They are now illegally confiscating guns from veterans and others who have been diagnosed with mental health issues. Not surprisingly, this is starting on the west coast and up for vote in 30 states. All a family member has to do is report that you are a threat to people around you and a judge can have cops come and remove your firearms.
>foxnews.com
>hurrr the cops are on our side.
Spread this shit now.
Bump
Double bumpu
>not even any due process
Thanks Trump.
Dude please help me bump this shit
Well I think they're confiscating them because of the whole mental illness thing. Veterans aren't infallible, retard.
>mental illness
Which can easily be broadened to include Thoughtcrime.
It’s so easy to spot share blue talking points. No one said that veterans are infallible. But now any vet that’s sought mental health treatment or anyone for that matter who is depressed or was on some sort of psychotropic drug will have their guns removed if a family member says they are a threat without actually having committed a crime. They are removing a person’s rights on conjecture
Can we confiscate guns from police if they're deemed a threat?
So, okay, this is bad, but, what about links about where we can do stuff/actually write to our reps?
It's good to bring information/Understanding about the issue, but, if there's no ideas on how we can have our voices heard - that's won't do us any good.
>confiscating guns from veterans and others who have been diagnosed with mental health issues
I have yet to see an issue with this. These are mentally ill people, not law abiding citizens. Mentally ill people shouldn't not be allowed to own firearms
Needs to be an agreed-upon definition of (((mentally ill))).
Well you see, that's kind of the problem with trying to prevent massacres. You kinda have to act in advance, at least until the day someone figures out where Obama's hidden that time machine of his.
You can stop voting for anyone with "tough on crime" as part of their platform. That'd be a start at least.
It’s so easy to detect either women or effeminate democratic share blue males. You guys type like total faggots. Also Nice Obama non sequitur. Sorry that your king is out of office and you have to suffer under Trump. Sorry but everyone sees through it you scum bags are trying to do and no one is going to go along with that shit in the long term and in non-cuckold states
I'm a masshole and my step mother reported me a threat saying I'm a zoophile, going to do a mass killing, and am building guns illegally. I do jerk it to pony porn but I am not going to kill people and I'm not building any firearms.
Will this fuck up my chances of getting an FID card (I already applied just waiting) and do the police just accept these at face value or do they investigate the claims.
The one year seizures require a court hearing where you appear to confront your acuser, whoust supply court admissal email evidence and testimony against you in front of a judge. The ex-parte 2 week seizures and probably restraining orders are horse shit, in my opinion.
> McKenzie had been acting strange, glaring at customers of a pizza restaurant while carrying his handgun. He now agrees with the firearm seizure. “I’m grateful that the police got the gun away from me,” McKenzie told Fox News.
What I don't understand is, if he can see his behavior is a problem, why didn't he seek treatment before it got to this point?
Are you legitimately retarded?
feral or anthro
Ad hominem doesn’t work - where is your argument
I don't understand how you faggots get into super fringe degenerate porn like that while living with your parents and think that nobody is gonna be upset about it.
This shit is why you MOVE THE FUCK OUT, and if you were underage and watching that shit you should've been sent to a therapist when she found out.
Feral my nigga.
>that's kind of the problem with trying to prevent massacres.
why waste time trying to prevent statistically insignificant events
Except there is no court day, it's just someone's opinion that you're dangerous. It could easily abused
Can black angst be ruled a mental illness? Cause that might actually solve solve some problems!
Kek, she moved out though, and someone's porn preference doesn't immediately make someone a school shooter.
I guess we should stop all research on rare diseases and stop funding our counterterrorism forces then
This is exactly the issue. It can range from anywhere from somewhat severe shit like schizophrenia or sociopathy to depression, temporary Paranoia or ADHD. Who determines that and why do they have a say to your rights?
>Who determines that and why do they have a say to your rights?
A judge. Neither Cali or Washington require testimony from a psychiatrist to issue a GRVO.
From the laws in place, a family member or cop has to file, and a judge has to be convinced you're an immediate threat to yourself or others. Your aunt's testimony is meaningless without evidence (might wanna delete your 8TB of horse pussy though).
So that’s even worse because there is no professional psychology input. Judges almost never turn down warrants. See the fisa courts- only .02% got turned down over the years
The intent is more specifically directed at suicidal individuals,
>McKenzie had been acting strange, glaring at customers
Say good bye to your guns Jow Forums
>w-we're just trying to take guns away from suicidal people
>OH MY GOD YOU FUCKING WEIRDO HOW DARE YOU GET OFF TO MLP PORN I'M CALLING THE COPS TO TAKE YOUR GUNS AWAY
everyone with a fucking brain knows you're not actual Jow Forumsommandos.
>I do jerk it to pony porn
You deserve not just to have your guns seized, but be executed by government agents.
