38% of Americans hold creationist views. As Christians are 70.6% of Americans, the subset of American Christians that hold creationist views is 53.8% . (The question was worded: “Do you believe that all life on Earth appeared in its present form some time within the last 10,000 years?”)
Add to this the increasing rejection of secular cosmology in favor of the flat, disc shaped Earth covered by the dome of the firmament described in Genesis...it is quite a disturbing trend.
I can only watch with confusion and worry. Nobody in other developed counties believes the Earth is a domed terrarium, or that whales just happen to have pelvises and vestigial thigh bones for no reason, or that birds have dormant genes that form a dinosaur snout, sharp teeth and long, scaly tale when re-activated "for no reason", or that it's just a big coincidence that taxonomy is corroborated by genetic sequencing, and both are corroborated by the order that fossil remains are found in the strata.
What is going on in the US, specifically, to cause this?
Evolution is satan's core game. With each evolution existence is forced to compete with future existence. It's what Satan does to distance himself from god. Anything with a spirit wants to get closer to God while Satan pulls them away.
Brayden Adams
(((polls)))
Jace Hughes
Is there a history of schizophrenia in your family by chance
Angel Murphy
lowering of IQ? More third worlders?
Ayden Powell
>attack me instead of address the stunning implications you can't deny
Christopher Mitchell
>stunning implications
It reads like timecube.com
Kayden Ward
this
The fact that people are KNOWINGLY using fisheye lens and spending tons on CGI to procure an artificial curve on the earth speaks volumes.
If the earth has the correct curvature we're told, why give flat earthers any ammo by using a fisheye lens or cgi replica AT ALL??
The easiest way to end this argument is to have a REAL UNEDITED pic of earth!
No it doesn't. I never denied evolution exists. I'm just identifying it's spiritual force. Satan is like the lawn mower man, he just keeps getting smarter and smarter. That's why our civlization will collapse just like he fell from grace. It's metaphors u autist homo. Existence is more than the material world.
If the answer is "because the immaterial does not interact with the material", then how is it that humans know about it?
Somebody would have had to see, hear or otherwise detect the immaterial for us to even conceptually know about it, at some distant point in the past.
But sight works by photons bouncing off stuff into our eyes. Hearing works by vibration of air molecules. All of our senses rely on material interaction.
The simpler possibility with less self-contradiction is that the immaterial/supernatural as a category consists of a mixture of lies, and human misunderstandings of natural phenomena like weather, illness and origins
Dylan Reyes
It's not that we are not interacting with the immaterial. We are, but we cannot process it and there is such things as planes of existence and this is really as mathematical as it sounds. A plane of existence is an "ordered" cross section of the immaterial.
The big question is obviously... WHY?? Why does it HAVE to be shopped? We take pictures of saturns rings, but not of our OWN EARTH??? If you're going to collage/composite, then COMPOSITE! Don't fucking copy/paste, thats FAKING AN IMAGE!
If you copy and paste, thats now an artistic rendition, not a composite.
Because I have studied science math and engineering and then go on mystical journeys stoned and meditating with my head and face shrouded in a blanket mask
Please watch this entirely to see the basic flaws behind evolution, the fraud involved in evolution, and why KJV-only Christianity is the only way to heaven: youtube.com/watch?v=meIg-TyDm-g
With that said, the flat earth is nonsense. The Bible told us the earth was circular back in the old testament, just like it told us to wash germs off our hands under running water, etc. All of its predictions have come true, and Revelation is coming up soon. Make sure you trust in Christ's death, burial, and resurrection alone for your sins to be forgotten and your entrance into eternal life.
I'm Catholic, and we agree with and arugably help drive evolution theory
Hudson Reed
Freemasons are the only reason we have science and engineering.
Zachary Carter
>in favor of the flat, disc shaped Earth covered by the dome of the firmament
The image of a disc with water falling off is psyop propaganda to throw off the scent.
The uncomfortable possible reality is that we live on a infinite plane where the sun carved a pool of water from ice. You dont fall off the edge, the image of a disc is propaganda.
Anywhere you go south, you reach the southpole -- because its a sun-carved ice ring that surrounds us on a flat plane
I've seen the ISS from Florida. It's fucking HUGE and it's fast as fuck boi. It zips across the sky, no noise. To call it fake is funny to me. Just wait one day until it flies across your area and look up...
>because its a sun-carved ice ring that surrounds us on a flat plane Where's your evidence? Not pictures. Magnetic data. Explain how compasses work in such a system.
Brody Mitchell
>The Bible told us the earth was circular back in the old testament
A circle is not a ball. Aramaic, greek and ancient hebrew have separate words for each, so it's not as if they couldn't have specified a ball shape if that's what they meant.
