Is LASIK a good investment?

I did this. I felt intense pain that night, my eyes burned for days, i couldn't look at the sun or any bright things and i still couldn't see until it fully healed. I have -0.25 because of the scarring.
If you don't mind going through hell for a month, it's cheaper and better.

Maybe you wouldn't have had shitty eyes if you weren't looking at the sun in the first place.

I did some variant of eye surgery. There are lots of different ways, not just the standard LASIK. There was a laser, but it didnt cut off a part of the eye, just burned some region, which later healed into a different density or something like that, dunno.
Basically, half an hour in the building total, then 1 week of recovery and my eyes have been perfect ever since. Such a good experience that I still cant believe this shit. No glasses, no lenses, nothing is needed. Eyes dont even get sore after being in front of the computer a whole day, when they were previously sore/dry already after 1-2 hours.

Tech is still no where near perfection. There are still a ton of people every year that still get side effects that are irreversible. I'm looking into intacts instead. It's the process where they fill in the lens.

Eye surgery was the best thing I've made. Paid 3k€ and I will never regret it. First 14 days are shit and you have to always put drops in your eyes but it's 100% worth it.

This.

I got laser surgery too back in 2013 I think.

I see halos around lights at night or during movies if there's extreme contrast (white light on pitch black background). I was unlucky in that regard as most people don't get that (my brothers didn't get that) but it's still amazing and I would do it again.

I had contacts for ten years as well as glasses for 15 so it was a huge change for me. Also, no need to worry about a contact falling out during sport but I guess that isn't an issue for most of you on here lol

Lasik ruins lifes

Kek I have keratoconus

You don't wanna see my eye topographies
Im a fucking mess

My eyesight seems to be 100% perfect with no discomfort when I put in my contacts. How much of a difference or improvement would I notice after lasik, other than for the hassle of contact lens care?

The only difference would be the hassle.
And the discomfort after a few hours.
Also the fact that you have good eyesight during times of duress (break-in in the middle of the night, getting chased through a forest for weeks by a pack of zombies, ...).

I'd get the surgery just to be rid of the hassle of cleaning my glasses alone; but only if it's 100% guaranteed safe.
So I'm probably never getting the surgery.

Had Lasik back in 2015, still have perfect 20/20 vision with no noticeable side effects. Perhaps I got lucky?

Based and suicidepilled

Yeah I think I’m going to play it safe when it comes to my eyes. I don’t trust any irreversible procedure when it comes to something as important as my eyes.

Don't they only do one eye at a time? Heard they won't let you get both done at once.

I considered this angle, but then thought to myself "fuck it". It is definitely life changing, but you have to decide if you are happy with the risk or not. I accept that I took a risk and got lucky.

Didn't do LASIK, did PRK instead, but it's the best decision I ever made and it only cost me $4,500.

When I got it, they did both eyes (one after another within the span of a few minutes). Tbh it's a very uncomfortable process, I think people would get anxiety about returning for the 2nd eye if done separately.

Lasik cost me ~$6400 AUD, which in USD in 2015 was roughly $5000 USD. In my case the doctors suggested Lasik over PRK, but I imagine there are situations where they would recommend PRK.

Yes if you sell lasik surgeries.

Nah, that was with LASIK 20 years ago. My doc laughed when I asked about that.
They did my TransPRK both eyes at the same time. Told that they didnt yet have any bad results in 5 over years of using PRK, and I saw that their waiting room was always full of customers.
Probably even safer than driving a car or flying. Do you avoid those as well? If you are poor or dont literally have any problems with contacts, then of course there is no need to. Contacts will cost you money in the long run however as well.

I've considered it, but my vision is only -1.5 and I don't mind wearing glasses

sounds like you paid for it

>LASIK
>potential of the flap falling open
NOPE

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Bollox. They lie to their customers about safety. I got a retinal detachment months after a PRK last year. Floaters, a shit cut and now and now i need a new lens.

My eyes are already dry all the time. Having them being even drier sounds like a living nightmare.

