Turn me Into a fascist Jow Forums Btw im not a commie,im a Proudhon mutualist

I'm not saying Hitler was perfect, just that the nazi boogeyman is overdone. At least Hitler wanted to preserve German culture and rebirth moral standards (see Weimar) whereas commies wanted to destroy that. Banks usually invest in every side anyways, so that doesn't mean Hitler = bad.

But you shouldn't become a fascist unless you actually want to as that will only alienate you more than whatever weird thing you believe in now.

If we achive anarchy successfully other countries may follow, The whole point of anarchy is a society without institutional coercion such as taxes and usury as well as exploitation and property.

id wrather just destroy the culture to rebirth a better one Nietzche style.

>Men cant be roasties.

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But he took the investment, he could have said no on moral grounds.

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>but but but what about but but what about
Okay user, this isn't even good bait. You are mentally deficient.

Just saying man and there was the genocide i mean come on its not even original to do that to jews.

youtube.com/watch?v=Isq6YltjRRU

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Yeah i dont think should people should mix races either but instead live side by side i suppose that is naive but still.

and that's why we have borders

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Personally, i think we should have open borders unless there is a matter of security, No I mean like in the same countryside by side without sex between two opposite races but that's just me.

Love that Mosley speech, I find Mosley to be a very eloquent speaker but I found Hitler to be much more passionate.
youtube.com/watch?v=mbGl6555-5Q

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No. Fascism is a fantasy. It will only breed corruption and dissent after a long enough period of time.

so does every government

Pinochet though., True.

what makes you think you are more qualified to define culture from the ground up than the thousands of generations that came before you?
culture is darwinian.
there is no need to destroy it because it destroys itself naturally.
the things that survive the fires of time do so because they have some utilitarian merit in society.
again, what makes you think you are qualified to redefine the entire culture of society?

Are you implying the current democracies are not rotting in corruption right now?

Cause None of it actually matters and a better society would arise from whats left. Its just the abandonment of Trends and herd thought.

how do you propose to maintain this state of existence?
what prevents the people from voluntarily forming into democratic or totalitarian microcosms?

Yeah, there will always be interracial marriages because there are genuine connections between those people. That's been going on since the beginning of Human civilization and earlier.
But most marriage are between people who look the same and act the same, and that comes from culture which comes from certain regions of the world.
Humans evolved in the last 15,000+ years in all corners of the globe in survive their environment.
However, if there is too much multiracialism it may lead to a identity crisis across the globe and give greedy finance an upper edge to enslave Humanity.
Humans from all countries should work in their own factories based in their own countries, not by a foreign power for a few dollars a week.
All people should unionize in their respectable countries to protect themselves from internal and external threats, and people across the globe should respect others' decisions in that matter.
However, some nations may not have the resources to produce goods for themselves, whether they be luxury goods such as cars or needed good such as food.
Trade would still be needed, so nations need to find a way to help each other without betraying their people.
As the saying goes, "If you put others first, you teach them to put you second."

originality is the goal of children,
sustainability is the goal of nation builders

Ah yes, the incorruptible ideologies of capitalist America and communist Russia.

depends on which ideology you follow but I don't care what other communities do, I just want anarchy where I'm living. it's up to other communities want.
whatever im not that concerned with borders im really more focused on economics.

Like a Fascist? or a (((Fascist)))

First off, you have to realize that neo nazism has absolutely no basis in fascism or NatSoc. It is a hollywood invention. Then read this. scribd.com/document/359983563/Ironmarch-The-Awakening-of-a-National-Socialist

why do you assume your society would be better? if your concepts have merit then simply throw them out there and they will be adopted naturally.
again there is no need to actively tear down existing systems because they are naturally replaced by more efficient systems.
for example: the united states was the only country that needed a civil war to end slavery.
every other country abolished the practice as it naturally lost merit due to increasing industrialization.
before the split the south lobbied against abolition not on moral grounds, but on the ground that the practice was already falling out of favor anyway and would soon be unnecessary due to the invention of steam power

Im not saying it would be "better" by your standards only to mine hopefully there would be a new renisance of some sort to bring back culture to a society based entirely on consumer culture.

