Sympathy for the devil

This is what i like, not to have socalled itching ears to want a different thing, but it really logically follows with regards to this, it´s way too convenient that an a+++ cherub becomes conveniently the fall guy for every injustice and any and all evil and the epitomy of such things, it sounds positively human such a suggestion of scapegoatism we do it as a routine, it´s interesting. Ofcourse they formulated things from older things.

Well i don´t agree with that but it´s certainly a view and i find it interesting to discuss so thanks for participating.

I think you need to start asking questions, you're scratching the surface of a much larger red-pill.. AMA

I´m sorry i should be more clear in that i don´t believe they didn´t just made it up from nothing is what i don´t agree with, with regards to what you said. That´s as easy to say as the original argument in many ways. And again back to the classical keep it simple stupid human approach. Where we maybe keep it too simple to be smart about it.

>I think you need to start asking questions, you're scratching the surface of a much larger red-pill.. AMA
Well, you seem like a person who has something to say. If that be the case, by all means share it, floor is yours. Certainly not trying to stop you.

it it was entirely unintentional and unwitting, then it cannot be a sin/crime

Well, lets keep it closer to home.. Christianity is based on Jewish text.. It's a LARP fork. Same with Islam. So, here's a difference in views on this topic :
> myjewishlearning.com/article/satan-the-adversary/
> Some of these Christian ideas are echoed in Jewish tradition, but some also point to fundamental differences — most notably perhaps the idea that, in the Hebrew Bible at least, Satan is ultimately subordinate to God, carrying out his purpose on earth
> jewinthecity.com/2017/10/what-is-the-jewish-view-of-the-devil/
> guess at this point it makes as much sense as any to point out that, while many of you have probably been reading that as “Satan” (pronounced “say-tin”), that’s not the Jewish way of saying it. We actually call this concept “the Satan” (pronounced “sah-tahn,” with a “the” in front of it). The Satan is “the accuser.” He is not a demon, a fallen angel, or the ruler of Hell. He doesn’t want your soul, nor would he have any use for it. Rather, the Satan is an angel like any other, a servant of God with an assigned job to do. His job is something like District Attorney – he prosecutes our sins in the Heavenly courtroom. That doesn’t make him evil, at least no more so than the prosecutors on Law and Order and, generally speaking, we root for them to get a conviction.The Talmud (Baba Basra 16) actually equates the Satan with both the yetzer hara (the evil inclination) and the Angel of Death. The idea is that the Satan comes down to Earth to try and entrap humans into sin (as he did with Job), then he ascends to Heaven to testify against them. If the person is convicted, he serves as executioner. (This is inferred from the fact that God cautioned the Satan not to take Job’s life, from which we see that such was otherwise within the Satan’s purview).

See where the Christian mythos went full retard? Does the above make more sense in respect to Abrahamic mythos?

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Even if it was intentional as outlined in the bible, i´ll give you the gist of it. The cherub basically percieved that humanity was too frail and unsolid and would fail when they were pushed they would falter and not hold up their end in a larger thing. And so it would be better if they were replaced with something else. So he torments job to prove to god that mankind is unworthy. Which he also does a+ and job finally curses god like satan said job would do. Obviously satan being an a++ cherub with an overzealotry of flawlessness executes that in a horrifying fashion towards job with meticulous accuracy but in a very negative way in the sight of god. Satan goes all the way when he does something. Too much zealotry. he is then not to be forgiven for trying to sabotage mankind. But he only does it because he percieves that they are weak link. Perhaps underestimating it but regardless.

your post does not (and cannot) change the inescapable fact of the post of mine you are replying to

Even if it was intentional, the cherub has a +++ rating so to speak. So perfect that it is even mentioned in the bible how perfect he used to be in all his ways from the time he was made. By forgiving him you would have then overzealotry of trying to rectify the mistake!!! it just makes no god damn sense. But maybe i don´t quite understand it, but it seems very human this interpretation.

>your post does not (and cannot) change the inescapable fact of the post of mine you are replying to
Well let me think about that. Okay.

Don't get me wrong OP. I'm just saying don't play games with the devil. I also recommend that you don't ask God for anything. If you want to pray, only say thank you. I wasn't intentionally mocking you.

