How did the Germans Lose in Stalingrad when they Had Better Weapons?

They really didn't have better weapons, you see a lot of photos of German soldiers carrying PPSH.

Complex German designs are not conducive to harsh conditions and the requisitioning Soviet weapons is often a better idea when you are dependent on a think stretched supply chain for ammo

Also the Russian explosive rounds was way stronger than the German version, check out the YouTube video.

>Germans had the original AK 47
No they didn't

They got bogged down in street to street fighting. Then the winter hit and their supply lines got cut.
They managed to hold out for a long fucking time despite all tht though.

Overextended supply lines
I'll equipped for the winter
Underestimating russian manpower (military and industrial)
Not allowing russians to surrender forcing them to fight to the death
Fighting in urban environments which turns into a meat grinder very quickly as strategy and out- maneuvering the enemy is not possible
Germany going after stalingrad because it has stalins name in it instead of going straight for the oil fields
Hitler dismissing the advice of his generals

Russians on vodka are ubermensch. You wont get them out of the ruin unless you physically pull out their corpse with your bayonet.

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Sage

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The Germans outnumbered the Soviets at the start of the war and only lost number in the late stages.

STG44 is basically the original AK47

Russians naturally have a +5 to cold resistance, and Germans have a lot of negative modifiers to durability and AP if they don't reach the AA Line by the tenth turn. Not to mention that their lategame units are way too expensive compared to other factions.

Fake History

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+10
good kek

They look very similar, but are mechanically very different. Also the STG44 wasn't in use during Stalingrad which lasted between September 1942 and February 1943.

Only a handful of krauts ever got the assault rifles, and the Germans were at the end of an overextended supply line and low on literally everything. Food, fuel, clothing/boots, ammunition, spare parts, medical supplies, all of it was in short supply. They were also significantly outnumbered fighting an entrenched enemy in urban ruins, one of the worst things to have to assault. And they still only lost by a thread.
Fact is the Germans had lost the momentum even before Stalingrad and had failed to destroy the Soviets' industry and supply lines. They were fucked pretty early on, they just had the ability to bleed the Reds terribly before the Wehrmacht finished stalling out.

no use in better weapons if you have no bullets

The average soldier on both sides had nothing but a bolt action. Not that light weaponry has ever been able to change the course of a war anyway

Infantry weapons don't win wars

As someone already mentioned, overextended supply lines and also Stalin was very determined not to let his namesake city fall. Hence why it was a fight down to city blocks.

Weapons don't matter at this point as does who flinches first and tenacity.

Stalin with his not one step back and determination won this fight.

not since 15th century. based polack!

It's hard to win when the Romanians and Italians break and allowed the Germans to be cut off and surrounded.

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The truth is that while Germans were excellent combatants, their "allies" weren't nearly as good. All those Romanians, Hungarians, Slovaks, French, Italians, Croats and similar ilk simply suck at war.

german infantry was worse in close combat and was not able to take city in time. then they were encircled and cut from the rest of the army by big flank attack

The mud bogged down the German armor, the German troops had inadequate winter gear, the Russian rulers (kikes) were willing to throw hundreds of thousands of lives away on a whim

also the American advance from Normandy forced Germany to send more resources West

Ppsh wasnt bad, though stg is probably better in most situations.
Only in layout. Tilting bolt is a very different design than long stroke gas piston.
>t. Jow Forumstard

>OP is obviously trolling
>everyone responds seriously anyway

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normandy was in 1944, stalingrad in in 1942

you see, how to explain you...
1944>1942

>Doesn't make sense Germany had the resources to supply. You can’t pin this on numbers

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>lose the mid lane
>procede to blame the team

If you fuckers weren't such weak vassalating faggots, maybe things would have been different.

because croatians assisted russians
youtube.com/watch?v=bVbqdD6CmOI&t=

Soviet forces were more used to lack of supplies.

The winter.

They sure did.

fuck off with your autism, you know exactly what he meant.

burr durr hurr acktully the stg44 is internally very diffeerant

And it was gradually whittled down by Stalingrad. At the time the Soviets counter-attacked they had superior numbers. It was that and the fact that the German allies holding the Northern flank fell allowing the 6th army to be encircled.

Logistical failures. The Germans were shit at logistics from day 1 and that is why they lost. Stop consuming wehraboo propaganda.

>stg44
>in 1942

Hurrrrr

“We’ll crush our enemies under the bodies of our dead!”

inadequate supply lines due to not preparing for russia's muddy terrain

/thread

you can't solely blame it on the winter. yes it all slowed down during the winter and the germans got pushed back but when the weather got better they actually started making advancements again in many areas .But they also lacked mobility and didn't get the much needed Tiger tanks until it was too late, they also sent to many troops down the the oil fields and refinery's instead of pulling them in to help secure Stalingrad. Hitler demanded to much to soon from his men.

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Military History Visualized Stalingrad is great explanation why, give it a try user.

If Hitler and Tojo had waited until the Amerimutt elections, we would have went down the best timeline.

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stupid fuck troops didn't use smgs like in your videogames and movies, they used service rifles
mosin nagant was an excellent rifle on par with the german 98k

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yes they did dick head, the soviets just improved on it. just like brits did with the jet engine the Germans essentially invented it first but it needed some improvements.