>depends on which ideology you follow but I don't care what other communities do, I just want anarchy where I'm living. it's up to other communities want.
again, how do you propose to maintain this state of being?
what mechanisms would exist to prevent a neighboring community from forming an authoritarian state and then conquering your disorganized community to claim your resources?

You should have more faith in the people who came before us. They were wise.

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Militias, communities can create armies my goy.
Im not saying they weren't i want to return to the society which there is culture.

It isn't virtuous to just deny your ethnic identity; they aren't

Hey i think you posted this in the wrong thread, maybe we can find the people from the half-way house to help you.

My ethnicity doesn't define who i am, i am what i am, i am who i want to be.

attacking foundational pillars of western civilization on the "hope" that there "might" be some sort of vaguely defined "cultural renaissance" is not only childishly foolish, it is dangerous because it completely disregards the damage to people's lives that will come from the collapse of modern society.
it sounds like your belief structure is entirely egoist in nature.
you talk about society but ultimately you don't care about society.
you care about yourself and only see social structures through the lens of how they affect you with no heed paid to your fellow humans.
people like you are dangerous and your opinions must be discarded for the health of the community.
when people like you resist you must be forcibly restrained for the sake of the whole.

and who would lead the militia?

>return to the society which there is culture.
So do we. We observe the magnificent cultural heritage left to us by our forebears and want to preserve and extend it. If [our] people were actually educated, on a mass scale, to the level of an elite attending a good university in the 19th century w.r.t. the Classics etc., we'd be swimming in culture

The militias arent standing armies, they are the members of the community.
No i am definitely not an egoist, The ego is what persists in a culture that has made everyone self-loving nihilists.

You're denying a responsiblity to defend the ethnic interests of what is in effect your extended family. You are recklessly undermining *our* position by not competing for the scarce resources, be they land or political capital, that we not only have right to but the moral call to seize for our own betterment.

We're just sitting on a huge pile of accumulated resources and giving it away. This is ridiculous.

Well like I said I don't particularly care my race doesn't define me or my property or anything material in general. Great societies always come about from destruction of the old one, the way the old culture is destroyed does not have to be violent or insurrectionary in nature just so long as the old society is crushed.and to further the point I am not an egoist, I believe in free markets and the abolishment of institutional exploitation.

The fate of your people isn't yours to gamble with.

Those aren't Pillars anymore buddy. Those are the bars of your jail cell. The organic heart of the west has been dead for decades now. Only the shell remains.

and who leads them? because without a leader they are just a disorganized mob which has no capability of defending itself from an organized attacking force.
somebody has to develop the strategy, somebody has to develop the tactics.
even if these things are decidedly democratically that is a form of governing structure and your society is no longer an anarchy.
>No i am definitely not an egoist
you claim this, but everything you have said is exclusively self centered.
you pay no heed whatsoever to how culture and policy affects anyone besides yourself.
wanna know my opinion?
I think you are a young person, probably in high school or early college who doesn't understand society and you feel like you don't belong.
as a result you gravitate towards fringe ideologies because they give you a sense of belonging and community.
be patient, I encourage you to keep an open mind and listen to all sides of every issue.
determine your own sense of morality, the things you value.
once you actually understand who you are as a person then you will find how you fit into society and it won't feel so alienating anymore.
just give life a chance kid.

Oh golly youre right. Silly me. I'll leave it up to the current regime to bleed dry and discard at their whim.

My people? Do I get to choose my people? , Not that i would change my race but i didnt get to choose in the first place.

says the user with a limited world view.
maybe your morals are dead in your community, but mine are alive and well in my community.
maybe instead of seeking to destroy what others have you should try to build something for yourself

unorganized militias have been successful in the past.

name one

You can lead a people without egoism. Through impartiality and the perception of absolute truth. Hence the drive for fascism.

>You can lead a people without egoism
reread my post because you seem to have missed the point

You tell me I have a limited world view, and then persist to attempt at defining my entirety on an observation on the decline of the west.