I appreciate it, and i´m also careful about that. I may be naive but i´m not stupid.

This is what christianity claims. Look at what the jewish text its based on claims : Which makes more sense.

Religion is like a big game of telephone. The further out you go the more retarded and foolish the story becomes. This is not to say that Judiasm is an original religion. It's a LARP just like all of them. However, Christianity and Islam extended from it and therefore make the mythos/theology even more childish/foolish. Seems you're hung up on the Christian tale of satan/devil.. they sort of went full-retard and misinterpreted the jewish text. So, this is where :
> No i don´t think it´s a flaw in what was delivered, i think it´s described incorrectly.
They fucked up the translations of the jewish text and dumbed it down for mass conception : aka the false dichotomy of good/evil. Le black and white Star wars like nonsense. Gave the masses a horned entity to blame all their faults for and a knight in shining armor to save them. It's a childish mass consumption form of a broader and deeper spiritual story.

What is this? An interpretation of tron?

and?

also, when did Job curse God?

and just how exactly are you relating tron:legacy to Job's story?

must i read ALL of your posts ITT?

If you can figure out how omniscient, immortal beings work, then please let me know.

Wow you read chapter 1 and 2 of paradise lost?

>I also recommend that you don't ask God for anything. If you want to pray, only say thank you.
Wtf is this shit? This is the very example of childish spirituality I'm talking about. No wonder the theology/interp is so pleb tier.
> ALL WILL BE FORGIVEN IF YE JUST HAVE FAITH... No need for personal development or understanding.

he is attempting a theodicy, i think, by exploring the overarching metaphor of tron: legacy

..... i think

To be fair for CLU, Flynn was a bit of an arrgoant ass with that "yeah...."

> mfw plebs don't understand tron was heavily based in religion as is most sci-fi

>Wtf is this shit? This is the very example of childish spirituality I'm talking about. No wonder the theology/interp is so pleb tier.

OK. Do as you please user. You can interact with the devil if you please. You can ask God for whatever you want. Not like I can stop you.

>also, when did Job curse God?
Well the intent was that he curses what god has given him and he does that.
>and just how exactly are you relating tron:legacy to Job's story?
I'm not doing that i´m talking about the cherub and relating him to tron:legacy which has its own spin on it. I´m not attacking you here just so you understand. Because you react as if i am.

>If you can figure out how omniscient, immortal beings work, then please let me know.
What the duck. Go read my first reply to another guy here. The irony is that in your zealotry you might have done similar things.

the cherub?
so...
the adversary? the dragon?
well you've found the right person for certain

my knowledge thereof is extensive, no jest
I have more answers than almost anyone you will have ever met

ask away

Dear child. I am not a christ cuck. God is beyond Abrahamic religion conceptions. Stay mind cucked if you like.

Why don´t you just explain what it is you know. And for the sake of format have a little less blank spaces and longer lines. Because it´s easier for everyone that way.

I like how you're not responding to my post that gives you the red-pill you claim you're looking for and interesting centers on the Job story. How old are you if you dont mind me asking? It seems like you're young and new to this.

Of course he forgave Clu. He embraces him in the end, but the world needed to be remade.

>I like how you're not responding to my post that gives you the red-pill you claim you're looking for and interesting centers on the Job story.
I like how you give yourself so much value and assume i´m ignoring it. Which comment is it i am supposed to respond to and i´ll check it out. Oh it´s a larp thing. Well i disagree with that. and you take it way too far to pretend that satan is not a thing. It means the ones who lay accusations before god, and he´s clearly identified as a cherub in the bible. A cherub means the ones who burn so he´s a force commander of sorts. Which also fits with the bible calling the antichrist following a god of war.

How i see the cherub after looking at the bible is like angelic shocktroops and the cherub that is called satan (we never get the real name only such titles) were one of the best. Doing the dirty work. Overseeing many solar systems etc. As guardian cherubim. hence some kind of conflict in the sky at one point.

