Hey guys I'm not usually on this board but I wanted to investigate and really Iook into something that bothers me. What does Jow Forums think of all the gay Jews and the Slavs in the Alt Right? How do you feel about the presence of American Slavs in a movement that I honestly expected to really hate them. I mean between the screaming O face guy from Nevada to that middle school teacher in Florida, what's with all the Eastern Europeans?
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define alt right
The right wing ethnonationalist populist movement calling for more secure borders and an eventual removal, peaceful or otherwise, of non-whites. I'm primarily referring to sperglord white supremacists carrying tiki torches and am wondering why so many of them are Slavic and why their presence is tolerated in the movement.
The reason they are tolerated is because alt right is a category, not an organization.
You defined the group as a way of thinking. "People calling for removal of nonwhites"
How could anyone possibly prevent them from calling for such a thing?
Because their whiteness is both a recent idea and incredibly questionable. The white nationalist movements that the modern white supremacist movements are based on openly and literally called for the execution of Slavs. For fucks sake Hitler hated them.
>Because their whiteness is both a recent idea and incredibly questionable.
They have freedom of speech though. How could someone prevent them from speaking their mind about removing blacks?
That's their right to say those things. You're the one associating those people with everyone else who calls for the removal of blacks.
You're talking about free speech like it means anything. I'm only saying that I kind of figured that there would be a stronger call for greater purity in the movement. It's almost like letting gay Jews into the movem-
Fuck. I forgot about Milo.
Freedom of speech is the essence of whiteness
You need to give me an example of how you would want to stop these people from speaking their minds.
You think the true whites should go around attacking other ethnonationalists? Sounds like something a nigger would think of.
the alt-right is fucking stupid and it does not in any way represent national socialists and fascism
I'm not saying to stop them, I just find it preposterous that they're active in the movement. Like sure they can stay but why? It just seems kind of cucky. Logical conclusion, wouldn't the goosesteppers come for them too?
Alright so I gotta ask if you're a national socialist or a fascist and what you believe should be done with Slavic ethnonationalists.
>The white nationalist movements that the modern white supremacist movements are based on openly and literally called for the execution of Slavs. For fucks sake Hitler hated them.
Nazis weren't white nationalists. Obviously, if they wanted to genocide and enslave slavs and succeeded to an extent, they were not white naitonalists.
Everybody knows who white people are. Just because there are different definitions of who is and isnt white it doesnt mean that there isn't a right definition. Obviously it makes no sense to exclude slavs from being white, and not people who look exactly like them.
So how would you define whiteness, when it has historically been a very fluid identity?
What's an objective identifier for whiteness at this point?
I Slav and I am white. I dont see any problem with it.
Like sure they can stay but why?
Because more people fighting for our cause is better.
The better question is: Why would we expend the energy to stop them?
I support blacks who support a black separatist movement as well. Anyone calling for a separation is my ally.
So ultimately it boils down to the fact that you believe in ethnonationalists lines being drawn, even if peacefully and mutually agreed upon, at least in your specific case.
This begs the next question. In your ideal ethnostate, would you keep the Slavs? If not, what would you do with the ones that would want to stay?
>So ultimately it boils down to the fact that you believe in ethnonationalists lines being drawn, even if peacefully and mutually agreed upon, at least in your specific case.
Yes, I think most ethnonationalists would be happier with that.
>would you keep the Slavs?
In america? Yea. I think we should take all the white skin people... even if they aren't western european. That is the original concept that america was founded on, after all.
If i were in europe, I would want british to stay in britian, french to stay in france, etc.
Nazi Germany, keywords Nazi, and Germany, =/= the 201X AD alt right.
Post WW1 Germany's desire to rearm and expand into Slav territories, really has fuck all to do with anything currently happening, imo.
Yes Hitler et. al. wanted a German Germany, not a "white" Germany. The Soviets were a threat at the time, the Soviets were by and large, Slavs. Therefore the result was fuck slavs they're not humans or caucasians and that was the following line of thought of the time. So... what? That doesn't mean anything to me. I like now in 2018. It's a scientifically wrong statement, it was propaganda to motivate the taking of territory from Slavs, and imo the whole "kill all deh Slavs meme" only pushed the entire stain and region more solidly into marxist communist bullshit. Same as german chauvinism turned the anglosphere into our multicultural dickery, when really most all the other euro states at the time involved in the war were soft ethnostates just the same as the Germans.