Fun fact Germany and co outnumbered Soviets whole 41 during their biggest victories. Basicly they bogged down after losing numericL superiority

>Entirely different gas system
>Internals are completely different
>Breakdown is completely different
>Construction is completely different
>"I-Its the same thing"
Absolutely brainlet posts

This. Did you know that in ww2 there were more casuals from explosives then bullets.

Yep, but they were slowed down because Hitler went to help the Italians in Greece because he worried about a British landing. Obviously, this was retarded.

Even if the Brits retook all of the Balkans that would not be worth it to lose Russia over. Had the campaign not been delayed 3-4 months, they would have pushed much harder and faster. Their next offensive in 42 would have sealed the war.

I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the military history of the eastern front of WW2. You should really go read a book or something. The StG44 did not exist at the time, and the PPSh-41 was an excellent submachine gun for the environment it was in.

That was at the begining of the war, mutt. Sttlaingrad happend way later.

>1942
>STG44
Nope.jpeg

The Soviets had more cannon fodder.

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>The gun looked similar but everything else was different making but they're still basically the same thing even though the only things they have in common are appearance and firing a vaguely similar cartridge
You'd think the Vietnamese would know more about the AK-47

Those aren't the casualty numbers for Barbarossa at all...

>Germans had the original AK 47
>calling PPSH "tommy gun"
American education

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1. Not clearing the flanks; all their local combat power was focused on clearing Stalingrad, rather than having the banks of the Don completely secured. Lots of little Soviet bridgeheads were allowed to survive, where they could have easily been systematically demolished.
2. Low mobile reserves. Again, too much shit, especially mobile divisions, engaged in Stalingrad proper.
3. Too many miles of flank covered by Romanians. Both flanks that broke were covered by the Romanians. One commonly suggested solution was to alternate 1 German 1 Romanian division down the line, instead of a long distance of Germans followed by a long distance of Romanians. This isn't to say the Romanians were incapable of learning not to suck- but in this situation, they sucked balls harder than anyone but the Italians.
4. PAULUS, that stupid bootlicking motherfucker.
5. Mistakes during summer, which, had they been avoided, would have meant easy capture of Stalingrad before it became a real issue.
6. Germans assuming the Soviets were on the ropes, leading to many of the above mistakes.

yeah thought the same. soviets got completely crippled, it should have said around 4 million.

Men fight harder for what they might lose rather than for what they may possibly gain, the germans were miles from home in the most unbearable of conditions fighting for what? To kill Russians on Russian land?

The Russians however were fighting to preserve their homeland and protect their women and children, they also had the numbers and the supplies, and of course the winter was for them just another winter, for the Germans it was sheer hell in their summer clothes and without hot food or water.

> Übermensch g*rmans can't even survive south russian winter
What a shame.

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>bong thinks they only had summer clothes
That was one year earlier

no one is saying they're the same but the stg44 is basically the original the starting point you fucking brainlet.

hooktube.com/watch?v=sPWJOJZQCs8

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>ubermensch but only when the weather is good

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this. It's like warfare 101. Split enemy into smaller groups and attack those smaller groups with superior force. What i know of, even Alexander the great used it back in the day. I think you could find it even from the chinese book of warfare.

>at all...
Different sources give different amounts; some rate the German losses as 100,000 higher than the Soviet, some rate it several hundred thousand less. There will never be an accurate number, just estimates. I think the higher Soviet to German ratios are the most defensible.

Because it was chas Ivan "the Siberian hunter" vs beta Hans berlin-dweller

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They had some winter clothes certainly, but not enough, and they lacked other things too, like suitable rations and medical supplies. Many died of cold in Stalingrad, as did many die of their wounds and infections that resulted.

STG44 was 1944. Stalingrad was 1942-1943. American education.

*chad Ivan

No, it wasn't. The Soviets had multiple rifles in testing far before the Stg-44 came about. The technology behind a gas operated rifle was ancient at the point as well as stamped recievers and the like. The ONLY thing, ONLY thing, that the Stg had which was revolutionary was a fucking bullet it used, not the platform itself.

Russians are like ant men from hell. They just walk into it no matter what. In time they will overwhelm everything with piles of corpses becoming the ramp for their next assault. The sad truth is that Germany never had a chance.

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>ant men from hell

kek, that could be a movie title

German superior weapons is my favorite meme. Also Germans lost because like always thej are fucking retarded and cant manage supply lines for shit

the stg 44 is NOTHING like the ak47, learn your shit.

>stgs 44 in Stalingrad
literally kindergarten-tier knowledge. Just look at the name of the gun, ffs

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pretty sure there were no panzers at stalingrad. they were sent south... to the oilfields. so it was mano a mano in the city.

This and I will also add that they should have blitzed right to Moscow.

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It kinda is... Its the same idea. Read up johnny boii.

This desu senpai

That's not actually true, the AK-47 was based upon designs for the undeveloped stg 45, which was essentially an improved stg 44, Kalashnikov was given prototypes and drawings from which the AK evolved.

Learn your shit

Actually sturm is the original m16 rifle.

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They didn't starve out Stalingrad, and should have focused more resources in the Caucuses.

>american education
woah.... so this is the power... of 56%......

Different system entirely you brainlets. The successor to the Stg was a French rifle produced in the 50s.

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Fuck of to /his/ with this shit!

youtube.com/watch?v=QeBi8jt7CdI

Wake the fuck up

Ran out of soldiers.

Stalingrad was a stupid city to take in the first place expending all that energy. They beat themselves.

Why does it not operate the same way then?