Median wealth in this beautiful country

That is bullshit, Germany is still Top10 ( which isnt good but also not one of the poorest )

>Germany is doing fine
Das stimmt.

>STILL TOP 10
>TOP KEK
>POOR EUROFAGS
>AMERICA #1 ALPHA AF!!
>you eurocucks are lucky we let you breathe

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germany has the second highest taxes in europe and less household wealth than greece, spain and portugal. but enough money to blow 100 billion a year on refugees and bail out southern euro shit countries whenever their banks go bust.

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>The braindrain of well educated workers already started. Most faggots who study engineering are going abroad
Show proof in form of numbers with reliable source otherwise unbased gibberish.

In order to make you you're not supposed to wagecuck. You're supposed to become an entrepreneur yourself and the environment for that is better than ever. Even if you fail your not in the gutter like in most other countries. You have infinite chances in Germany.

wsj.com/articles/SB10001424127887323820304578412540882466844

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>above median
>feels GOOOOOOD

jungs ich hab kb nen neuen thread aufzumachen aber könnt ihr mir ne bank empfehlen? die juden von der sparkasse verlangen 8,40 kontoführungsgebühren. kb mein geld einer reinen online bank anzuvertrauen wie comdirect usw. bleibt mir da nur die commerzbank/volksbank und postbank?

>ENGLISH NIGGER
>WE DON'T SPEAK POOR AROUND HERE!!

Nimm comdirect. Das ist die Onlinebank der Commerzbank. Mach ich schon seit Jahren. Nie Probleme gehabt.

Hab nen Konto bei Postbank.
Giro XL Plus oder so heißt der scheiß.
Brauchst im Monat nur 3000€ geldeingang.
Kannst gehalt und selber von ner anderen bank hin und her überweisen also ich mache das so und überweise von ing jeden monat den rest auf 3000€ minus meinem lohn sind immer so 300 bis 500 euro je nach zulagen

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can confirm these stats. meanwhile refugees pay some criminals the same amount to come here. just end it.

This is true but you have to include the German benefits or social system in some way.

You don´t pay anything to visit the dentist, or any doctor or the hospital in most cases.
You have better unemployment securities and the standard of living is higher than for example in greece.

i mean, can you drink water from the pipe in greece?
no you can´t.
in germany you can.

have you ever been to a hispital in greece?
they look like theyre 50 years old.
which they are.

you have to put everything in a fair comparison

not to mention that your source is from 2013.

Shortet hier noch jemand den DAX? :3

Hab heute wieder 0.02 BTC verdient. Deutschlandverrecke.

primexbt.com?signup=98608

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>bail out southern euro shit countries whenever their banks go bust.

true but Germany also has a big export surplus.
Germany profits from other EU countries to be liquid because they buy much more from Germany than the other way round.

Read about target2. Germany is the biggest buyer of german goods. We are buying back our own shit to stay in export surplus.

You should discontinue your Salvia trips into parallel realities.

m-mommy. :3

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Wie kann man so dumm sein sein Geld uberhaupt einer deutschen Bank anzuvertrauen, wenn man schon eine Bank nehmen muss.

boomers voted for policies that worked for them, too bad it was on the expense of their offspring

>You don´t pay anything to visit the dentist, or any doctor or the hospital in most cases.
lol user you pay the second highest taxes in europe for that "free" healthcare
>big export surplus
its all financed by TARGET2 credit, look into it and weep user. germany might as well be giving away its export goods for free because the biggest target2 debtors are all bankrupt southern euro countries who will never repay their denbts. you really fell for all the establishment lies hook, line and sinker.

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Deutschland ist an sich das ärmste Land in Europa, vor allem geistig sehr arm geworden weil fast alle schlauen Leute schon geflohen sind.