It was good for 1930's Nazi Germany. It is not pertinent to me. I feel the anti-slav stuff should be dropped mostly. Aside some Pollacks being an economic p.i.t.a. for some brits and such, Slavs are by far, far less of a concern than third world mestizos, semites and negros. I'm not threatened by Poles and Serbs and Hungarians and Russians ect. wanting a respective ethnostate. Slavs in Slav countries are fine where they are. I'm more concerned with Mestizos in North America, Asians in Australia/Canada, and Muslims/North Africans in Europe, infiltrating the western world at large. If a Slav shares the same opinion, I see no reason not to act with them. Yes, even if Great Granddaddy Adolf wanted his living space once decades ago.
I'm anglo and an American tho so... your opinions may differ.
And what about light skinned Arabs, Near Easterners, or East Asians? Skin tone varies highly even for the same person but many are naturally incredibly light skinned and pale. In the case of the former two, we have a very long tradition of Arab immigration to the States and subsequent assimilation, especially from the Levant.
See that's what confuses me. I'm from the Pacific Northwest and at least for us Slavs are much more likely to commit crimes and engage in racketeering, violence, and chaos than any other immigrant group. Their open drug use, degeneracy, and vandalism is recognized as a massive problem.
>modern white supremacist movements are based on
that's not "alt-right" and that's not Jow Forums
your foundation is flawed as fuck
Naw. Ideally, they can fuck off. It's not about the skin color really, it's about the racial brotherhood. It's obvious that arabs/east asians are not the same people as whites.
I'm willing to compromise though if that's necessary to move in the direction I want. If i can cut out the mexicans and africans by making a deal with chinks and arabs, I will take that as a non-ideal solution.
You're right, I'm starting to see a heavy separation from earlier ethnonationalists movements.
I mean Hitler aligned with the Japanese.
That said, fun fact. Arabs are white according to the United States census.
That's the semitic influence on our government.
We don't care about race, that's a leftist thing
If you're traditionalist and conservative you're alright
Just don't race mix though because that's wrong for any race to do
The japanese can stay in japan. As I said, I will ally with them if that's necessary, but I would prefer to just have the white people.
Please my white brethren assemble. I have tiki torches for everyone in multiple colors. If you want to bedazzle your name on your torch you NEED to tell me beforehand.
Ngl I'm fucking crying right now
lol I laugh every time I see this guy toted as our "leader"
'Avin a proper laugh that is
My actual fucking sides
How many of these self-proclaimed slavs atually speak any slavic at all? Having a great-great-great-grandmother who got raped by a German doesn't count.
His hair is like a q tip.God I hate this is what people think ehtno-nationalist are like.
>bedazzle your name on your torch
ABSOLUTELY GLORIOUS
As part of their world domination Jews are in every political movement. Hitler even got his master race outlook from hanging out with his many Jewish relatives.
So Milo Yiannopoulos is an agent of the globalists?
The alt-right aka the alt-kike doesn't even exists. Nice try, glowie.
Of course it's in the best interest of the leftist establishment to boost that faggot Spencer, who somehow always manages to end humiliated at his own events and his followers arrested, almost.... like he does it on purpose.
What's with the "leaders" being Jewish? Why isn't that called out more?
Sorry man, I know it sounds appealing to stay some anonymous ethereal mysterious force forever but that isnt how human beimgs work. We name and categorize things. If someone wants to paint someone as a nazi, theyll call them a nazi. The ethnocentric, reactionary movement is increasingly clear and tangible, the idea that it could engage in things as high-profile as national elections and not have anyone refer to it is just absolutely silly. The name alt-right was floating around for years before Clinton or you resditors heard about it and decided that it must be an attack made up by CNN in 2016. If you dont like the name alt-right, thats fair enough, I dont love it either. But there is going to be a name, one way or the other.
Top butthurt right here
>"we are not alt right"
and then
>"spencer is not our leader"
No shit, you are not alt-right, how can he be?
>"muh leftist establisment"
Doesn't talk about him at all lately, it is only you "NOT ALT RIGHT!!!" spergs who do.
You are doing the leftists job for them. Keep it up.
That's what I'm asking!
Slavs are part of the white category, and are European. Theyre distinct from NW europeans but we still have a hell of a lot more in common with them than with any non-European group. Once upon a time the US tried to focus on northwestern european immigration but those days are long gone. At 56% white, Americans cant afford any needless comlfict between ethnic europeans.
>white supremacist movement
Do those even exist?
>white nationalist movements
Hitler wasnt a white nationalist. Homogenous white countries and ethno, racial conciousness existed long before WW2.
But at what cost? Their degeneracy is worse than anyone from South of the Border or South of the Mediterranean.
Why does a mid 20th century central european border war mean so much to you?
Ethnic Europeans. Easily seen on a visualized graph of genetic groupings, the "white" cluster is pretty clear and distinct. Some groups around the edges can be said to be mixed whites.
See now that's an answer.
