At what age did you grow out of your libertarian phase and finally reject capitalism? for me when I was 17...

He didn't say anything about resources he said human potential, you pseudo-commie. Why would I want to distribute my resources to parasites?

>A few months ago I sort of grew out of it. I still like liberty

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It is actually extremely efficient. The strong prosper, the weak perish. It also has more net production than any other system. And the national part makes sure there is enough work for everyone with public projects and capital injections

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I'd rather be free than be dictated what I can and cannot do. That is why I hate my government.

>public projects
Literally laundering stolen money

>I'd rather be free
wow what a radical position to take. When you ask Ancaps why they hold to their meme ideology, you always get brain-dead responses like "I love freedom"

Ancap is a less retarded system than modern cuckocracy.

If crapitalism is so efficient then how do you explain how countries with nationalized heavy industries, ie. state capitalist ones completely dominate the industry. For example during ww2 once germany switched from private to nationalized industry in 1943 it’s production grew by 300 %.

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>Growing out of Capitalism and believing in that hard labor gets you what the service is worth to Society.

Yeah, that's an pretty sharp Edge there, Toothpaste.

>My countrymen are parasites

”National”-capitalism everyone.

The only excuse to not love liberty is if you fantasise with taking others' away

How come then all ancap communes crash in a couple of years and start to beg for big daddy government for aid.

Capitalism is all about turning whites into cutthroat cretins who would sell out their brothers for shekels. That is why it was pushed so hard by them.

Just because you live in a country doesn't make you a person of that nation.

I am all for freedom to do good things. I don’t see why you should be free to commit evil.

Germany had private contractors for the government and a trickle-up economy from public projects. Otherwise it was entirely free market

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Evil is subjective. To a home invader your guns are evil. To you the guns are what saved you from a home invasion. Both perspectives see the other as evil.
The police are reactionary. It doesn't matter if the criminal was caught when you have already had your eye stabbed and your dog hanged.

In Capitalism you are fully responsible for taking care of yourself. In any other scheme, you are forced by the state to give everyone access to your ass.

The only thing you aren't free of is consequences

Not after 1943. The entire economy was nationalized and given over for speer to control.

>Capitalism you are fully responsible for taking care of yourself
ah yes I forgot we are are radical individualists.

Moral relativist please go. If you’re a nationalist, good for nation = good, bad for nation = bad.

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And surprise, they had constant shortages and lost in short order

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>Letting in 1mil immigrants is good for the nation because money!!!
A nation is built on moral definition. It isn't as simple as "do good not bad" because people's idea of good and bad don't match. There has to be an understanding of what the nation deems as good and bad that ignores your personal opinion. If you don't like it then leave.

>Production increases by 300 %
>Caused shortages

Yes? Some of my countrymen ARE parasites. Even the healthiest body sometimes grows cancer cells, it's up to the immune system to destroy them before they can spread

Production of what? It's a decent symptom treatment when your entire infrastructure is bombed to shit and you are in a crisis in a losing war, but it's not sustainable

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Except you are an individual, are you not? You aren't actually joined at the brain to some other person, are you?

fuck off back to morocco muhammad

Okay lets assume for a second that objective morality doesn’t exist. Do you have any argument for why we should follow your politics then? Also any hollistic view shows that taking in one million immigrants is bad.

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So what is good for the nation and bad for the nation, then?

If you aren't one, you will be, and most probably already have been, duped into giving the state unlimited access to your ass for sharing with the community
Sharing is caring Timmy, yours is mine and mine is... probably yours someday, but just right now the community is first, not you, I hope you understand, right?

Parasites like capitalists who don’t work but extract surplus value? :^)

>.cat
Cute top-level domain, Jordi

So you grow all your food and everything without human contact?

What's this kike got to do with anything?

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There is no such thing as "capitalism". There is only the principle of Private Property.

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>for me when I was 17
>growing up at 17

>le surplus value meem
Ever tried setting up your own business, Ghenghis?

Tanks, aircraft, anything necessary during a war. There are also examples of long term state capitalism which have been extremely succesfull. Just look at spain between 1960 and 1974.

Yet my country is filled with Labour supporters that believe it whole heartedly. There are many people who believe it for personal reasons such as they are immigrants themselves and there are also people who are genuinely retarded.
With nationalism we could direct these people to the USA which welcomes their kind while keeping a xenophobic nationalism over here in the UK. However it has to be defined before we can put it into practice. Nationalism can't listen to the voices of the myriad unless they want to become another multicultural shithole.