>Of course he forgave Clu. He embraces him in the end, but the world needed to be remade.
I think the ending was beautiful, and clu refuses to be forgiven, unlike in the bible where he is not given that opportunity. So atleast in the OP video it makes sense that Flynn did what he did. He forgave clu when clu would not forgive himself.

God never really changed his mind, the scriptures state he made us for a reason and asked Iblis to simply see us as equals.
This is all that was asked for and despite everything that he was, Iblis was unable to exhibit the most divine of traits, humility, and as a result showed a lack of understanding in the Truth.
It's unfortunate that it happened and it does suck that he is shunned but it is all a result of his actions, and his actions alone.
All it takes for Iblis to be in the good books again is simply admitting that all creations, no matter how they are made, share equal footing with love in the eyes of all, not just their creator.
This was his failing, as pride is the most damaging of all sin. Greed may exhaust resources, sloth may lead to decay and lust may lead to decadence, but pride blinds a man to his failings and leaves him susceptible to destruction. It is both the first and last sin a being will usually commit and it will always be the downfall to those who indulge in its high too often.
Sometimes I often wonder if this story we see unfolding before our eyes is really about us, or is the story of Iblis and either his redemption or inability to save himself before its too late.

So you're a christ cuck whose not looking for true and deep answers.. You simply want to some interesting consultation to what you're obviously realizing is a flawed theological foundation. Thanks for conveniently ignoring my post that went against your pre-trained narrative. Suddenly you recall it once I call you out.

The post was prominently placed here :
I'm going to just assume you're young and were raised in the church and have yet to begin a journey of unraveling the deeper theological premises that underly your indoctrinated religious beliefs. As you get older, you'll hopefully do some reading on world religion, history, and theology and grow spiritually beyond Abrahamic dichotomies. My work is done here.

>So you're a christ cuck whose not looking for true and deep answers..
No i happen to know a lot about the bible and i simply disagree with you.

When you come up with some more compelling arguments than calling me a christcuck i´ll evaluate them, but silly shaming is not how you turn someone like me around.

>iblis.
You´re a muslim aren´t you? No offense but what we are discussing here requires actually having studied the bible. This is what we are arguing from. And i don´t mean to be rude but many muslims don´t know their ass from their elbow when talking about the bible. of the qu´ran and hadiths they can however be experts but that´s not really what we are talking about here.

Christianity is the worship of the Jewish people. The Jewish writers of Christianity were Rabbis as evidenced by their knowledge of the occult. Throughout the Bible numerology is used, along with the pro-Jewish subliminal messaging. Adolf Hitler was a Spiritual Satanist who worked to remove Christianity from Germany.

>Christianity is the worship of the jewish people
No and out of topic for this discussion. I give it to you easy. Jews esau, christians jacob. Let´s try to stick to the topic at hand friends. I appreciate the attention though.

what it is that I know would not fit into one entire thread

>And for the sake of format have a little less blank spaces and longer lines.

i am eternally enamored of my formatting

>Christianity is the worship of the Jewish people.

what in the world???????

Just to make this perfectly clear. I´m wanting to debate a nuance of how satan, the cherubim field commander is depicted in the bible as being of a++ credentials but making a mistake and not being forgiven. And arguing that there might be a nuance there that is NOT depicted by doctrine. This is the debate here. Not weither you like christianity or wish to promote something else. If you have something like that. Just simply.. not reply. I am interested in those who have biblical oppinions about this kind of thing, or if they have non biblical ideas, atleast keep them about this matter and not start ranting about how much you hate christianity etc. Sound fair? Good.

I already did. It was in the post you ignored and is found in the old testament story about Job that you seem to have ignored w.r.t to the original version the jews had and the correct theological interp. You're young and want to keep the training wheels on. I know what your mindstate is because I once was (YOU). Also, friendly reminder, you have to be at least 18 to post here

If Christianity wasn't pro-Jewish than why are so many White tribes killed off in the Bible, or enslaved?

>Also, friendly reminder, you have to be at least 18 to post here
Hmpf.. It´s really funny you should say that, for a number of reasons.
>I already did. It was in the post you ignored and is found in the old testament story about Job that you seem to have ignored w.r.t to the original version the jews had and the correct theological interp.
I read your argument and i told you that i disagreed with it and you resorted to ad hominems and petty shaming rather than arguments. It might work in your circles but it´s completely irellevant to me.

