What is a union worker?

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I am. What do you want to know?

What exactly are you?

By trade? A machinery repairman. Member of the USW.

So a union worker is a person who works in the trades? What exactly is a union? Is it a group of trade workers who get benefits or something? If so what are they?

You can unionize just about any job. The power of collective bargaining is the main purpose of them. We've lost considerable power over the past 40-50 years, thanks in part to Jewish brainwashing that unions hold an individual back.

What do you mean by collective bargaining? Do unions ask for more money or something from the government?

From their employer.

So the workers form a party and beg their employer more money?

Yep. Then we get it and live on easy street,wirh pensions and free bennies.

What is a pension and what do you mean by bennie?

>What is a union worker?
A commie.

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Go fuck yourself

A 25 minute coffee break every half hour.

Hahahhaa, goodness gracious Ivan, why are you getting so upset at someone on the internet?

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unions usually are pretty scummy in my experience. the nyc subway union is full of lazy fucks who want gibs. most unions today just drive up wages through their greed and force businesses to lay people off, happened at a few ge plants here.

>What is a union worker?

Someone who doesn't simply take big business cock up their ass without complaint.

Unions emerge in every free market system that doesn't have the government actively going in and shutting them down. In a very real sense a Union worker is the key capitalist.

Nonsense. A union is basically a corporation that sells labour. They only naturally want to get the best price for their product.

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Collective bargaining is just a group of employees IE the union coming together to negotiate terms of their contract which include wages, benefits, etc.

Im a member of a public union (IAFF) so im effectively negotiating with the government.

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What the fuck do they teach you kids in schools besides 45 genders? Do people in the USA really not know what the unions are? God damn

Unions are a form of communism.

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>union
>worker

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Fuck if I know
But I'm down with the proletariat
And I'm down for the Czar

lol see
Burgers.

Underrage and banned. Jesus Christ " durrr what dis undion worked bean"?

union faggot here, for me its about making more money and trolling the lefty faggots that surround me irl.

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Yea that's clearly an underrage and banned. He robably knows everything about Karl Marx, though.

what union are you a part of?
any opinions on it?

Unions are extremely capitalistic. Collective bargaining. "We won't work until you give us x." The company is free to hire other workers but they usually can't. Unions are using their economic agency to increase the value of their labor

Ha, I’m sure it pissed them off. Unions are, however, a leftist invention. I’m also part of a Union — a public one. I don’t like being forced into it. I’m hoping the case in the US Supreme Court passes.

It's called capitalism, sweetie. Workers stick together for more. Employers can find other workers but wait, other workers aren't willing to work for free so they have to pay for the demand. Also, build the wall

forced into it?

Dirty commies that steal my money.

Collective of workers in a certain or related careers, usually for the purpose of collective bargaining. They can be be good or bad. As a typical rule if a Jew is in charge it's going to be a scam.

Yes, they can be viewed as capitalistic, but force membership. Therefore it’s socialistic/communistic.

Yes you must be a member, pay dues, etc. it’s fucked.

Right

With people in tech fields such the game industry working double overtime with no breaks, how come there is no unionization there?

does the employer make you join, or something? how did they force you to join?

I know your pain. Stupid commies always taking money from my paycheck so I can be apart of their gay club that I couldn't give less of a fuck about being in.

Same thing a non-Union worker is.
A useful idiot. A tool used by the controlling party for political/financial gain.

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Usually yes, there's a few benefits to running a union worksite. Usually there's a few non union worksites and small businesses as well in the area, but decent sized non union worksites are usually nigger tier, unsafe, beaner traps etc.

Because the union is a bargaining group with the government (employer), and membership is forced through an MOU. It’s not all that bad on paper but:

- I’m very conservative
- Dues are over $300 a month
- I don’t agree with any political motivations out union associates with
- The union service to members is shit anywY

I’d rather keep my extra $300 a month.

Too much foreign labour. Threat of deportation back to India is more than enough to frighten codes monkeys into compliance.

Because they can hire pajeets and chingalings to work for half the price if whitey wants to unionize.

Even NPR of all shill news networks did a segment on how Mexican laborers destroyed unions in the agricultural industry. Even the left admits their mistake.

Not long ago I was very anti-union. I've come to realize (at my current job, in telco) that if they could reduce my pay to minimum wage and work me like a nigger they totally would. I've come to appreciate what the union has to offer as far as giving workers like me a voice and a seat at the table when it comes to bargaining for fair wages and decent working conditions... even if most unions are full of commie/leftist scum they push back on corporate greed / worker abuse. I like to think of unions as a useful virus as opposed to a parasite- we infect the host and get what we want, but we cant over do it because we don't want to kill the host - A infectious virus of friendship and peace.