>i couldn't look at the sun
>after having laser eye surgery
are you some kind of retard or something?

you paid for it, cuck

I want PRK but im afraid. Been wearing glasses since I was 5. I already have floaters from being extremely near sighted.

Had Wavefront Lasik done in December 2017. So far it's been ok. I did have right my eye slightly regress 7 month later which I'm going to get a touch up done next month for it. Other than that, my eye isn't really dry but I do get blurry halos at night sometimes. Still leagues better than what I had.

Costed me $4500 CAD in Ontario.

The results aren't permanent. Your eyes will degrade as you age so at best you have 10 years before you need to wear glasses again. But the side effects like halos, amd poor dark vision never go away.

depends if you are lucky then it can be a huge help, but here is 2 things they will lie about:
1) the procedure is not reversible or correctible most of the times despite what they are saying if they fuck it up no fixing it
2) your nightvision will be fucked up, basically you will only have good vision in bright conditions even dusk or dawn will give you halos and blurry vision if you have bigger pupil than 6mm (most people do)

if the correction is slight and not huge dioptres then the problems are a lot less prevalent obviously.

me too used to have eagle eye but at near 40 my eyes are not what they used to be at all. in a few more years i might need glasses.

Don’t you worry about what happens if your boyfriend’s semen gets in your eye?

>See halos
Nope

LASIK is shit and complications are routine with it. PRK is less shit, the correction is carved right onto your cornea so there is no flap to worry about.

That said, realistically, your chances of experiencing some degree of permanent visual complications (to say nothing of physical/infection/dry eye etc issues) are basically 100%. I say this because from an optical perspective, it's impossible that you WOULDN'T have halos and starbursts at night afterwards unless your pupil never dilates larger than 6mm even in pitch darkness. The optical zone etched into your eyes is 6mm, so when your pupils dilate beyond that point, you will basically have an overlay of your old uncorrected vision projected on top of your good eyesight, because some portion of light is passing through the uncorrected portion of your cornea and hitting your retinas. These manifest as halos (glare rings around light sources) and starbursts (sharp asterisk-like explosions coming from light sources). Your nighttime/low-light visual acuity and contrast sensitivty in general will take a huge as well.

Again, these WILL happen to you if your pupil dilates beyond 6mm at night. That's 99% of the population. It's not a coin toss, it's not a maybe. You WILL be stuck with these things.

Most people though will say they NEVER have visual issues. This is a combination of NPCism (they are too un-self-aware to even notice that they are having visual issues) and cope (it's a permanent alternation, there is no undo button, so they just live with it and say life is fine). My sister and father both had it done, they said it was great, no complaints. I had it done to myself and had all the aforementioned visual problems. I asked them about it and they both said, yes, they have those problems too and they're very bothersome. I asked them WHY THE FUCK didn't they tell about those issues before I irreversibly underwent the procedure myself. And they just gave that NPC look.

I already have floaters in my eyes and just learn to cope with them. Are halos that much worse?

>LASIK is shit and complications are routine with it. PRK is less shit
that's not how it works
lasik heals way faster and less painful recovery that's why it was invented. also you can't remove the outer layers of your eyeball without consequences.

aside from that agreed. they lie that only 1 or 2% develop these symptoms when in reality depending on the ambience it's probably closer to 90%.

I can't tell you not to get laser correction, it's your choice, I won't lie and say there hasn't been some conveniences that come with it. My daytime acuity is 20/20 still 6 years after the procedure. But, there is really nothing you can get from laser correction that you can't get from a good pair of contacts.

If you still want to get laser correction though, AT LEAST DO THESE THINGS:

1)Request Prevue lenses. These are contact that simulate the 6mm optical zone of laser correction, which means they also will simulate the nighttime visual problems you will have after the procedure. Wear them around for a week, especially at night, and see if you can live with these visual artifacts. If you can't, then don't get the procedure.