>If Christianity wasn't pro-Jewish than why are so many White tribes killed off in the Bible, or enslaved?
You´re forcing out of topic debate. To answer shortly. Because the jews are esau who don´t like christians. Jacob and esau also have parallel to abel and cain. Christianity is as pro jewish as jesus is to supposed to follow the jews instead of the jews following jesus. Jesus fully rejected the jews as derelict in john 8. And only the truth of their dereliction can set them free. The memoriable quote the truth shall set you free is what he said to them when they thought they did not need forgiveness and he told them they didn´t even follow what abraham believed in correctly.

DEAR DUMB FUCK. THE PROBLEM YOU DESCRIBE HAS TO DO WITH CHRISTIANS MISINTERPERTING THE JEWISH TEXT THAT THE BIBLE IS BASED ON AS WITH THE STORY OF JOB. IT SEEMS YOU FORGOT 1/2 the dam bible is based on JEWISH TEXT. THE OLD TESTAMENT IS A FUCKED UP TRANSLATION OF JEWISH TEXT. You state you're perplex as to why the story of the devil/satan/lucifer makes no sense but refuse to even read the links I provided about the jewish theological presentation of him. You're essentially mind cucked and asking others to lower themselves to your infantile understanding of the theology that underlines your religion.

Since you can't into links, let me sum it up for you :
Per your religion, Satan/Lucifer/The devil is God's handyman.
Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Thus the saying "NECESSARY EVIL".
Everything is in its right place. Man kind just distorts this truth so its palatable for pleb minds like yours who refuse to 'into' metaphysical truths.
> Milk for babes, and meat for men
You choose your own path. Ultimately, Lucifer will be the one who testifies to this. Believe what you want. It doesn't change the indivisible truth. If you be a fool who believe the words of man instead of those of truth, you still will be bound by your own choice to do so.

>but making a mistake and not being forgiven.

he would not accept forgiveness

pride... his ego would not allow submission, repentance

None of you fuckers talk about the cherub/satan at all, just stupid shit about how much you don´t like christianity. Pull your shit together or get out.

wow, with all of that spite, the light of Christ sure is shining through you!

> and create evil:

mistranslation

> i told you that i disagreed with it
Provide supports for your disagreement.
Stating you disagree w/ no supports examples that you know your ideological premise to be wrong and w/o support and are engaging in cognitive dissonance.. Childlike behavior.

because they were wicked

>mistranslation
Provide the proper translation.
Spite? I suggest you revisit the definition.
The light shines through all things as it did and does even for Lucifer (Light Bearer and Morning Star)

>You state you're perplex as to why the story of the devil/satan/lucifer makes no sense but refuse to even read the links I provided about the jewish theological presentation of him. You're essentially mind cucked and asking others to lower themselves to your infantile understanding of the theology that underlines your religion.
No i know very well how ridiculous jews are in their theological interpretation, a 10 year old could poke holes in their esteemed rabbis in about 10 seconds. You are arguing that the jews understand the theology better when i know for a fact they don´t. Someone who can read the translated texts from hebrew are far better than jews in understanding them. You´re arguing the same thing muslims do, that hebrew is some kind of magical language that you can only derive meaning if you understand it. It´s false. Language is a matter of semantics and syntax and anyone can understand it, this is the method of rabbis and imams and sheikhs to try to give themselves monopoly on what things say that way, which is pathetic when you see how easy and unambiguous the translations are and plenty of books related to look up if you want to find meaning of a specific word.

Your age is seriously showing dude. Get off the board and go talk to your pastor about it or someone with a high level theological understanding of Christianity.

I have another suggestion to offer you. How about you get out of my thread and take your snide approach somewhere else? The likes of butthurt you display over me not agreeing with you i have not seen in a long time. Amazing.

take your pick of any that dont use that word nor wickedness:

biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm

If God/Christ bore ANY culpability then the entire Gospel disintegrates and becomes meaningless for then Christ would not have been a pure and innocent, perfect sacrifice

why you must be such a bitter spiteful hateful insulting and condescending piece of shit?

