knows when, hope the wound heal well and be back (wasting time and money) again.
Yes, socialized healthcare is cheap. But not worth it.

I honestly don't know what's the answer. It seems that culture is the answer. But we discarded that long time ago.

> libtoid attacks
I was just simplyfing, imbecile, i don't think that a total essay comparing private healthcare tariffs and reality is really needed in this conversation.
If you don't agree, you can argue that you don't believe that prices are too high.

For white people, single payer is best. For blacks, the best health care system is "rape two babies and call me in the morning."

>118:1
You set that $1 price. You're an illiterate idiot.

Problem is that your country has a spain-fucked work culture, private healthcare won't solve that and you know it.

The UK is certainly socialist:
> state schooling
> universal healthcare
> comprehensive industry and business regulations
> high tax rate
> high government land ownership
> pervasive state public transport

Then things would could be characterized as socialist but not necessarily uniquely so:
> restrictions on speech
> government regulation of media
> public communications monitoring
> public surveillance
> high immigration levels
> particular taxes against private ownership such as stamp duty

As said in my early post im intimately familiar with the UK and Germany and in terms of policies the UK is very socialist. Now in pratice the population has never been in favour of these things so it's a fight for the government and as such we still have private hospitals, private schools, private transport where cities don't restrict it yet. So in practice we're not the socialist utopia americans think we are but the governance certainly is.

I don't really want to explain why a pic costs $1, is it needed? Is not clear in your liberal mind?

Idiot. Literally idiot. Look at Germany if you want to see public healthcare in action. Again. 20% pay 55% of their income to finance 80% of the unproductive population, or better pay the interest on debt taken one since the 90's when the system actually broke after 20 years

This but I'd more say single payer is ONLY possible long term in a white (or EA) nation. I'm still not convinced it is actually better and I say this as an NHS worker.

So, in your believings, a socialist country is when state is involved, and a non-socialist country is a totally fucked liberist system in which the state lets "the invisible market hand" solve everything.

It seems you miss a lot of nuances in that believing.

I think that poster might actually be a bot or drunk because the posts are gramatically correct but not fully rational.

>It is not real socialism tm
Kill yourself go move to venezuela

Calling me idiot won't solve your problems.
You're not even right-wing, you're just a retard burger, probably even an half white trash.

He means Chinese-style healthcare. Where you write a check at the end of your hospital stay, if your unregulated drugs don't kill you.

Yes, 80% of the population do literally nothing

You are an idiot, and your word means shit. You have nothing to say that has any foundation in reality. If you cailm to play devils advocat to steer discussion, kys double fucking plebbit big brain

correct. They live of welfare, are children, Boomers who have never reached a positive tax ratio do to early retirement and state subsidies propping up a dead system or women that work half time at most and run to the hospital for every shitty headache

I'm sorry you're off your meds, probably cause you can't afford them

Run back to plebbit, or move to Venezuela and hope that your mom will not throw you out when you reach 18, underage socialist faggot

Ok, that's interesting, but i'm sorry to inform you that your beliefs are fucked up.
You believe that being right-wing is standing for private sector, that is different from private (((corps))), that usually let "market laws" to poor shits like you and apply "market cartels" and "state helps" when it's about their business going shitty.

Keep paying for your (((student loan))) and be happy, moron.

Well no that's your either/or mindset. I also said government, not country. You characterise a government on the balance of their support for certain systems; increasing state ownership of land/infrastructure and general private property potentially including speech and activity is socialist.

More support for limited government, reduced regulations and more protections for private property is right wing in a commonly understood sense. The last 2 decades of government has only on balance acted along the socialist path.

>i'm sorry to inform
Take your state dependent ass or big brained devils advocat shit somewhere else underage faggot

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>Hey admin, how much an abdomen ultrasound costs in NYC?
Would vary widely as you can imagine in a city of millions. If you have some kind of insurance price will depend on what they negotiated with us or whoever your provider is.

This is partly why I favor single payer...it's a fucking mess having 200+ payers and over 10,000 billing codes. That inefficiency costs us, which means it costs you. I have five people whose sole job is to argue with insurance companies so we get paid. If we just dealt with Medicare I could lay three of them off or reassign them to do something more useful.

Good thing no one in the US is calling for socialized medicine. Under a single-payer all facilities would still be privately owned and operated. It just means we all send the bill to one place. Reimbursement formulas would have to played with naturally but the system would likely be better off in the long run.

>Spain lazy communist culture
You're right on that.
>Private won't solve it
Wrong. Everything sucks here, but there's a reason rich people pay better clinics and private schools. They don't deal with this bullshit. Besides, often they go to the US to get treatment, they pay up, and it gets solved. That's how it works, life is not a college liberal textbook.
>Hurr durr people should work for free except me.
You're a dumbass.
>Single payer.
I have no idea how things are called there. Here it's like this:
There's a tax that funds healthcarr. You can choose state run, or cooperative run medical facilities. They're pretty much all the same.
High end hospitals are outside the system and you pay them (but still have to pay the tax). Sorry for bad grammar, in a rush.

It's hard to explain in some few sentences, as there are many facets in every system.
Problems in US aren't with private sector, but start with (((corps))).
In europe what can't be managed by private sector, because of the huge costs and negative rois, was managed by the state, this changed towards decades and now we have a mixed system in almost every field.
There are (good) public schools, and there are pivate schools, for example.

Sorry, i'm not english native, this is my second language, how i speak can sound strange to your delicate burger ears.
BUT "advocat", please, learn some fucking spelling, nig.