2)Get a PRK and not LASIK. Yes it hurts like fuck afterward and takes months to heal and get your best vision, but not having to carry around the liability of a flap for the rest of your life is priceless.

3)Don't skimp. Don't go to one of those $1000/eye chain offices. Find a private practice run by someone who's been doing it for 30 years who's written fucking papers about it. If you have to travel or fly to do it with someone reputable, so be it. I'd say anything less than $4000 for the whole procedure (both eyes) means you're putting your eyes at additional risk.

If your short-sight is caused by prolonged computer use, is it possible to reverse it by focusing on far away things for prolonged periods of time?

You're plainly misinformed. LASIK never heals at all. The flap can always be re-opened later. The interface, the extra surface area, the risk of flap dislocation, those stay there for life.

LASIK also severs nerve endings that run throughout the eye, which means a large part of the surface of your cornea stops being able to sense moisture, dryness, etc. With PRK there is a lot less of an issue of this. So persistent dry eye is a much more frequent occurence after LASIK vs PRK.

>also you can't remove the outer layers of your eyeball without consequences

Very true. But, whether you're doing LASIK or PRK, you're removing SOME layer of your eyeball, permanently, regardless. That's how you get the correction of course. And there are consequences no matter which way you slice it.

Why didn't they invent computer scanned contact lenses that stay forever on your eyes instead of this laser shittery?

There are surgically implanted lenses

again half okay advice half bullshit.
trade-offs between prk and lasik are not so simple. frankly at this point i would stay away until medical technology progresses to a point where they can fix botched surgeries.

these procedures are automated to a degree that a monkey can do them. the machines are largely doing everything on their own. but here is the thing the result will largely depend on your genetics and how much your eyes get corrected. if you are very prone to scarring and keloids you will likely get shit results if the best surgeon does it. the effects also may not be longer lasting than a year or three depending on your genetics. it's all a big gamble at the best of times. and there is no undoing it. well you can if lucky get a cornea transplant it will cost you a small fortune and even that can reject.

prk also removes your nerve endings m8. it's not in any better than lasik in this regard. also lasik flap rarely dislocates without heavy trauma after a few weeks passed and it heals around.

FUCKING BOOMER

>doing something IRREVERSIBLE to your EYES
Nope

I can partially answer this because I actually have computer scanned lenses. The micrometer-by-micrometer personalized corrections that a computer will etch into a contact lens, they need to be etched on a rigid material or else the corrections become moot. So, you need to wear rigid scleral lenses (they vault over the cornea and rest on the whites of your eyes). They're very large and difficult to get used to. And my custom contacts (which I got to try to get rid of my nighttime vision issues, with minimal success) cost me $4000 for the pair.

And I don't even wear them that often except for when I go out of my way to wear them and take a night walk just so I can remind myself a little bit of what my vision was like before I got PRK done. Honestly at this level of advanced cope that I'm at, it does more harm than good - reopens old wounds, stirs up old neuroses and I-should-have-dones, etc. Kind of like staring at a screenshot of your January 2018 portfolio value.

Use SMILE instead forget about LASIK or PRK allaboutvision.com/visionsurgery/smile.htm

This is the difference laservue.com/smile/smile-lasik-or-prk-which-is-best/

Well, we both agree there's not much reason to get it done, too many risks, too many good alternatives. Regardless of PRK or LASIK. I guess I'm fine leaving it there.

I still 100% am bullish on the prevue lens thing for anyone ignoring the warnings and heading into the procedure. It's a little glimpse of your post-laser future that could save you from making a life-ruining decision. It's important to educate people on them because while the lenses exist, no lasik surgeon on earth will ever suggest or recommend them to interested patients. It would scare off too many easy marks. You have to speak up and ask for them yourself or else it'll never happen.

did you even fucking read my post?

Should I just stick with glasses? My vision isnt even stable at 28 but I have a check up coming up in February. Was planning on doing PRK.

a win/win !
not to mention the money

It's still a permanent removal of corneal tissue that can cause lifelong complications and which is totally unnecessary in light of how cheap and easy contacts are these days. Doesn't matter if the incision is smaller or if it has a normie-friendly gaylord acronym.