Cite your sources please.

This is defined, determined. You don't get a choice.

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Various militants inside the u.s at the time fought the English we loosely associated without centralized leadership, they were pretty much the night watch and then there were syndicalist Catalonia and partially free ukraine.

Then why be prideful of something i had no hand in? it makes no sense.

>demanding a source for an anecdote
what did you mean by this?

The point of more prediction of people based upon striking outward towards fringe politics?

TBQH Familam, That is exactly how change is necessitated throughout human systems. By the youth. The old and wise are often incorrect in their assessments of things due to the nature of their attachments to things that the young will never achieve. Peak boomerism, if you will

neither catalonia nor ukraine were sucessful.
as for the united states you are factually wrong.
if you can provide me with a sourced example from the revolutionary war where a group of militia soldiers with no centralized leadership whatsoever successfully defeated a british military unit of any strength I will concede the point and leave the thread in shame

It isn't a matter of pride, at least not more than is justified by the assumption that it is good to love your people best, in the same way that it is good to love yourself, or your family. The celebration comes from affection and self-confidence.

Pure sarcasm obviously.

Anecdotes are the sleight of hand to factual analysis.

depends on what you consider successful.
Nabat in Ukraine, was a Terrorist group from Free ukraine that were awa's that had no centralized leadership. Not to mention anarchists have no problem with social hierarchies such as a military.its based on voluntary association

It proceeds from within, it's innate, if only you'd stop suppressing it. And it is healthy and fulfilling to express; it provides the organic sense of community that is missing in our current world much more readily than a multiethnic hodgepodge of mutual suspicion and dislike.

you are entirely wrong.
not a single historical revolution either military or cultural was lead by the youth of the time.
young people lack life experience.
and despite how much this triggers them (you) to say, it is an undeniable fact.
this doesn't mean directly that your politics are wrong.
it simply means you are attempting to judge a system that you do not in fact understand.
that understanding comes with time.
only after you have actually participated in a system can you accurately judge it's merits and flaws.

In fact Proudhon even encouraged a required millitia service for mutualist communities.

>Not to mention anarchists have no problem with social hierarchies such as a military.its based on voluntary association
then it's not anarchy, and that's my entire point.
anarchy is by definition a lack of hierarchy

its the lack of involuntary hierarchies tard. Let em Guess youre not a fan of ancaps, neither am i but i still consider them anarchists.

wrong, anecdotes are personal experiences.
while they are not representative of an entire group or state of being they are representative of my experience, which was the entire point of the post.
your claim that the pillars of society have already eroded is itself purely anecdotal

You'll even find that other schools of thought of anarchism have heads of association. so long as its voluntary its cool.

You have a +200% compatibility bonus if you go by ethnicity, it will almost always form the best community possible for the given population

>Let em Guess youre not a fan of ancaps, neither am i but i still consider them anarchists.
on this point we can agree.
no, i am not a fan of ancaps because their proposed system is equally unviable as any other form of anarchism.
>its the lack of involuntary hierarchies tard
by this definition then I am already living in an anarchist system because I associate with the government of the united states voluntarily.
again, I think you are just a disenfranchised teenager (like every teenager) who is mad that society exists and has expectations of you.

more prediction.

I'm 36. have 3 kids and a house in suburbia and was on this shitty website since the inception of it. I offer no proof of my merit because it is irrelevant in the case forthwith.

I turned, not far from where I was prior mind you, to fringe politics, because it is becoming quite clear that this system has degraded into nothing more than a feelings contest about how it is perfectly ok to touch kids, but not ok to offend brown folk.

I have a legacy to defend.

And it really isnt that hard for 20 somethings to understand that their parents have a house, but they never will. Because corruption has led the dream to become unattainable. So they either revolt, are bought out, or submit. You cannot squeeze your youth to death and be successful. which is why we are at the matter at hand.

Fuck off dood im not buying it.
No There are Involuntary hierarchies such as the state itself i was put in society I had no choice in the situation. I never consented to be governed.

"personal" As in it has no pertinent value outside of the individual who's environmentally developed perception has brought it to life. Unless speaking in sociologic terms where the average has become fact. unfortunately enough.