You're rejecting what science says because you trust the Bible. That's also what flat earthers do. You just aren't quite retarded enough to go that far with it.
Whats the heliocentric explanation for sun hotspots on clouds when the sun is meant to be 93 million miles away?
Angel Morris
>literally everything of importance in human civilization founded by or cared for by freemasons Calm down, Somalinigger.
Kayden Morris
Why do so many American Liberals reject evolution? They believe that race isn’t a real thing, that it is purely a “social construct,” that tens of thousands of years of geographic separation has somehow led to the different peoples of this world being equal in all ways.
The lemur looking fuckers at the beginning are also the ancestors of bats. A lot of people think bats are flying rodents. It blows their mind to find out they're not.
Wyatt Gutierrez
>the goyim actually believe they're monkeys now hehehe Shove it Schlomo.
Joseph Collins
>The image of a disc with water falling off is psyop propaganda to throw off the scent.
>The guys retarded in a different way from me are just a hoax to make me look stupid
>Only I am retarded in exactly the correct way. My ridiculous bullshit makes perfect sense
Dominic Reed
The bible doesn't say that the earth is circle. Try harder.
They reject macroevolution you idiot. Microevolution can be observed with, for example, breeding dogs. But macro evolution states that on a long enough time scale, a banana could turn into a monkey. It’s semitic bullshit
Dylan Jackson
you know if you get a pair of night vision goggles you can literally see satellites fly by preferably ones with some zoom so you can actually see that it isn't just a moving point but an actual man made object seeing the ISS fly by is actually pretty cool
Cooper Miller
Explain south.
Tyler Parker
Would you lads care to know how it was originally discovered that the Earth was round? There was a water well in Athens I believe, every single year there would be a specific time just once a year where the sun would shine directly in the well. So the primordial Greeks built the exact same well 400 kilometers south of the initial well, you know what they found? The light from the sun at that exact moment did hit the southern well. That's how they figured it out.
Hunter Turner
You can fly over the south pole and come out the other side. Straight line, no banking.
Blake Anderson
They're just Americans, haven't evolved into real human being yet.
Thomas Turner
>>God created universe in 6 days >>earth is ~6000 years old
The Bible doesn't teach that the world was created in 6 literal days. That is a teaching by a heretical sect called Fundamentalist who infiltrated all other sects and inserted this blasphemous doctrine.
In both the Hebrew and the Greek Scriptures, the word “day” (Heb., yohm; Gr., he·mera) is used in a literal and in a figurative or even symbolic sense. Sometimes the word “day” is used to indicate a measure of distance, as in the expressions “a day’s journey” and “a sabbath day’s journey.”—Nu 11:31; Ac 1:12; The term “day(s)” is also used with reference to a time period contemporaneous with a particular person, as for example, “the days of Noah” and “the days of Lot.”—Lu 17:26-30; Isa 1:1.
This flexible use of the word “day” to express units of time of varying length is clearly evident in the Genesis account of creation. Therein is set forth a week of six creative days followed by a seventh day of rest. The week assigned for observance by the Jews under the Law covenant given them by God was a miniature copy of that creative week. (Ex 20:8-11) The seventh day, however, does not have this ending, indicating that this period, during which God has been resting from his creative works toward the earth, continued on. At Hebrews 4:1-10 the apostle Paul indicated that God’s rest day was still continuing in his generation, and that was more than 4,000 years after that seventh-day rest period began.
The entire period of the six time units or creative “days” dedicated to the preparation of planet Earth is summed up in one all-embracing “day."
>(Genesis 2:4) This is a history of the heavens and the earth in the time of their being created, in the day that Jehovah God made earth and heaven.
According to the Bible, the word day is used liberally to mean stages of time of significance not adhere to a strict interpretation of 24 hrs.
Not Athens. It was a bit south(I think) of Alexandria. In fact, the discovery also allowed a VERY close guess of the circumference of the planet using degrees as a guide.
Nathan Young
>You can fly over the south pole and come out the other side
Oh really? Show me a commercial flight that goes over the south pole
>Microevolution can be observed with, for example, breeding dogs
Because that's a visible, undeniable example of selection altering the genome of a species. So creationists acknowledge it but say no further change beyond that can happen, to the point where dogs could become something unrecognizable as canines.
But why not? What magic force prevents evolution from continuing that far?
>But macro evolution states that on a long enough time scale, a banana could turn into a monkey.
No, because those are both modern species and the banana is a product of human guided breeding. Rather, what's being argued is that evolution does not magically "stop" at some invisible boundary defined by what "kind" of animal something looks like to human eyes. If it continues for long enough, change will keep accumulating until the species no longer clearly resembles its ancestors.