If you're really hellbent on it, get preview/prevue contact lenses and you can trial some of the nighttime visual artifacting which you will almost be GUARANTEED to have after the procedure. If you do that and are still ok with proceeding, then I guess weigh the small but nonzero risks of other serious complications occurring (crippling dry eye, infection, keratoconus, etc) and make a big boy decision.

>Most people though will say they NEVER have visual issues. This is a combination of NPCism (they are too un-self-aware to even notice that they are having visual issues) and cope (it's a permanent alternation, there is no undo button, so they just live with it and say life is fine). My sister and father both had it done, they said it was great, no complaints. I had it done to myself and had all the aforementioned visual problems. I asked them about it and they both said, yes, they have those problems too and they're very bothersome. I asked them WHY THE FUCK didn't they tell about those issues before I irreversibly underwent the procedure myself. And they just gave that NPC look.
topkek, what a couple of cunts XD

sure, but only if you look directly into the sun, it stings at first but then you get used to it.

I am thinking about it but i am still a zoomer and I guess i am young enough to wait 5-10 years until the tech improves. Glasses dont stop me getting pussy anyway.

Glasses are better than Lasik. Prove me wrong fags. I pay like 50 bucks for glasses and they last 3 to 4 years. And I'm so used to glasses at this point that I would miss them if I didn't wear them

Did you last get glasses 20 years ago?

I have vision insurance and my pair+lenses cost me $500

Yes yes glasses for me sirs. Better to see the bobs

I had worn glasses for 15 years and LASIK is the best investment I've ever made.

that being said it has only been 1.5 years since I got it, I'll let you know when it has been 15 years for a proper comparison.

zennioptical.com/
I bought two exact same pairs like 5 years ago. Still using the first of two pairs and second pair still in their case. Prices may vary now. But back then I paid probably less than 50 bucks a pair

>My vision isnt even stable at 28
It never does, we eyelets are forever cursed with constantly changing shitty vision.

it's non issue for most sportsman since we're not a glasses nerd like you lmao

i did it, it took 20 minutes and hurted for 2 days, but now i can see perfectly
before the operation i couldnt even recognise someone's face from a 3 meters distance now i feel like i see life in 4k
the only con is on sunny days, everything feels brighter, and at night it feels darker too

I never got why they say they can't update lens afterwards. Why can't they just reopen the flap, take out the old lens and put in a new one if the old one is no longer useful?

I've had relex smile two months ago. I went from basically blind to having no issues at all. It really is awesome, plus really cheap in czech republic.

No halos at night?

Any user done this and wants to share his experience?

Bionic eye implants when?

I'm 19 and I'm afraid my vision will get shittier. I just hope in 3 years there will be better solutions even if they will cost 50k.

The only way I would consider Lasik is if I couldn't see at all without glasses or if I was a professional athlete. Like everything would have to be one big blur. Otherwise, what's the point? Do you want to put eye drops in your eyes for the rest of your life? Feel like there's sand between your eyelids? What if something goes wrong from the operation five years from now?

The more things you add into an equation to a solution (the doctor's skill, the procedure, the technology, your genetics, the eye drops, the aftercare) the more likely something will go wrong. Just wear glasses. You have full control over that one.

Oh, this thread again...had Lasik in 2016..too lazy to type it all out, going to copypaste one of my earlier posts i made about this a year or so ago..
just need to find it on my other harddrive, wait for it

Let me tell you a bloated story:
I was nearsighted with a prescription of -5dpt.
I wore soft contact lenses from 2013 to 2016, everyday for atleast 14h. No problems.
But because you are getting accustomed to your situation you always feel the need to improve further, even if there is nothing to improve.
So I went for refractive surgery and had Lasik in July 2016.
Since then I'm suffering from higher order aberrations.
Short explanation why that happens:
With Lasik the laser removes cornea tissue at the center of your cornea to flatten it (because nearsighted eyeballs are too steep). The diameter of this "cornea burning" is 6.5mm. Thats a standard, because removing a wider circle of tissue would also mean to burn deeper into the cornea (Munnerlyn Formula is t = S^2 D/3 with S defined as the diameter of the treatment zone), which would result in cornea instability and relating issues such as ectasia and glaucoma.
theres more..