Währenddessen machen Ermittlungsbehörden und Justiz gemeinsame Sache mit kriminellen Organisationen und die Bevölkerung an sich ist absolut risikoscheu.

whre is the difference to pay with taxes or pay your doctor in cash?

i visited hospitals in italy, spain and greece.
the living standard is not comparible to Germany.

the difference is that with taxes you pay 70-80% of your income involuntary. if you pay your doctor in cash you pay for what you actually need. Im healthy and havent been to a doctor in six years, but I still need to pay six grand a year in private health insurance. meanwhile every negro from africa can come here and get his ebola treated and teeth fixed for free even though he never paid a cent into the system. germany is a country that punishes achievement adn rewards the lowest dregs of society with never ending gibs while retirees have to collect bottles because their pension isnt even enough to live on.

>What went wrong?
What was the original numbers though? x2? 3?

Dude, the real problem with this system is that you sometimes need things you consider basic and essential for yourself (psychologically or even physically), but run risk of not having it covered. While others will have things you consider unessential paid for them. And so you can pay thousands of thousands of bucks, then left unable to afford what you need, while others pay next to nothing and have everything paid for them. If you pay for others and are unable to pay what you need yourself... especially if you get unlucky and this piles up... that's what really sucks.

It's obvious that these countries are worse off than Germany in just about any aspect. Germany is especially good to live in if you're poor or have kids. But if you are highly educated without kids there seem to be a few better alternatives like Switzerland for example.

not even millionaires pay 70% taxes.

the most taxes you have to pay are 42% if you earn more than 54950€"

"Der Spitzensteuersatz ist für Einkommen ab 54.950 Euro mit 42 Prozent festgelegt worden."
financescout24.de/wissen/ratgeber/einkommensteuer

its good if youre unhealthy and a welfare leech. if you make money and youre healthy youre just getting shafted for shit you dont need. also the entire economic model of germany is turning more and more into real wageslavery. the median income is 1.600 euro netto I have no idea how people even live off that kinda money, you end up saving nothing. real estate prices have gone up 33% since 2015, everything is getting crazy expensive. I make more than twice the median income and am a complete cheapskate yet I feel poor af, no idea how Im ever supposed to own a home. meanwhile some syrian family out there collects thousands in gibs every month and gets their house paid for, its sickening to see how this country is deteriorating.

user user anon
you are incredibly naive and bluepilled
you pay 50% income tax and mandatory SS
you pay 19% VAT on everything thats left after that.
So right off the bat 60% of your money is gone
then you pay gas tax, booze tax, capital gains tax, real estate tax, inheritance tax, champagne tax, etc etc etc. soon they will start a new CO2 tax because muh climate change. add it all up youre easily getting shafted for 70-80% of your money and most of the shit in germany is taxed multiple times.

and income tax goes up to 45% aka reichensteuer if you make more than a quarter mill a year.

>you pay 50% income tax and mandatory SS
not true at all
>you pay 19% VAT on everything thats left after that.
not true , there is also 7% for foodstuff and more.
>So right off the bat 60% of your money is gone
not true at all see above
>then you pay gas tax
which is used to repair the streets
>booze tax
rightfully so
> real estate tax
i agrree, this tax is questionable
> inheritance tax
rightfully so you get something for it
> soon they will start a new CO2 tax because muh climate change. add it all up youre easily getting shafted for 70-80%

not true at all

you act like you pay taxes and get nothing for it.
if you pay taxes on fuel the fucking road is repaired with that money.

and you can say you pay 50% taxes all day long. it isn´t true.

you pay a maximum amount of 42% of your income if you earn more than 54950 period.

youre the typical german cuck who thinks its cool to be the richest country with second highest taxes in europe while at the same time being among the poorest countries in terms of household wealth. its all good because muh tap water and muh healthcare. you also have no clue what youre talking about, Co2 tax is already being discussed EU wide and it will happen, theyre already rolling out new taxes for flights even though we already have a umweltsteuer on airplane flights. and you really want to tell me about half your income isnt being taxed by social security and income tax? maybe if youre married with children and your wife has some low paying shitjob to offset the tax buredn, if youre single youre getting fucked big time.