Whale and dolphin evolution is a good example. Looks like fish, but it's a mammal. Vestigial leg bones and pelvis confirm its ancestors walked on land.
Ok. That's fine. But then why has no one attempted a North South circumnavigation?
John Green
When this text says that God sits above the circle of the earth, this harmonizes with the fact that the earth is circular, viewed from all directions, but that also makes it globular in form. The Hebrew word hhug here is defined in A Concordance of the Hebrew and Chaldee Scriptures by B. Davidson as “circle, sphere.”
This same Hebrew word for circle is found in Job 22:14, where the New World Translation says of God: “On the vault of heaven he walks about.” Now, we know that the vault of heaven as seen from the earth is hemispherical, or like a half globe. The other half of the hemispherical vault of heaven extends below the earth upon which we stand and hence cannot be seen directly by us. In harmony with this fact, when Isaiah 40:22 says that God sits above the circle of the earth, then the word “circle” here is in the same Hebrew sense as that found in Job 22:14.
Thus it follows that the word “circle” in Isaiah 40:22 must mean something that is rotund, just as the appearance of the sky viewed from the earth is rotund and like a vault.
Other translations:
>“the globe of the earth” (Douay), >“the round earth.” (Moffatt) >"the round ball of earth." (The Message)
Eli Ward
>It's usually not practical to travel over the south pole by plane, since most of the land around this area is of no value. >no value
Wrong
>Admiral Richard Byrd (first man to transverse north AND south pole) said theres more land to be discovered outside of south pole >Byrd says antartica (south pole) is full of uranium and mountains of coal that could "generate enough energy for the entire earth for centuries" >Byrd says theres a continent as big as america beyond the south pole from south america
"... Strangely enough theres left in the world today: an area as big as the U.S. thats never been seen by a human being, and thats beyond the pole on the other side of the
southpole from middle america - and I think its quite astonishing that there should be an area as big as that unexplored." Admiral Richard Byrd
>The Bible doesn't teach that the world was created in 6 literal days.
Yes it does.
1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. 2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. 3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.
Literal days are light out, literal nights are dark out. It says after each creation event that the "evening and morning of the next day" followed. It is very clear what's being described are literal days. It is true yom can mean an indeterminate period of time, but it can also mean a literal day, and it is plain to see which is meant in Genesis.
Lucas Bell
Evolution is a mathematical phenomenon. "Microevolution" of breeding dogs is unnatural selection which is just an arbitrary case of natural selection.
Mason Rodriguez
Scripture also says the circle of the Earth was drawn as if by compass upon a flat face. It says it's bounded at the edges.
There's a word in Aramaic, Greek and ancient Hebrew for ball. They didn't use that word. They used circle, which is a flat shape.
Luis Turner
>how does something that can only happen on a sphere prove we're a sphere If you don't understand it by the time you reach high school geometry, you never will. You probably think the electrons in your computer are actually spirit particles too.
lol. The Greeks thought that the Earth was a perfect sphere because spheres were apparently the shape closest to the Gods creations. That's how they came up with the "crystal sphere" theory. The theory that the planets and the sun rotate around the sun on crystal axises. I believe it was Pythagoras who came up with the idea, he's the father of geometry.
Sebastian Jackson
>Yes it does.
No it doesn't because Hebrew 4:10 and Genesis 2:4 make that impossible. Hebrews 4:10 states that God's 7th day of rest CONTINUED down to Paul's day 4 thousand years later. Genesis 2:4 says that ALL CREATION was made in ONE DAY. The days in Genesis are not literal days because the Bible doesn't use it that way. It uses "day" in Hebrew to just denote stages of significance in time.
Nathan Stewart
It's their symbol you retard.
Levi Clark
>Genesis 2:4 says that ALL CREATION was made in ONE DAY. The days in Genesis are not literal days because the Bible doesn't use it that way. It uses "day" in Hebrew to just denote stages of significance in time.
No, it doesn't. It specifies literal days very plainly: "And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day."
Inconsistencies with this are because Genesis contains two contradictory creation accounts. If you assume the Bible is true, you conclude it must mean something other than what it appears to because it cannot be wrong.
If you don't assume the Bible is true, you conclude both stories were included as some sort of compromise and that errors in their claims about the natural world were due to comparative ignorance about it.
Easton Morales
>Literal
If you are trying to learn physics and geography from a book of spiritual wisdom you're just as dumb as the fuckers who think the earth is a disk.
The "truths" in mythology are beyond "see spot run". I think you ought to probably stick to simpler books, friend.
Then what does the soul do? Or, if neuroscience is wrong about everything, and the soul does all of the things above, then what do we need brains for? If our soul includes none of what makes us distinctly who we are, how can it be said that anybody goes to an afterlife?