Now the problem is, that most young people with green or blue eyes have scotopic pupils of 7 to 8mm. Maximum pupil size decreases with age btw.
To sum it up: If you are young and have blue or green eyes, your pupil at dim light has a bigger diameter compared to the optical zone of the refractive surgery, which means, after the surgery you will see sharp (through the center of the cornea) and blurry (through the peripheral area of the cornea) at the same time, which is called HOA (higher order aberration). Everything looks blurry and foggy.
Of course nothing of this is mentioned by surgeons and they deny any problems when you talk to them when you are suffering from these issues.
I read hundreds of papers on this topic, I had to neglect my studies for it, because I just had to find out where my vision problems come from.
In 2017 I saw another surgeon to tell me if he could fix it. He told me I should stick with it like it is, because at least at daylight my vision is good.
theres even more...

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Then I tried to get fitted with scleral lenses, which solved the vision problem but I couldnt stand them for more than 5 hours per day and they were super expensive. Then I tried custom fitted rigid gas permeable corneal lenses and they solved the vision problem, too, but the lens fitter couldnt get the lenses to stay at the center of my cornea.
I wasted 3000eur on Lasik and 2000eur on tries to fix it.
Through this journey I got in contact with someone who had three surgeries with one of the best ophthalmologists in the world and every surgery made it worse and he lost his job and his wife because of his issues, and he wasted more than 20000eur in the process.

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Btw: There is a hot new study, just a month old.
Lasik flap can be dislocated easily even 10 years after surgery
ncbi.nlm .nih.gov /pmc/articles/PMC6630027/

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That's fucked user. Contacts it is, especially for how comfortable they can be nowadays, I don't think it's worth to risk something as fundamental as the eyes

the pic i attached to this post is actually from another study, not the flap dislocation study
it shows that an increase of higher order aberrations can be found basically in every second lasik procedure

what about other surgeries like RPK? Seems like they could make the corrective diameter as wide as they want since it's ablating the surface.

Yes.
Lasik was the worst mistake of my life by far.
Should have just sticked with my coopervision biofinity soft contacts that i imported from eastern europe for like 80 bucks a year.
I feel so fucking dumb for replacing my perfect soft contact vision and comfort with shitty HOA vision, with dry eyes and potential flap risk.
Worst decision of all time by far and i will never stop feeling suicidal thinking about it.

To anyone: if you really need to go for refractive surgery please at least go for Topography-guided ablation and TransPRK
this is the least fucked up option

another vote for 'fuck destructive eye surgery'
between lenses and glasses, I'm fine until a good solution is invented

No!
It doesnt matter if its PRK, Lasik, Relex Smile or any other procedure you hear about.
Munnerlyn Formula is always relevant.
t = S^2 D/3 with S defined as the diameter of the treatment zone
Tissue ablation depth increases by a power of two with ablated area diameter

fucking /thread
holy shit i laughed so hard

Your shitty experience will save some of us here who are persuaded by your words. Stay strong user

Checked.
I hope so, man.
If I can only save a few people from going through what i am going through by sharing my story there is still a reason for me to live

of course there are a lot of lasik success stories. but the risk is never worth it

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Here I am running around 10+ years with glasses, not even considering contacts lol.

My vision is not too bad, maybe -0.75 dioptre so I don't bother using glasses, but having better vision would still be great. Is there a surgery that fits me? Something that isn't quite as drastic and expensive as LASIK, but in return don't have to correct the vision that much either?

The not drastic solution is glasses, surgeries are always drastic.

Glasses sounds super shitty though, I don't want to carry around or wear something on my face all the time. I'd rather have surgery than that.