>muh roads
the roads here are absoultely shit and closed off for months on end for reparations. theyre all clogged off because we have way too many people in this overcrowded country already. and not even to mention that local communes have to pay extra charges for roads in their own streets in case you didnt know so you get shafted AGAIN. absolutely cringe and bluepilled

what stocks you eyeing ?

>Germany is doing fine
Yeah, no. Fuck off, retard. Germany is on the best way to become a shitskin communist eco islamic shithole.
It's either civil war or exile.

i am the kind of german who can read and relate to facts.

you pay a maximum amount of 42% on your income.
the rest are social contributions which will give you a return.

and i already told you that you cant compare the households in europe just by numbers because you have to include other metrics.

why don´t you just leave and go to italy or greece if thats the heaven on earth?

>like you pay taxes and get nothing for it.
I even have to pay 20 euros a month for GEZ even though I dont even have a TV. youre getting fucked everywhere and what DO I get back? Im never sick, if I lose my job they pay my apartment and barely enough money to survive on. my rent will never pay a good amount of living theyre even saying that themselves. I wouldr ather keep my money and invest in myself than have the state take it all and piis 100 billion a year away on refugees , build bridges into nowhere. there is so much mismanagement and bullshit in this country, child poverty is skyrocketing, old retirees are barely scraping by, where is all the wealth going? its certainly not going to the people and the taxpayers who generate it.

>i-i-its not a tax because they call it a versicherung
lmao at the end of the day they take my money without my consent and do shit with it that I dont agree with. sozialversicherung and rentenkassen routinely get plundered for things they shouldnt be paying for. you are just hopelelessly naive and misinformed. but sure keep paying those taxes.

>he unironically believes this
you need to get out more

>I even have to pay 20 euros a month for GEZ even though I dont even have a TV
you have a pc so you have acess to the online archives and can watch livestreams.
> youre getting fucked everywhere and what DO I get back?
you get back more than in almost every other country in the world
> Im never sick
sure and you wont become when you age r-right?
> if I lose my job they pay my apartment and barely enough money to survive on
not true at all, in the first place there is arbeitslosengeld1 for 12 months.
>my rent will never pay a good amount of living theyre even saying that themselves.
everytime you cant argue facts you just name another topic or problem which is true indeed but not helpful dude.

> I wouldr ather keep my money and invest in myself than have the state take it all and piis 100 billion a year away on refugees
so why don´t you move to a country like somalia where you dont have to pay taxes?

>build bridges into nowhere. there is so much mismanagement and bullshit in this country, child poverty is skyrocketing, old retirees are barely scraping by, where is all the wealth going
as i said, this is another problem which needs to be discussed i wont deny that but it has nothing to do with the facts i mentioned.

you act like a child to be honest.

>taxes are 42%
HHMM BBUTT MUHHHH IM NEVER SICK!!!11

You need start your own business in order to be wealthy you dense fuck. You will never in no country get rich by wagecucking for other people.

>taxes are 42%
taxes are much higher than 42% you retard. thats just income tax alone. literally second highest taxes in the EU and among the lowest household wealth and you think thats fine because you can drink tap water.
>h-h-how dare you bring up other stuff I cant refute
I could go on all day about how mismanaged this shit country and how much money is being pissed away while the middle class is milked to death. parliament just decided to double their salaries, EU-wide CO2 tax coming, energy costs skyrocketing because of their retarded green energy decisions, RE cost skyrocketing because they bring in millions of immigrants and give them free housing, the list just goes on and on...

>You need start your own business
>t. never ran a business in germany
its an overregulated shit country you have to be nuts to start a company here. fwiw Im self employed for seven years and about to emmigrate to the US. Germany is a beautiful country but to make money its absolutely terrible. most intelligent and ambitious people I know have already left years ago.