My definition is not anecdotal, This place is not as it was, on average. at large. Therefore the west as it was no longer exists, and is now something else. whether through evolution or death.

It's bought and paid for you're just leaving it in the park as we're leaving telling all the passersby that it's communal property and our parents bought it with their money

>proudhon mutualist
what the fuck is that gay shit lol, nobody cares
kill yourself for taking your faggot ass seriously

and im the teenager.
If you dont pay taxes you are put in prison it wasnt bought and sold it was stolen.

>I never consented to be governed.
then leave, you have no right to destroy a society that others have benefited immensely from simply because it inconveniences you.
nothing but anecdotes and projection.
even if what you say is true, that is simply your experience, and just like the other guy your own experiences do not give you the right to destroy systems which are beneficial to others.

I like my home, I like my government, I like my culture.
I do not seek to cause either of you harm, yet by your own statements you would attack me and my home and my culture and my government simply because you are disenfranchised.
if you have not considered the results of your actions in the lives of others i encourage you to do so.
if you have considered them, but have arrived at the conclusion that you don't care then i guess there is no further room for debate and the only way to settle the argument is on the battlefield

In retrospect, I'm not really sure why I'm arguing with you. aside from it's keeping me on my toes.

I don't disagree with racial theory. Multiculturalism itself exists within nature, but only fleetingly. Because one will always supersede the other. Which makes it obvious that at the very least somebody is going to go extinct

and No I'm not a teenager.
I only care about my country, why dont you leave ? i want to restore the old ways of doing things.

>i want to restore the old ways of doing things
that's not what you said earlier.
you said nothing of restoration, only that you wanted to destroy culture and society.
I believe that we strayed from our true nature as a species by attempting to suppress human nature through authoritarian social constructs.
that does not mean however that all society is rotten and must be destroyed.
don't fall into the mistake of thinking you see the entire picture.
there will always be other perspectives you have not considered
>I only care about my country,
if you are an anarchist then there is no such thing as a "country"

It isnt projection when it is a widely shared dilemma.

I am a fascist.

The lives of others do not matter in the large scale. All that matters is the progression of the collection. It is an undeniable fact that no man has ever mattered throughout all of space and time, unless many men follow in his wake.

It is regrettable that you believe war to be the answer. I have not made threat to you.

"care" is a word based in humanism, not in survival.

Ah. I now see the dilemma which caused your reaction

You have to get rid of the current culture to restore old one. and no That really only applies to ancoms im a mutualist, and a country is a chunk of land not a government.

>I am a fascist.
if you are truly a fascist then you know the state exists to promote the well being of the whole.
the word fascism is itself a reference to the fasce which is a tool created by bundling smaller weaker pieces together into a unified whole.
how can you claim to be a fascist and not care about the other members of your society.
do you not care about the well being of your family? your town? your state? your nation? your race?
I don't think you understand what it means to be a fascist

I don't use the term "care" in such a sense.

I'm not sure where you got the notion that I do not feel a duty to my people. What did I say that alluded to such?

culture exists in layers.
memes are literally culture.
aspects never really die, they are simply added to, recycled, mutated, copied, and recycled again.
it is impossible to draw clear lines where one ends and one begins.
in some aspects the old ways are well preserved, in others they eroded completely.
in some ways this is a good thing, in other ways it is bad.
"culture" is not a singular thing.
it is not an object that can be replaced like a lightbulb.
culture is nothing more than the ways we see the world and the customs and traditions we chose to preserve

Yeah but as you know memes can die.

>The lives of others do not matter in the large scale.

Ah. The individual obviously.

That's why I referenced the collection right afterwards. The individual is important to maintain the line, or to be maintained.

oops lol meant to link to (you)
true, they die and are born all the time. but no individual meme is "culture" collectively they are culture.
memes can die but you can't destroy them.
in fact trying to do so often promotes them.
why do you think "milhouse is not a meme" is a meme?
cultural evolution is natural and does not require an active hand, and in fact actively rejects the notion