Serious question : Are you not of the awareness that the old testament is a literal copy/pasta of jewish text? If so, how exactly do you claim that they are somehow wrong and misguided if half your dam book and the core of your religions theology is based on it? Also, how does someone come after an original author, copy his shit, mistranslate it, and argue :
> nah, I got it right .. the other guy was wrong?
You're so blue pilled and wet behind the ears, its hilarious. What's funny is, I used to be just like you and this inquiry that you seem stuck on was what caused me to break out from this mind diseased infantile theological man made concoction. Nothing ever seemed right or sound about the tales of Lucifer/Devil/Satan. I researched it and had heated discussions with theologians. Ultimately it kept coming right back to the very thing you're stuck on : THE THEOLOGY AND STORY ARE FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED AND IT IS BECAUSE MAN NOT GOD MADE IT UP.

Hello?

>Are you not of the awareness that the old testament is a literal copy/pasta of jewish text?

red herring

>If so, how exactly do you claim that they are somehow wrong and misguided if half your dam book and the core of your religions theology is based on it?

link to post where that was claimed
i.e. where it was claimed the TEXT was wrong and not the people

> Also, how does someone come after an original author, copy his shit, mistranslate it, and argue :

who did this?
the dead sea scrolls show significantly better than 99% similarity to todays translations of the original jewish books of the Bible

>You're so blue pilled and wet behind the ears, its hilarious. What's funny is,

you are a fucking asshole oxygen thief, see:
>I used to be just like you and this inquiry that you seem stuck on was what caused me to break out from this mind diseased infantile theological man made concoction.

OK bud, we will take your for it

>Nothing ever seemed right or sound about the tales of Lucifer/Devil/Satan.

to who?
sophistry.

>I researched it and had heated discussions with theologians.

so?

> THE THEOLOGY AND STORY ARE FUNDAMENTALLY FLAWED AND IT IS BECAUSE MAN NOT GOD MADE IT UP.

good luck with that
care to substantiate such a grand claim?

this thread is now
>/lg/ LEGO general

post MOCs and shit on Star Wars

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Look buddy. If you wanted to have an actual conversation you should have started out more nicely. You didn´t. Try again sometime. I´m all ears for arguments but you´re just being a straight up idiot. And i have enough self respect to not entertain you. Nor are you even giving a shit of the topic but just peddling this kind of thing where only if you understand and read/write fluent hebrew should you even be allowed to discuss anything in the bible. You´re an idiot and you pale in comparison to how intelligent i am, that i can say for certain. I can almost guarantee you that i know more about what the bible says, and also for that matter what the qu´ran and hadiths and sirat say, than you do. The talmudic books are a joke and do not interest me much. However if you are interested. You could link some talmudic reading links so that i can pierce through them. I am an obsessive reader so it will not take long. But if you don´t have anything to say about the cherub and arguing about that substantially then i don´t really care what you have to say. Talk about the cherub/satan or get lost.

Why are these two plebs in my thread.. God damnit. One only talks about how i need to learn hebrew, the other makes paragraphs with nearly 2 lines between them.

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>biblehub.com/isaiah/45-7.htm
So, which version of the bible are you going by? Are you discounting what 'darkness' vs light is in the dichotomy of good/evil? Light and darkness are present in all interps. I suggest you zero in on KJV and not the new age bullshit. From there, of course the obvious strikes you :
> If God/Christ bore ANY culpability then the entire Gospel disintegrates and becomes meaningless for then Christ would not have been a pure and innocent, perfect sacrifice
And yet again we are at one of many contradictions, or so it would appear, in the bible striking at the very issues found in the core theology. The question is, how does an infantile mind resolve this contradiction. For you, you decide just come up w/ a new childish definition of older text and claim : Nah, that's not what was said or meant. This is the infantile spirit who doesn't want to go any deeper in theology. Hilariously, the jews go into great detail about the obvious conflict and resolve it in sensible terms. Yet, the infantile christ cuck wants to believe the jews are evil and so is their text/interp. Meanwhile ignoring the contradiction of 1/2 the bible being based on their text.