Yeah sounds shit, mine is a flat $100 a month but it's going downhill in terms of returns as they slash services/benefits.

>hold the means of production hostage through strikes for more gibs
>capitalist.

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yeah I worked at verizon and the union didn't do shit for me, they only stuck up for the old useless fucks and didnt care about the new guy (you know, the future of their union and workforce) they were all typical boomer scum.

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thanks for the info
seems strange to me that membership in an organization for workers' well being is often mandated by the employer

Unions like to make you think only non-union jobs are like that. It’s not true at all. If you work somewhere that doesn’t treat you well FUCKING LEAVE. I’ve worked many places that were not union that paid well, had benefits, treated employees very well (because the executive staff truly appreciated everyone). They are out there. Unions try to make you forget that.

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Ours is about $100 usually too. However, we keep having to file lawsuits because of the new pussy generation having to complain about every fucking thing. Apparently everything is sexual harassment nowadays. And, in California, it legally is. Fucking commies.

Usually unions help set up employers from when they were workers, provide consistent quality, legal benefits and financial support etc.

But some do use intimidation, bribes etc on employers to ensure compliance. Chicago partly in the state it is now from such worker unions.

I 100% agree, I worked at a small communications company that was non-union and loved it, they went under but they treated me well. Some places unions aren't necessary and even take advantage of workers.. it really depends on the management culture and whos running shit. And as far as "FUCKING LEAVE".. umm no, sweetie. Thats not how unions work, and true good paying middle class jobs are hard to find.

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In my case it's due to our last government slashing funding and allowing too many Poos and Chinks in. Kind of annoying as I got well worth the value in physiotherapy after an accident through it.

this. I believe the unions had a time and place in America to assert the rights of workers for better conditions and treatment. It was the collective power that got wages and a 40 hour week to the table, then the unions became a dead weight and did just as much damage to the american work force and middle class as globalism. There may be a time and place for them again, but for now they are only a relic protecting boomer fags in government jobs and teacher positions who are unchecked and are run by the same people who benefit from the protection. No government employee is going to reign in a union that would go against their own best interest.

? To the last part of your response. I think perhaps I wasn’t clear as to what I was trying to say.

Your last statement is spot on. I feel like a cuck being part of one. But I like what I do, a lot. I feel like I’m going against my morals. So, I take my tax break (from dues), I don’t participate in any union activities, don’t participate in any votes, don’t give any feedback. But your last statement — every person in union office!!!

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FASCIST PEANUT BUTTER PARTY SHALL STAY ON TOP

meaning in most cases people do just leave the places they are employed because they are treated like shit. If you are apart of a union, you have opportunities to bring about change and negotiate better working conditions that you would otherwise not have access to if you were non-union.
I don't think unions have any place in "public sector" / gov jobs, because those workers have a lot of protection already. I do disagree, simply because of my experience where I currently work. I protect critical infrastructure and often go towards danger / crisis putting myself in harms way - if the company I work for had their way they would pay me shit and absolve themselves from responsibility for when I get injured, even though because of me they make bank.

A Union SHOULD ostensibly be a collective of workers who band together and bargain for a bigger piece of the pie. Their birth place (English factories) made it easy to organise and obtain what they wanted (a strike in the days of low automation could kill production and wipe profits). Nowadays with our atomised workforces and outsourcing, you won't get anything through a strike so Unions have gone into more of a political/market driven approach (adverts etc). At least in my country, but huge influxes of 457 visa has kinda undermined that.

I'm a coal miner. A union is basically creating a monopoly on the labor force so you've got more leverage in negotiating the price of your wage.

There are a bunch of other items typically in it like you'll pay a steep annual fee but they'll provide you with lawyers and advice when you need it.

Unions are why every trade job in Australia pays 6 figures including my job as a coal miner.

Don't worry user vote for Trump he will take care of you lmao

I loathe that a union will sit there and defend some lazy no good piece of shit like with every bit of fire that a good person has earned. I want workers treated fair and equal, but in coal the unions along pushed higher and higher wages that outpaced the cost of the product in a decreasing market. coal was struggling as steel makers moved production overseas to exploit cheap labor, and lax regulations. they also used foreign coal, but metalugic coal overseas is subpar, thus why poor quality of foreign, especially chinese, steel. had the unions been realistic and not fucking retards and the government not sold out to wallstreet and slapped a fucking tariff on steel equal to US production costs a good many us jobs could have been saved. not all of them, but not the massive exodus we saw.

They only do that so their workers won't create unions. Even employees who aren't in a union benefit from them. Unions gave us the weekend.

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John Howard killed the unions by legislating against them through the antiterrorism bills

That's not to do with unions you retard. Your country doesn't have decent coal left just cheap thermal shit that's worth fuck all. Im a coal miner in Australia we get American miners here there is nothing wrong with American work ethic it's in fact more than here.