>taxes are much higher than 42% you retard. thats just income tax alone. literally second highest taxes in the EU and among the lowest household wealth and you think thats fine because you can drink tap water.
>i already explained that germany does not have one of the lowest household wealth you can repeat it as much as you want it doesnt make it right.

>I could go on all day about how mismanaged this shit country and how much money is being pissed away while the middle class is milked to death. parliament just decided to double their salaries, EU-wide CO2 tax coming, energy costs skyrocketing because of their retarded green energy decisions, RE cost skyrocketing because they bring in millions of immigrants and give them free housing, the list just goes on and on...

i never said we dont have problem and that there is mismanagement.
living in germany is still better than in 99% of the world and 90% of europe.
and you know that.

otherwise you would already have been gone.

btw. nothing keeps you from leaving.
go to somalia, pay 0% taxes and be happy.

or move to trumpistan and pay 30.000€ for a OP in a hospital.

you get a paycheck you pay income tax. you invest that moeny you pay capital gains tax. you buy a house you pay real estate tax. you die and then your children even have to pay inheritance tax. but its all good because muh healthcare muh standard of living.

Zoomer kraut here - apart from US what countries should I be watching out for to jump ship to i?

I’m belgian and 10x above the german median right now

>you invest that moeny you pay capital gains tax.
only if you earn above a certain amount.
you can earn 800€ per year without taxes.

you are making shit up and cant even come up with facts dude

>you can earn 800€ per year without taxes.
WOW SO GENEROUS 800 BUCKS A YEAR THATS ALMOST MY MONTHYL RENT!
>you are making shit up
lol so now Im making shit up apparently all these taxes dont exist, the ECB study was wrong. I guess were all rich without noticing.

cicero.de/wirtschaft/die-elite-sieht-rot/39028

>go to somalia
yeah because its either an overregulated high tax hellhole or a zero tax third world hellhole. there is absolutely no way we could find a middle ground between both extremes. god forbid the state would spend less money on bullshit, put its own citizens first and lower taxes, no no that is just insanity

>unbased unfounded bs by some right wing magazine
lul, they don't even have numbers. They just talk about their feelings and someone they know and his uncle left germany because blablba Learn into objective numbers or stay under your rock, Ossi.

Stop wasting your energy, I've tried to argue with ZDF watching brainwashed fags like him, its absolutely impossible.
He's going to try to stay positiv with his wagecuck job living in a small apartment and telling himself how much better he has than most other people. And laughing at americans, because he thinks there is no such thing as health insurance in the USA and everyone has just to die or go bankrupt if they get a cold.
Meanwhile an average burger who earns twice as much and lives in a house with 3x the amount of space wouldn't even let his dog live like the average german.
BUT AT LEAST WE HAVE A SAFETY NET GUYS NOONE IS LEFT BEHIND AND WE DONT GET SHOT EVERYTIME WE LEAVE OUR HOMES OMG I'M TOTALLY NOT COPING

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what stops you from being active in a political party and change things?

this is still a democracy and if people dont vote for lower tax politics there wont be lower taxes.

there are options but the majority of people dont vote for them.
deal with it or GTFO

>i-i-its all nazi propaganda
welt.de/politik/deutschland/article138249483/Deutschlands-Talente-verlassen-in-Scharen-das-Land.html

The majority of people depend on some kind of gibs and have no real interest in lower taxes because of this. Capable, industrious and self-reliant individuals that actually produce value are the minority and get exploited.

>there are options but the majority of people dont vote for them.
the majority of people are brainwashed retards just like you. thats exactly what Im saying. people will happily go along with all the bullshit until we end up back in weimar republic conditions again THEN they might think that something is wrong, not a minute earlier. just look at your own fucking arguments
>heh youre kinda right shit is fucked up
>but hey we still have it so good, we have clean tap water, no reason to get pissed off lets just keep going even though our standards of living are deteriorating, our purchasing power has been stagnant for decades
you think I really want to spend my time trying to educate the unwashed masses? to participate in a "democratic" system that is so corrupt its become a joke. look at brexit the people voted democratically and the leadership just doesnt care. look at the AFD they got 30% in eastern germany and they just call them "undemocratic" and cockblock them on every turn.