>I'm not a mutt
Me neither, but if you are european and are literally arguing for socialist shit, you are one of those 80% who never worked a day in his life. Bet you are some brainwashed student who believes he will land a well paying job once he finishes his studies in meme degree. Come back when you worked a day in your life, till then, you should be prohibited from speaking, let alone vote.

Specialist physician here, only idiots don’t back single payer bc they think is muh communism. Medicine is the biggest scam in US society. Single payer is the only way out. It’s not great but it’s less bad than the shit we have now. That said I make $450k working 4 days a week. I hope y’all keep voting against single payer but I know it’s whats best.

This

There is a reason I said single payer is the least worst best option...it still won't be perfect. Wait times will absolutely increase...but then again that's kind of an issue now (my sister in law had to wait 7 weeks to get an MRI of her c-spine because of her insurance company being dicks).

But I think it would be better than what we have now in America. People don't seem to understand we're already financing freeloaders; just in the most inefficient manner possible.

His math sucks for a bot lol
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I was shitposting obviously

I totally agree with the single payer idea, and some depreciation rule should be applied, since it exists in every free market.

This is not about communist, every single country plagued by ancient spain dominion shows similar problems.
With private sector you would end having the same sluggish and lame doctors and paying a lot for them.
Work for free =/= Suck blood from poor niggers to have that 900k benefit EOY i don't really deserve because we make our fucking rules.

Post your scope.

Scopes are for the loser physicans I’m a chad physician I don’t need a scope

Sorry to inform you, advocat, that i work in one of the most taxed and right-less sectors in my country.
I bet you're a burger living with a social card, and probably half nigger too.

>That said I make $450k working 4 days a week.
Neuro, cardiothoracic, or ortho surgeon detected.

Yeah i agree it's complex and i don't like left/right as any useful political terminology especially for current scenarios. There are good ways of doing socialism and bad ways of doing capitalism and vice versa. In current situations im a small state conservative but im partial to certain nationalistic socialist systems.

>Spain bla bla
Again, the private sector here isn't perfect but it's much, MUCH more efficient than anything public. So, again, you're wrong.
>Suck blood
$118 might be a steep price, no idea. But you certainly are a retard if you think it should cost $1. You're like a snail of retardation leaving behind a trail of incoherent posts.

>"Canada, UK, Sweden, France, Italy, for example"
>Thinks those are "right wing"

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> Medicine is the biggest scam in US society
That i was saying.

>Taxed to death
>argues socialism
larp, you are a student. As big brained as you argue you never worked a day in your life and all you know from reality is from liberal textbooks from the 70's

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>pays out the ass in insurance premiums
>then has to pay thousands more to meet his deductible before his insurance company will shell out even a penny

You show 'em!

France #1 plebs

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Can you read libtard student
I'm not a mutt. And I haven't needed healthcare for the last 20 years, beside paying every month 45% of my income into this shitty state run ponzi scheme you seem to love so much, because, well you are dependent on it, without it, you would probably die.

National Socialism is always a good choice.

Please, look at how mid-class people enjoy private sector, with a mid-class insurance.
That fucking lazy ass doctor won't be fired in private sector.

> 65 yrs old selfish burger
You nig-nog can't even think about your country, that is made of people like you, that is your family.

Yes, i would like to pay less taxes, but i want healthcare to stay free.

>but i want healthcare to stay free.
this is what annoys me about a lot of the people calling for single-payer. It won't be "free". I support it because it's more efficient, but it won't be "free". I accept higher taxes in return for a better system. Plus I fucking loathe insurance companies. They provide literally nothing of value.

>Trying the moral argument
Now you are grasping for straws socialist scum. Go kys state dependent leech, without daddy state genetic failures like you would have long died out, and that would have been a good thing

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Yes, i know i'm paying for it and it's not free, do you burgers like spoonfeed speeches?

I'm not grasping anything, when you burger put your fat hand on your chest at baseball match national anthem, you're not doing it to drop hotdog breadcrumbs, i suppose.

That kind of selfish "muh i dun't need it now i dun wanna pay for eet" is very lame.

Except it's not free when a third party is paying for it.

>parroting retarded right-wing talking points and r/thedonald ad hominems
>clearly a boomer

I bet you waved a sign that said "keep government out of my medicare" at a Tea tard rally in 2010.

>Yes, i know i'm paying for it and it's not free, do you burgers like spoonfeed speeches?

>but i want healthcare to stay free.

then why the hell did you call it free? Do you whatever the fucks you are know how words work?

You are still on the Burger meme socialist scum.
Read the posts, I'm European, I paid around 300K in income taxes and social security alone during my life while I got maybe 15K back. I would wish I wouldn't have to pay for unproductive student scum like you. Hell stay as unproductive as now, be responsible for tax income to decline even more, be responsible for public debt to go up even more, and in 10 years when there is no public security to protect your ass I will gladly shoot your kind

>but REAL capitalism hasn't been tried
this is what you sound like.

The dnc definitely needs to get better shills, you suck more than the last batch

Because it's commonly called "free healthcare" too.
It's basically free for some poor people who didn't really paid for it.
That is not necessarily a fucking parasite nigger, but a white poor granma too.

White grandma should die if she was born between 1945 and 1985. She leeched long enough. same goes for every Negro, shitskin and spic

What would you prefer, to pay some (((insurance))) to "improve" the healthcare system?

I already told you i'm not a student, i'm a private contractor, and i pay a lot of taxes just like you, nig.
I don't have problems if state supports weak people, obviously it hasn't to become a shithole country supporting every sort of nigger and human abomination to fulfill some libtard moron's dream.

Today I learned there are Euroboomers. Holy shit. I thought the Boomer plague was primarily an Anglosphere problem.

Tell me of your culture...what do you do for fun? How overweight are you? In the unlikely event you have children how much do you hate them?