Its this schizophrenic infantile behavior that makes you a christ cuck. Some christians are based. However, there are large numbers of judgemental christ cucks who know fuck all about the theology that also try to assert they do... and it always centers on some childish : GOOD VS LE EVIL interp. Of course, you're good and everyone else is bad and going to hell.

Yeah, OK Kid. I suggest you get further acquainted with the Lucifer story. According to your text, he will be the one testifying against you in the end of days. He after-all, knows all of your tricks and created all your sins or so your theological interp has you believe. Feel free to prove anything I've said wrong w/ sound supports... Lets see the grand depth of your theological understanding

>formatting make me mad! grrrr!!

grow up

and re-read:
ask a specific question(s)

When you get blown the fuck out, try not suggesting its because I'm a spiteful piece of shit. Instead, find far better supports that blow me the fuck out. As for why I'm using the language I am, it's because you have an infantile understanding of the bible and Christian theology yet arrogantly believe you're in the right by declaring I'm a spiteful/hateful/evil soul..

You make it hard for everyone to follow what you are saying, and you´re arguing with this idiot aswell. But go ahead, nothing i can say will stop you anyways clearly.

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>So, which version of the bible are you going by?

i told
almost any that doesnt use the word "evil" nor "wickedness" in that key spot

I prefer NKJV

>And yet again we are at one of many contradictions, or so it would appear,

for unbelieving minds anyway

>The question is, how does an infantile mind resolve this contradiction.

again:
> For you, you decide just come up w/ a new childish definition of older text and claim

it all depends on if the translator properly understands the original text

>Nah, that's not what was said or meant.

i showed the veracity of the entire Word of God is contingent on what words that verse use

>This is the infantile spirit who doesn't want to go any deeper in theology.

i dont recall saying I dont want to go deeper
in fact i desire to go deeper in learning for all eternity spent understanding Him better

>Hilariously, the jews go into great detail about the obvious conflict and resolve it in sensible terms.

and?

>Yet, the infantile christ cuck wants to believe the jews are evil and so is their text/interp.

confirmed for mad as fuck
why you mad though?

>Meanwhile ignoring the contradiction of 1/2 the bible being based on their text.

you clearly have not accepted Christ and approach the Bible from an entirely unrepentant, unbelieving mind/soul

>Its this schizophrenic infantile behavior that makes you a christ cuck.

try relaxing bud

>However, there are large numbers of judgemental christ cucks who know fuck all about the theology that also try to assert they do... and it always centers on some childish :

sorry your highness :(

>Of course, you're good and everyone else is bad and going to hell.

uh, i dont know who in this thread has claimed any such thing
i at least am not one of those sort

>Yeah, OK Kid.

yes, dad?

>he will be the one testifying against you in the end of days.

amazing
now provide chapter and verse

Supervisor taking over here. I am going to make executive decision and interject some actual content/meat into this discussion: This is from ezekiel 28
13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire
15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
This makes it clear the cherub was in the garden of god aka he is the serpent but only metaphorically, because a serpent strikes unawares. Discuss what that means.

part 2 of 2:

>He after-all, knows all of your tricks and created all your sins or so your theological interp has you believe

He is the origin of all sin, but not the author of every last SPECIFIC sin

unless you have chapter and verse to contradict this

> Feel free to prove anything I've said wrong w/ sound supports...

ah yes, as youve demonstrated many time in this thread, you are wholly open to proof by facts and willing to concede when you are wrong...

oh wait.

>Lets see the grand depth of your theological understanding

well gee, your highness, lemme give it a shot

Satan fucking hates us with a passion you can't imagine, literally want us all dead no joke,no thought,his whole mentality is hide the fact that Hell was made as a mega torture-chamber for non-human beings. Hell was not made for mankind, but for devilkind. Hell was formed for demonic entities (Matthew 25:41).We are sending ourselves to Hell because we are too prideful to do what GOD told is to do even if for a second.Believe.