How often do you go to the doctor?

>Meanwhile an average burger who earns twice as much and lives in a house with 3x the amount of space
The house is out of cardboard. Building standards in the US are notoriously bad. It might look nice on the outside but if you dig deeper there is no substance, same with american cars, just look at tesla lol. Food in america is low quality too, it's dead industrial munch full of pesticides, GMOs and hormones.
Murricans have to pay for everything like clean water or they get stinking brown fracking juice out of their tabs. Everything that's included in a true 1st world country costs extra. Have even been to america? I have.

How can you not understand how flawed democracy is?
If you don't promise people free stuff you won't get elected, especially here in Europe

>dude, people take 70-80% of your money by using violence, but why are you complaining? you can always try and change their mind

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there is no way for a truly anti-establishment party to ever get a 50% majority in Germany and unless tehy do that they can never change anything. and with the way demographics are going people will only vote for more and more gibs anyway, this country is completely fucked and things will only get worse over the next decades. things could be fixed but there is no political will at the top, no one has any real interest to change things and the voters are too complacent and too retarded to realize even what the hell is going on.

You are free to get houses with better quality, same with food
>Murricans have to pay for everything like clean water or they get stinking brown fracking juice out of their tabs
That is the case in Detroit, right? Or was it Chicago? It was one shithole city, but that doesnt apply the whole country
>Everything that's included in a true 1st world country costs extra. Have even been to america? I have.
Like what? Health insurance? I have to pay more than 200€ for my public insurance (Austria)
Yeah it would cost more in america, but I'd also get much, much better service. If you want to see a specialist here you have to wait one month or pay for it privately.
What else?

>look at brexit the people voted democratically and the leadership just doesnt care

the people did not vote for a unregulated brexit.
the people havent been informed about the way of leaving.

you are bringing up bullshit without any facts.

>dude, people take 70-80% of your money by using violence, but why are you complaining? you can always try and change their mind

again, nobody takes 70% of your money.

this is fake news and i already posted proof if it.

Na Sören, biste mett?

>the people haven't been informed
So during other elections voters are informed?
If you'd ask 1000 people who voted during the last national elections, how many do you think could explain how central banking works and the effects it has on the economy and people?

Seething. In American we're richer because we don't tax the ever loving fuck out of citizens and businesses. You can make a billion dollars per year here and the most in federal tax you pay will be like 33%.

It's also MUCH better have insurance provided through your job or simply pay for private insurance. "Free" healthcare only benefits those who can't afford good care or are unemployed. In the US I have a tax-advantaged medical savings account which I can then invest the proceeds from and use for my health-expenses and co-pays. I'd also rather pay the 300 bucks a month for quality insurance and coverage than pay 1000 per month so that Mohammed and Ngubus can get free care at my expense.

If you're young and healthy you can also just completely opt out of paying for insurance and keep the money which you can't do in a commie country like Germany.

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that is the reason there are no direct democracies.

it is one thing to vote:
"do you want the olympic games in town XYZ"

or
"do you want to leave the EU"
( and afterwards we inform you about the terms )

man you all talk but cant even get simple facts right you are 100% perfect americans.