Grayson Powell
Bats are cute as fuck
Caleb Young
I don't think there is anyway to connect the physical to the the spiritual. Sure you explain how certain physical reactions tend to influence consciousness but there is no way you can explain WHY we actually experience things. Sure our actions can be reduced to physical interactions, but there is no reasons why we actually have a conscious experience of this shit.
Adam Sullivan
Probably because of the people who are teaching it tend to unapologetically hate them and tend to preach all kinds of filth and moral relativism as well.
Grayson Fisher
>but there is no way you can explain WHY we actually experience things.
To ask why assumes without basis that there exist intelligently assigned reasons for things in nature
>Sure our actions can be reduced to physical interactions, but there is no reasons why we actually have a conscious experience of this shit.
Look at your computer. What's on the screen is very colorful and dynamic. If you open up the computer itself, nothing inside of it resembles what you see on the screen.
Does this mean that the software your computer is running does not need the computer to continue running? If you smash the computer, will a ghost of Windows 10 come out and float up to software heaven?
Jaxson Cruz
You're trying to force a false dilemma because you know you are already wrong. You keep ignoring the simple understanding. Hebrew 4:10 states that God's day of rest(7th day) continued down to Paul's day in Hebrew 4:10. That's 4 thousand years later. That doens't prove the creation days are thousands of years. That proves that "day" in the Bible does not strictly mean 24 hours. Genesis 2:4 sums up the entire creation period into ONE DAY.
It's obvious you have an agenda against the Bible so you are trying to force a false dilemma by forcing ONLY TWO POSSIBILITIES that are to your convenience. HOWEVER, there is one explanation you are ignoring. The Bible is not an all-literal book. Some parts are metaphorical and some are literal depending on the context.
>(2 Peter 3:7) But by the same word the heavens and the earth that are now are stored up for fire and are being reserved to the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men.
>(Isaiah 45:18) For this is what Jehovah has said, the Creator of the heavens, He the [true] God, the Former of the earth and the Maker of it, He the One who firmly established it, who did not create it simply for nothing, who formed it even to be inhabited: “I am Jehovah, and there is no one else.
Contradiction? No. What you are not aware of is that some words like "earth" and "world" are used metaphorically to signify mankind.
>(2 Peter 3:5, 6) For, according to their wish, this fact escapes their notice, that there were heavens from of old and an earth standing compactly out of water and in the midst of water by the word of God; 6and by those [means] the world of that time suffered destruction when it was deluged with water.
>(2 Peter 2:5) and he did not hold back from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a deluge upon a world of ungodly people;
As you can see above, even the word "earth" and world are not literal.
Isaiah James
No. No you can NOT. Jesus fucking Christ.
I know I'm arguing with trolls or something here, but sometimes I genuinely think that people who cannot understand how the earth is a sphere are to humans what niggers are. Trying to tell people how this shit works is like trying to teach niggers how slavery isn't an excuse for being a retard. They JUST CANNOT COMPREHEND the obvious. They're like people who think illusionists are magicians.
Look, if you think the earth isn't a sphere, do me a favor. Either one, your choice. Spend time above/below the two arctic circles, OR, become a sailor or some other person involved in nautical ventures.
Wyatt Gomez
Analogy is weak because we know a very causal physical link between what happens in the computer and what appears on screen
We have absolutely no causal link between physical processes in our brain and consciousness experience (on not denying that it exists.)
Angel Hernandez
>You're trying to force a false dilemma
No, it only looks that way to somebody determined to reconcile scripture with science where the two don't fit.
Have you ever asked yourself why you don't make comparably elaborate excuses for, say, the Norse creation myth of the ice giant Ymir and his cow audhulma? Or the Navajo creation myth of the crow poking holes in the sheet of the night sky to make stars?
You are content to simply allow them to be wrong and conclude that they didn't know what we do about cosmology and origins because of when they lived.
But when it comes to your own religion's creation story, suddenly out come the apologetics.
>The Bible is not an all-literal book. Some parts are metaphorical and some are literal depending on the context.
If the section I quoted is metaphorical, then so is God and creation.
William Davis
>I know I'm arguing with trolls
Not trolling, and you aren't arguing...otherwise you'd have an argument against WHY sun prediction is only possible on a sphere
>Analogy is weak because we know a very causal physical link between what happens in the computer and what appears on screen
We also know the neurological mechanisms behind emotion, personality, memory, etc.: The fact that we don't YET understand consciousness doesn't mean it's beyond science or separate from the brain. Just that we live in 2018, not 2218, so our understanding isn't that far along yet.
This whole debate will seem silly when we're actively uploading and emulating whole brains and they are every bit as conscious as the long dead people they were taken from.