Those things aren’t even comparable
You don’t belong here bitch boy
leave this place before you can’t leave
Is this real because it's fox news and I remember this same freakout from like 10 years ago when Obama got elected and it turned out that nothing ever happened despite what "news" and silly facebook pages said
They are though, you're more likely to die in a car crash than to be killed in a terroristic attack
That upsets you?
Real Jow Forumsommandos are sissy maids
better leave before you get turned into a degenerate too
There will be a lot more 30-06 gunshot wounds in the coming months i imagine
>caring this much about what people fap to
>wanting big daddy government to kill people for thought crimes
Fuck off shill.
I know I’m a degenerate.
>pic is a trap
She’s has a nice ass. Also like soft boys like pic related.
edgy
Forgot pic
>why didn't he seek treatment before it got to this point?
Stigma
Vets are either conditioned to ignore issues, or go and get as many fucking pills as the VA/whoever will give them.
My dad died and I went through a divorce, talked to a USAF chaplain and he referred me to a doc who tried to give me three different anti-depressant meds to take simultaneously.
>Judges almost never turn down warrants.
Depends where you are. Here in King County warrants for white people get approved always. But when I'm trying to get a warrant for someone brown, suddenly there's some mitigating factor.
And I'm unusually thorough as fuck because even after 10 years I'm still a fanatic about due process and constitutional rights.
thick
and not in a good way
You haven’t seen his bussy.
No Lewds on k though,
>a family member has to do is report
And that's how its done. Make idiots paranoid via CNN and then do this. Interesting they are disarming the veterans first though
We #BackTheBlue here, so don't own guns to kill our finest Americans in uniform.
Fuck that and fuck you, bootlicking anti white Marxist.
>marxists
>backtheblue
choose one
Jow Forums is full of bootlickers who love when cops shoot subjects, where the fuck have you been? A *huge* portion of the gun owning community are bootlickers.
>tfw gun owning trap
Guess what the police do to pro white right wing speakers or protests, either they don’t protect them or they actively help suppress them. Police in Europe and Australia also carry out the hate speech laws bullshit and in America they do the confiscations. They also regularly shoot innocents or arrest them for mouthing or some other bullshit, asset seizure too, aka theft. They also enforce the various unconstitutional laws.
They lazy power hungry retards that become police officers to get off on the power, the benefits and the reasonably good pay without putting in much effort.
They don’t even protect people against niggers rioting and if I shoot dindu rioters they’ll come and arrest me for doing their job.
Fuck off.
BUSSY AND HORMONE TITS OR GTFO!
and your mother was obviously a bit crazy when she didn't drown you as a puppy, so lets take her right to vote and travel freely while we're at it
Nice deflection
They're not Marxists you politically illiterate moron. They're there to protect the ruling class and their property. They're going to shut you down or push for laws that do if they think you're a threat. This goes for various forms of Leftism that aren't Neo-Liberalism and this goes for your third positionist faggotry as well, Jow Forums.
This a SHITPOST...
>mental health issues
>"yeah, give them guns!"
And the ruling class aren’t Marxists or at the very least don’t advocate it?
Oh ok, sorry, they’re not Marxists, they’re just low iq zogbot Marxist enforcers. Great distinction.
Except my faggotry would actually benefit the nation and my people, not some third world spics or some kike plutocrat or some white elite plutocrat.
>Guns are removed for one year, but there is due process. Only family, roommates and police can petition the court for the civil order. The burden of proof is on the petitioner. A judge determines if the person is a danger to himself or others. If the order is issued, the guns can be seized immediately, but the gun owner gets to make his or her case in court within two weeks.
So it's up to the courts to decide to have the guns taken in the first place, you're guaranteed your day in court quite promptly if you disagree, and even if you don't you'll still get your guns back after a year.
For the legal system that gave us asset forfeiture that's about as far from outright confiscation as it could get.
>Interesting they are disarming the veterans first though
Not really. It's just that the gun-botherers also tend to worship veterans, so you hit them with "Think of the vets!" like you'd hit soccer moms with "Think of the kids!".
What Marxism do they advocate? Have you read any Marxism, ever? They're at best revisionist and that's being extremely generous.
Nationalism is a spook, but have fun with the most cucked ideology in existence.
>So it's up to the courts to decide to have the guns taken in the first place, you're guaranteed your day in court quite promptly if you disagree, and even if you don't you'll still get your guns back after a year.
do you actually think allowing roommates and family the power to take your guns away is a good idea?
>marxism
>in the US
Lmao
Good thing I never went to behavioral health while I was still in the army.