And since we are playing the screenshot game, I might as well get back into it for this occasion.
Here are the earliest archved results there are,
as 4plebs was established only in 2013 - and the Alt-Right is being mentioned there already from the get go
Skin tone isnt particularly relevant, it changes if you sit in the sun for 30 minutes. When we use terms like "white" or "black", we arent literslly referring to color, but rather usijg crude umbrella terms to reference human popularions with distinct local variances. Skin tone is simply one of the fastest and easiest transmitters of information. A sub-saharan african albino has white skin; they are not "white".
We can see from the plethora of cases exibited in racislly pluralistic countries that arabs, east asians, and ethnic europeans do not naturslly view eachother as part of their genetic in-group.
That being said, wanting a secure territory or nation to promote the interests of your tribe doesnt rewuire 100% homogeneity; Japan is a highly succesful ethnostate but still has non-Japanese residing there, as do China and South Korea. Even if the US were to somehow become 90 or 95% white, that would still leave room for millions and millions of non-whites to live there.
>but still has non-Japanese residing there
A non-argument. They consist of but a tiny sliver of a minority.
No, that is false. Crime rates in the Pacific NW largely mirror the rest of the countey in racisl breakdown; there is nowhere in the Pacific Northwest where whites commit violent crimes at a higher per-capita rate than blacks. Youre going to need to put bit more effort into your divide and conquer attempts.
There was never any significant connection between the "alt-right" phenomenon and earlier ethnonationalist movements.
Because Slavic people aren't separated from whites, their degeneracy is diluted by the genuinely civilized whites.
This isn't divide and conquer. I'm just genuinely against their degeneracy and initially assumed that we had a common enemy and I'm surprised we don't.
I don't understand why you say it's a non-argument.
A tiny sliver is still not 100%. What's your point?
As it should be.
slavs are subhumans and have to go back to africa
Keep on purity testing and expelling people . There will be 11 alt righters left by the end of the year
read turner diaries
This is called photoshop. Considering that a few years ago the sterotype of a white nationalist was "tatooed trailer park meth-head" and now it is "haha that ivy league millionaire talks like a fag", Id ssy what Spencer mamaged to do is nothing short of remarkable.
You are a shill, don't lie.
I gave you the courtesy of giving you honest answers. The least you could do is return the favor.
Spencer has been one of the most hated men in the country for a year and a half, with every leftist journalist picking over his life- yet no major scandals, no dirt. Of course the establishment is against anyone explictly pro-white. Serious question- what have you done?
Anything?
If you are using this as an argument on how minorities are not a problem you are false. Minorities are ALWAYS a problem, and NEVER beneficial to the nation in macro scale.
There arent sny leaders. If you mean well-known figures within the western ethnonationalist sphere are jewish- can you name them?
Um.. let them have their own countries? Just how modern day national socialists desire to maintain their own ethnohomogenous states?
>modern day national socialists
don't exist.
Not on a wide mainstream scale
Individually, yes
Ahh i see. I would say that having a small minority of people from other countries can be beneficial in that it can act as a brain drain on those countries and give yours a competitive advantage.
Take only the smartest and most successful from other countries so that those countries lose resources.
A tiny sliver in a country of 330 million like the US is a lot of people. Worth mentioning- demanding 100% purity here would drive every east asian and mixed person to the other side, where their hugher IQs would help lift them to leadership rolls. Your country is in a better position in this sense.
Not suggesting they are beneficial, just that they can be mostly benign on a very small scale, especially if its a low-crime population.
>Individually
Too bad natsoc doesn't care about no individualism.
>This isn't divide and conquer
Yes, it is; you are posting in bad faith, playing a character and attempting to further an agenda. That was obvious from the start. But thats alright, decent comversation can be found in any thread no matter the intended purpose of the OP.
You do realize that this kind of argumentation could be used to justify the presence of a Jewish minority, right? And we all know how that scenario always plays out after a while.
I mean it sounds to me like you're just trying to justify keeping around a bunch of degenerates for the numbers by making a personal attack.
>hypercollectivist ideology
>on an individual scale
xD
You fool literally nobody with this act. It looks like you're not going to come clean... but i just want you to know... everybody can tell that you aren't part of our ingroup.
Who is keeping who around? Do you mean that the US government was going to deport millions of people of slavic descent and the far-right stopped them?
I mean I said that from the onset that I'm not normally on the board. I never intended to fool anyone. You act like I'm sealioning but I'm genuinely just baffled.
Also, this: No one here is under the impression that anything youve said in this thread is representative of your actual thoughts or beliefs, you dont need to keep playing the character if its getting tiresome.
This
Is it so hard to believe that I just really don't like Slavs?
Definitely a uniquely troublesome case