Depending on the level, yes? If your business is afloat only due to massive government subsidies and intervention to keep you a monopoly, that protection should be removed so the business can either succeed or fail on its own merits. I don't think that's too radical, is it? A parasite is a parasite.
I know what you are implying and I'm not falling for that trap you elf nigger

Good = increases the well being of the citizens, bad = decreases the well being of the citizens.

>Richer = better for the people.
>1 million immigrants makes us richer!

Yes, democracy is bad so I don’t see why the economy should be democratic (capitalist).

Socialism? So I'd reckon you're in you late teens or 20's. You believe in a fairytale lol

Yes? I have a garden, chickens and goats, and land cause I made wise decisions with my money my whole life. Why don't you?

>What does hollistic mean

Capitalism is a form of noble government. Where did democracy come into it?

>grow out
>i was 17

nothing to see here

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Oh, so some parasites are okay? :^)

doubles of truth

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Hell no, I'm a capitalist till death
Libertarians aren't perfect but they are usually pretty good.

>The system which eliminated nobility and morals in the west
>Noble

So what is the well being of the people? Can I get a definition for these terms? I consider it to increase my well-being when I have access to firearms, freedom of speech, and no taxes on my business, and my employees find it in their best interest when they don't have taxes either.

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>my ideology will last forever, everything else is just a meme
Said every society throughout history.

grow up and get a job commie

No. Individuals grow food to sell to other individuals who engage in their own paid labor so they can buy the food. Where do people come up with the idea that individuals pursuing their own self-interest are incapable of cooperation for mutual benefit?

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It is extremely efficent what the hell are you talking about?

Nobles can be shit if they value foreigners over natives. This has always been the case.

>More moral relativism

Giving an universal definition outside of that is nigh impossible so this has to be looked at case by case. For example, starvation = bad, obesity = bad. This is basic utilitarianism.

You can't seriously being arguing that socialist production has greater efficiency than capitalist production, can you?

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I misunderstood your previous point, so ignore my first sentence. What I meant was, no. But the rest of my post still stands. If your business is afloat only due to massive government subsidies and intervention to keep you a monopoly, that protection should be removed so that your business succeeds or fails based on its own merits.

>theres only two options

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Capitalists always value profit over nation and usually there is more profit in being anti nationalist. Feodalism and capitalism are also fundamentally different because feodal nobles are tied to the land, ergo they must be nationalist to an extent.

Isn't looking at things case by case kind of, I don't know... Relative? ;*)

It isn't capitalism all the way

17, right around the age you're being indoctrinated by tenured collectivist college professors? What a coincidence....

I just gave an example.

If you’re against parasitism then you’re necessarily against unearned wages aka. capitalism. Also keep in mind that management =/= ownership.

Xir dreams about being a card-carrying Party member with a seat in the sovjet and a say on how to distribute said production
Kin over state, Ghenghis. Why should I care about a nigress in the frontier with Brazil too stupid to use a condom or keep her legs closed if my family is being robbed by the "nation" to pay for her and her fifteen children?

No, for example laws are objective but legal cases have to be evaluated on a case by case basis.

>management =/= ownership
Ownership is ownership. Management is management, and you can charge for it. Labour is labour and you can charge for it too.

Capitalism erodes culture inevitably. Neo-liberal globalism is the natural result of this system.

And management is a form of labour, before you say management =/= labour

In case you have a problem like that it’s far more reasonable to support state supported family planning, or do you want her to have another 15 children?

Hey implying that libertarianism is "immature" is NOT AN ARGUMENT

She can have as many as she wants to as long as she can manage to pay for them and doesn't expect me to do so

Exactly, so ownership is per definition not labor and therefore any profit made from it is parasitic.

Any benefit extracted from property without the owner's consent is theft, even under the excuse of labour

So you don’t give a fuck about what kind of a country you leave for your children? So much so for ”kin”. You can’t just wipe problems under the rug and expect them not to show up at some point.

I give a fuck about my children, not about anybody else's

That doesn’t change the fact that capitalism is fundamentally parasitic.

>the best tool for smart people to exploit dumb people will be ingnored by smart people

So you should support family planning provided by the state.
>”Poor people who can barely feed themselves are reproducing uncontrollably, what could go wrong?”

Is the prefix of your syndicalism your opinion within a synsicalist society? Like how there are feminist anarchist, primitivist anarchists ect. ? Becaus IT only makes sense that way, anarchism and syndicalism are by their definition democratic so the prefix is essentialy your opinion within that democratic society , leave the «i want society to be built around me» to the authoritarians, be the Commie, fascist or capitalist, people who understand collectivism understand that is about people , hence democratic. Its essentialy the difference between the people who are in human relationships and want to rule Or be ruled, and those who understand that being in human relationships means being part og something bigger then yourself and therby being subject to being ruled aswell AS rule, aka democracy