>stop all research on rare diseases
unironically ok with this. big fish first
>stop funding couterterrorism forces
prove the opportunity cost
see, with guns you can say X crimes are prevented, Y crimes are committed, therefore guns have a cost or benefit numerically X-Y = Z. australia is now realizing that Z is larger than 0 and getting rid of guns didn't benefit them
saying you should stop funding couterterrorism requires you to prove that the amount of terrorism they have stopped is lesser than the benefit of what else that funding could've done. that's a tough sell, but feel free to get on it.
lets try an example: a person who thinks as you do about government powers but not as you do about the ideal form of government might say:
socialism is demonstrated through history to have failed in every single instance. if you are pushing socialism now, you are literally textbook crazy and you should have your first amendment rights suspended
now you lost your right to free speech because you're "crazy". further, because you are preaching a failed ideology that was practiced by dictators who killed millions (stalin, pol pot, etc) you are a "danger to others" so now you don't have the right to free assembly either
> Those are mentally ill people, not law abiding citizens
> People with mental illnesses are criminals
>underrated
>unironically ok with this. big fish first
DEmocracy is not the tyranny of the majority. What if that lone guy was your son?
It's not only funding (which is huge) but also restrictions on personal freedom and gives the gov an excuse to wiretap, imprison and torture in the name of counterterrorism. It's a pretty big deal if you ask me
>Trump is responsible for the actions of a city
The first rule of diagnosis is medication, that's why doctors always want to put you on meds when you report problems to them because they want to see what you respond to and what you don't so they can narrow down a treatment
Ha. He thinks they are stopping at this.
They are coming for all your guns.
Sane or insane.
ya went and did it.
fuck republicans in all levels of government.
I have no problems with this. If they have shown a history of self-harm, and or psychotic behavior fuck em take their guns.
You going to actually post an argument?
>“I’m grateful that the police got the gun away from me,” McKenzie told Fox News.
False Flag actor
-t. veteran
Come try to seize my shit. I swore an oath to uphold the constitution. That includes parts about Illegal search and seizure and the 2A
This
I knew them "combat stress councilor" fuckers were out to get us.
In your idealistic little world it stops at psychos and suicidal folks, but in the REAL world it won't and a lot of people will be unjustly disarmed for "reasons". I'd be willing to bet with in a years time we will be hearing horror stories about this exact situation.
What kind of shit is this? What part of "shall not be infringed" is unclear to you?
This. Anyone can think you're a threat for any reason. Think about all the actually loony people who think you're going to rape their family and kill their dog just because of what haircut you have or shirt you wear. Oh no, you voted for Trump? Guess that means you're gonna shoot up my house because I voted Hillary. What's that, you have X gun Youtube blogger on your watch list? Bet he's gonna slaughter a school!
And that's just the people who are legitimately insane and believe in that sort of crap. We're not even talking about the dishonest jackasses with an agenda. I remember when I got an AK and my mother came into my home and saw it she no shit legit asked me if I was gonna shoot up a school. I chuckled at it until I realized she was serious and told her to get the fuck out of my house. This is all it takes to have your basic human rights taken away. If people can't see the flaw in it now then they never will.
Pretty much this.
Think where this leads and the shitstorm a soccer mom could bring down on you once they learn they can just drop a dime and make you life a living hell.
Fuck that.
This is why I hate people.
Just leave me the fuck alone.
I understand that the government can deem anyone a threat just to take away guns from people, but when a kid has the cops come to his 39 times, and then the FBI can to his house a tip about a threat to shoot up a school, something should have been done.
You post on Jow Forums, and have pictures of men holding guns to innocent dogs' heads.
You sound like a nut job user. I need to make a phone call.
Please don't user, I'm a gud boi I dindu nuffin.
this sounds like it isnt a gun control issue so much as an extension of americans being trash who all need to get gassed and bombed
I honestly still want to know why they didnt follow up.
And in the civilized world we don’t allow every moron to get their hands on a gun, and instead put restrictions on them.
Don't worry user, after we drag you down to court to defend yourself and thrust you into the public eye as a "psycho vet", despite never breaking a law, you may return to your quiet life.
Oops. Now the soccer moms want you fired from your job and run out of town. Sorry, my bad!
I wonder why they didn't get a judge to sign a warrant to put him in a mental asylum. Based on everything the kid did I should be easy to get a warrant.
>"I'm glad they came and took my guns away"
Because it's a false flag
You bastard
That's the absolute perfect thiccness, you fag
Why does your mom know what kind of porn you watch?
What does "I'm glad they came and took my guns away" have to do with law enforcement not doing their job to stop Nicolas Cruz from shooting up a school, when they knew the cops came to his house 39 times, and the FBI had a tip from a guy who said Nicolas Cruz was going to shoot up the school. How about telling the cops to enforce the laws we already have.
The government is not reliable- period. They are not sufficient in preventing issues such as this. Even if that red flag legislation had been passed PRIOR to the Parkland shooting, they would not have followed up- they didn't after all those complaints of that boy.
The government is not sufficient enough to protect its citizens in this aspect as well as many others. this can also be added to one of the plethora reasons why gun control is unnecessary and harmful. We need to protect ourselves
That's my point. The sheriff of the county (Scott Isreal) was complaining about how AR-15s and other evil "(assault weapons", but they don't want to talk about how his deputies failed to do their job; I'm not just talking about not getting a warrant to throw the little shit in a mental asylum, but also how the cops didn't enter the school to stop him.