American coal is dead. Just like Britain.

eventually that union will fuck your job mate, see UAW in the USA late 1970s. Don't think it won't happen. they are already automating your mines over there with remote control machines

Sheep
Independent business all the way.

This.

your fucking coal is shit for making steel you wank. no wonder that chinese steel is jink they buy the shit from you and and fucking Malaysia. To think I was trying to be decent with a fellow miner. you can take your shit brown high sulfur junk and fuck off now

Lmao my god you mutts are so fucking brainwashed. Mechanisation and automation is the natural order of things. We are heavily automated already but you still need operators on all the machinery and hands put to use to keep everything going.

If it wasn't for unions everyone here would be on contract jobs paid a fraction of the amount without any job security. I've been there

My work has alot of different departments so they jew as hard as possible. The standard argreement they use is that if your dept signs for a union, you have to stay nonunion for a year if your dept decides to leave that union. My work wants to slash us but thanks to our cba, we're making 17/hr. Unions are only as good as the people particpating. Our health insurance and 401k's have been jewed by loss of ground though.

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Americans are so dumb.
We have the best coal in the world. Almost all the PCI coal. I work in the Bowen Basin it's all met coal here worth $300 per tonne. You dont even have met coal in the states it's all thermal crap barely with $60. Your mines aren't closing because of unions or regs it's closing because the market for thermal is dying. You cunts are trying to sell whale blubber in a world that's moving on to kerosene.

As I said, see the UAW and late 70's think you guys won't hit the wall? just saying it comes and goes. I seen it fall and I'm seeing it come back. we run 3 shifts 6 days a week and it's all met coal sold before it hits the ground. I am in the trucking end with 29 trucks and our guys run 6 days a week solid days and still get calls for work.

Sounds like you're a tiny operation. We produce 10 million tonnes a year. The costs for workers is marginal compared to our infrastructure.

I should say it's a longwall operation using top coal caving. It's already heavily automated. We don't use trucks we have a conveyor belt system

A lazy boomer nigger.

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t. Brainwashed mutt under the poverty line

unironically this. union workers are lazy, entitled, uneducated rubes who humorously overestimate the value of their work.

they mines here yes are smaller operations due to terrain, permitting processes (thank you fucking government) and such. Most are smaller strip mines on the surface and there are some good sized deep mines. they are not giant operations by any stretch. It western pa and some is steam coal that goes to plants around here and other met we truck to barges and ports in pittsburgh etc to go to steel plants or overseas. either way, i'm glad it's back and all bs aside user, I hope you guys never fight the war we did in the coal industry with unions, government and the market. Nothing breaks your heart more than seeing hard working guys lose it all over political games

Me:
earning $140k per year plus holidays and sickies on an even time roster with pretty good job security

You:
"Wow he tipped me $5!!!!"

Either you aren't in the industry or you're an idiot. Mining methods aren't dependant on government regs it's related to your coal seam. There are bigger mines than ours in the states I know American coal miners and I've worked for Peabody Energy which is is transnational and had big mines there once upon a time.

You just don't have much economically viable coal seams anymore. Back during the coal boom a lot of your mines were operating on margin. You just aren't selling your coal for much. We will have the same issue here soon as the thermal mines in NSW start closing.

Unionising is the best thing for workers it ensures you don't be screwed over by your company and that you can negotiate a better price for your work. If you want to work for pennies then all the more power to you lmao. But it's this mentality which is why the wealth gap is so bad in the USA

Strip mines are very dependant on regs and property right and meeting run off requirements etc. pits have to be back filled and high walls only so high. I deal very little with underground and as I said, I do trucking not underground. the closest I get to underground mining is loading at the pile when it comes out the belts.

>bullshit around for 3 hours
>pretend to look like you're working for an hour
>take 3 hour lunch
>dick around some more
>threaten to go on strike because someone suggest you actually do your job
>lose strike
>stub toe
>go on workers comp
>pretend you contribute something to society
Wew.

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Im not saying methods here either I;m saying the area I am in doesnt have huge mines, the seems arent that big as you say. prob the biggest long wall set up was in 84 Pa south of pittsburgh but I think it closed and rosebud has some smaller long wall set ups

Spoiled brats of the trades.

I sit on my ass in a 250k 2015 Peterbilt listening to music talking shit on the cb and online high on pain meds all day making 70k a year. Im not bitching at all man, life is good and when the coal is gone I will truck something else.

>union
>work
Pick one. They sit around in office trailers and trucks while some contract slob does the actual work, and assumes the risk. This is a big reason why they lost favor, since it was originally to increase wages based on skill and/or assumption of risk, and better working conditions. Now, it just seems to be as self serving as the tycoons they were created to balance.