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im sure that with a rabid ego in the driver seat, that ANYONE is going to convince you of anything you dont already hold to be true

every post of yours here is white knuckled, insulting, boiling-blood ranting and raving about how far above us you are and how fucking stupid we are

but yeah, lets waste a bunch of posts and time trying to convince you of jack shit

>You make it hard for everyone to follow what you are saying

no it doesnt
its plain text right in front of you

Here´s another, director override.
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
16 They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
17 That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
18 All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.
19 But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.
And for the guy who thinks that i don´t know anything of hebrew just because i do not speak it fluently. You should go look up what lucifer says in the hebrew. Heylal bin sahar/saharon. Star/brightness of the crescent. Crescent and star. You could have lead with that if you wanted to school me with hebrew. Atleast it would have been relevant.

he possessed the serpent in the garden
he was fully in control of it

and i am fully awareof the rest of the verses

Gehenna doesnt exist yet,the lake of fire's entire existence to its end is described in Revelation 20:9

>he possessed the serpent in the garden
he was fully in control of it
>and i am fully awareof the rest of the verses
Ok well now we are atleast talking about it instead of you two meatheads arguing with eachother over nothing.

A rabbi and a dimwitted leftist making spaced paragraph set down and had dinner and spewed at eachother and then had a gay wedding discovering that they were in love. Whilst the rest of mankind figured out everything you never though of. Never underestimate the intelligence of your audience.

In summary, you don't have a depth of theological understanding and thus prefer infantile new age interps of the bible (theological texts). This is essentially the evolution of religion by self admission.
Christianity is rooted in Judiasm. Judiasm reconciled this issue plainly and in an easily digestible interp. Then came the 2nd stage of telephone where it was dumbed down and then the 3rd stage. Now, in modern times, people even water down Christianity into an alphabet soup of denominations.
In all of your replies to me, you aren't voicing a single thing that contributes to deeper understanding. I'm mad, spiteful, an unbeliever, etc and somehow I remain composed enough to blow your childish theological understanding out of the water.

> amazingnow provide chapter and verse
You wanted NKJV correct?

Revelation 12:10 New King James Version (NKJV)
10 Then I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night, has been cast down.
> for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night
> for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night

There's more to this story than you can ever imagine. I suggest you tone down your conviction and into deeper understanding.

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now youre as bitter and mad as fuck as this other clown

No i just find it funny. I really do. But i bet you´re having a blast, knock yourself out.

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Look how these two assholes ignore ezekiel 28 and isaiah 14. This idiot rabbi is even dabbling in revelations now.

ok your highness

>various fallacies

*ad hom
*holier than thou
*appeal to authority
*appeal to ridicule
*red herrings

et al

>etc and somehow I remain composed enough to blow your childish theological understanding out of the water.

ah yes youve certainly remained quite compassed in all of your insults and personal attacks, swearing and raving and handwavium, indeed!

seriously, imbecile.

>for the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and night

yes, and?
is it comfy from the top of that imaginary pedestal?

If you truly had such knowledge you would not be padding and puffing your statements with curse words and insults and condescension.

You are a bloviating blowhard white-knuckled egotist

stay mad, bud

>condescending
>third person mocking
>dimwitted
>fags!
>ur dumb, the rest of us will figure it out

absolutely, quite clear your entirely above it all
yep, not pissed at all
evidenced by that post

youtube.com/watch?v=8lgMtzDheQ0
another gem from tron, with clu adressing his army and why to follow him in war with his god flynn. How flynn betrayed clu for no longer being interested in making the perfect system.

You figured me out. Guilty as charged.

> unless you have chapter and verse to contradict this
I'll remind you of definitions instead...
> origin -> originate
create or initiate (something).
> author
More broadly defined, an author is "the person who originated or gave existence to anything"

I suggest you be careful with the slanderous terms you attempt to project on others for they be of your own mind/origination.
My comments remain. The jewish text actual was the original and sound theological interpretation for Abrahamic religion. It preceded the machinations that came after-wards and has a much more sound theological framework. As such and logically, this sound framework was deconstructed and repurposed in a flawed manner and is the root as to why there are so many contradictions in the bible about lucifer/satan/devil. This is the doing of man not God for there is no confusion in God.

I actually enjoyed this. Thank you.