I pay more than 70%
48% income tax
20% VAT on goods
10% VAT on food
360€ a year GIS (austrian tv license)
100€ a year dog tax
3000€ a year social insurance
27,5% tax on capital gains
1000€ a year motor vehicle taxes
50% VAT on gas
>real estate tax
>3.5% tax if you buy real estate

If you calculate all those things together you get well over 70% and it doesn't even include the money I lose through inflation because of the ECBs retarded monetary policies, which is a tax too

>health insurance is communism

cant make this shit up
poverty and problems in the us are even bigger than in germany - which was a point in the discussion before from the clown LMAO

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then why u still there hans?

and you dont calculate in the benefits which you get - which you otherwise would have paid by yourself.

nice way of pointing out that youre either 80IQ or a troll.

but let me guess?
you didn´t visited public school which is paid by taxes?
you didn´t ever needed the police?
you never visited a dentist?
you never visited a doctor?
you never become old and need support?
you never used public institutions?

you are making a fool out of yourself

We don't care about poor people here. We literally just tell them to stop being poor until they make it.

This is why we have money and you don't.

Because I've got a job in a niche industry that made it possible for me to earn really well. But I'm the exception. If it wasn't for that I'd try to gtfo to the USA asap.

>and you dont calculate in the benefits which you get - which you otherwise would have paid by yourself.

That's not what we were arguing about. You claimed the total tax rate isn't above 70%. I've proven you otherwise.
And I'd happily pay for all the public services privately instead given the choice.
The services would be 10x better and still only cost me a tiny fraction of what my total tax burden is right now.

>you didn´t visited public school which is paid by taxes?
>you didn´t ever needed the police?
>you never visited a dentist?
>you never visited a doctor?
>you never become old and need support?
>you never used public institutions?

Literally not a single one of those is an immediate need. You might go 10 years with out doing any of that shit. Saving 30% on taxes would allow you to create much more wealth for yourself. Thinking about survival needs like that instead of wealth management just tells us you are a poorfag yourself.

>This is why we have money and you don't.

statistics proof that poverty for old people and kids is a major problem in the us but muh we rich

>You claimed the total tax rate isn't above 70%. I've proven you otherwise.

first of all i always spoke with regards to germany.
and even in austria taxes arent 70% you know that you bullshitt additioning is beyond stupidity

Why are you even on biz? You are clearly economically illiterate
If brainwashed drones like you are heavily invested into crypto I should really start worrying

Well I'm not of those people so it doesn't matter to me. I keep most of my money to save and invest. You give most of yours to niggers.

>In American we're richer because we don't tax the ever loving fuck out of citizens and businesses
FFS, part of the issue is Burgers actually believe this!

In Europe Corporation tax is lower than burgerland in:
UK
Ireland
Iceland
Lithuania
Estonia
Hungary
Czech
Latvia
Sweden is only .4% higher!

once you include the inflated insurance burger costs...its about the same

''benefits'' you can't really opt out. Really democratic, huh?

If tHeRe wErE nO TaXeS wHo WoUlD BuiLD ze roads?

>first of all i always spoke with regards to germany.
Pretty much all of the things I've listed also exist in Germany.
I didn't even include the 36-50% VAT on cars we have here in Austria, since its only 20% in Germany

>and even in austria taxes arent 70% you know that you bullshitt additioning is beyond stupidity
I'm sorry, but what?

enjoy getting shot by one of those people then. You pay extra on security, on gated communities, security people, police etc. and if you get shot enjoy that 50k hospital bill

>enjoy getting shot by one of those people then
gun crime outside of shitholes like Detoilet, Chicago and Baltimore isn't much higher than in Europe

>You pay extra on security, on gated communities, security people, police
>security, gated communites, security people
I love how you pretty much list the same thing 3 times, to make it sound like more
And the police in the USA are included in taxes, you dont have to pay for them privately

Or I can just can just buy a gun for like $400

>that 50k hospital bill
yuo do realize that every half decent employer gives their employees subsidized health care plans in the US right? Im so sick of this argument my colleagues in the US actually pay LESS for their health care plans than I pay in Germany.
>oh no no no you cant just add up taxes
yeah because according to this dipshit the only tax in Germany is income tax. Germany has a higher tax burden than Austria btw so do the math you economically illiterate retard.