One of the biggest arguments for the Second Amendment is the ability to fight against tyranny and an oppressive government. So here's a question for you.
During world war two, Japanese-American citizens were forcibly removed to internment camps by the government.
My question is: Should they have fought back? Would those citizens have been in the right to use firearms to prevent themselves from being placed into camps?
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here's a math problem for you. what percentage of the population was Japanese at the time. and additionally what percentage of those interned were not legal citizens capable of owning firearms due to the oriental exclusion act.
Yes. But the American people lost their balls after the civil war, and have put up with oppression ever since.
They are the problems you get when you bring a 5th column into your country
Do think these people aren't going to have loyalty to their own country if we were at war. Do you not think they would be a security liability. They were deemed security threats. Look into nuclear espionage and see how lots of countries got their technology. This is also one of the reason Jews are so subversive. It's not their country.
Should they have fought back?
If they were in Japan, absolutely yes. Should you fight for your freedom everywhere. Yes. Was the US right to lock them up. Yes.
Yeah they should have desu but they’re weak Asian bug people who do what they’re told. George Takei fucked his first pozhole there!
Fun fact: the underlying mindset behind the Bill of Rights is that you are born with the rights enumerated within it, and the document itself is simply to ensure the government doesn't fuck with your natural rights. The founders believed that everyone should have those rights, even non-citizens. It's only recently (past 100 years) that we've used the vagaries in the wording to deny people freedoms.
Yes they would, it's not like these people would not support Japan and they where put in camps to prevent this, fighting it is just natural. But it would not be very smart since, you know, they would be fighting for Japan is America, the government could just kill them and no one would care because they would be the enemy.
What's against the bill of rights here?
Japanese culture before WWII can't be compared to Japanese culture after WWII.
Only for white landowners. Checkm8.
Yes, they would have, but they meekly submitted instead. Traded liberty just to "go along to get along"
>Should they have fought back?
In the context of WWII, firing at government forces would make them enemy combatants and the government would be justified in killing them.
2A and wedge issues aren't compatible. 2A isn't for when a small group of people are getting shit on. It's for when everyone is getting shit on and we need a whole new government. 2A being fucked with might be it. If it isn't there's no point to having a constitution anymore. We will have lost the ability to enforce it.
For internment, amendment 6. You have the right to know the charges and the right to a trial by a jury of your peers.
For the denial of gun rights to foreign nationals, amendment 2. "The rights of the people shall not be infringed," not the rights of the citizens.
Command over the unorganized militia lies with the state government and then the president. An activation of the unorganized militia under the state to "free" the interned would have just been stopped by the president and possibly reordered to guard duty at the camps.
Conditions at those camps weren't abusive either. They really where about containment to prevent spying. A lot of those camps evolved into small towns since that's essentially how they functioned anyway.
It doesn't fucking matter if conditions were abusive or not (protip: they were. Look up infant mortality rates inside the camps vs outside). What matters is that a huge number of people, many of whom were American citizens, were stripped of all rights for half a decade. They literally had jobs and property and businesses stolen from them. Fuck that garbage.
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Yes they should have fought back. Not only them but other citizens as well who watch as their neighbors and fellow countrymen were subjected to tyranny.
Dont look at it as an example of people who didn't exercise their rights, look at it as an example of what the government will do if they think they can get away with it.
What do you do if the government incrementally shits on everyone though? Or let's say they know it would be a bad idea to shit on everyone at once for the reason you stated, so they progress group by group over a period of time?
Do you also feel that the men who stood in support of Bundy Ranch were not justified, since they were just a small group?
Even if they were armed, they wouldn't have been the only ones. FDR correctly moved Japanese Americans to "camps" guarded by US Army troops for their own protection from other American citizens who wanted them dead. Blame him if you want, but FDR saved those people's lives. Sorry if they weren't interned in fancy hotels and luxury apartments, but there was a war going on at the time. The government did the best it could to protect the Japanese citizens living in the USA.
>Even non citizens
No. Thats stupid and obviously wrong.
The Japanese practiced Bushido and were brainwashed into supreme loyalty to the emperor.
Whatever you say, the idea of a fifth column operating under the protection of constitution in a time of war is insane.
The founders understood that the constitution could never be fully operational during times of war.
Factories were conscripted for war production, gold confiscated, martial law declared, habius corpus suspended,
But the first generation Japanese should have gotten a pass?
Life isnt that simple. People are not good. Look what Jews have done. Without even malicious intent in order to protect their own interests they have brainwashed generations, and destroyed the value systems of entire nations.
Allowing the free operation of foreign elements acting in concert for the destruction of the American Nation is not "constitutional"
Like hur dur we have to let Communists run the media and school system and spread subersive propaganda and teach lies.
Nothing we can do goys its their right!!!!!
You people have all gone mad. Literally mad.
Lol if FDR wanted anti-Japanese sentiment to subside, he should have ordered his state department to stop drawing them as subhumans
State Department? You mean Disney and Dr. Seuss?
You don't know how tyrannies work. Tyranny = a tyrant with a small, armed minority taking over rule. If a tyrant had a majority supporting him, he would just win elections.
In Rome tyrants just had to own a legion or two and take over the center and that was it.
Also, it's the fucking Jews that want to disarm White people. They are literally behind the propaganda.
Jews fear the armed goyim, because the Jews work by inserting themselves into the centers of power, while the goyim could one day wake up start an uprising or respond to a Jew installed tyranny.
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The thinking you argue against is exactly why we are fucked by Islam in Europe
You know Disney was paid for that propaganda, right? By the US Government?
But no, I mean stuff like pic related.
How niave. What a luxery it must be to be so molly coddled.
What Do you think the Japanese would have done if they reached American shores?
Maybe we should have applied constitutional rights to the Japanese nationals we were fighting against. We could have fought and not killed them, then given them a trial by a jury of their peers (other japanese nationals). Who would no doubt practice jury nullification.
Maybe we shouldnt have had an army at all since in depriving our enemies of their lives we ddeprived them of their "human rights."
Certainly we should not have bombed them. Let their factories run, there were probably women and children who were killed. How immoral.
We should have let a wave of tyranny and blood sweep over the globe because little user here thinks being mean to people is the worst thing that can possibly happen in life.
The level of brainwashing you have recieved is unconscionable. Those responsible need to be hung for Treason. Honestly.
Youre pathetic. Youre not even human. Youre a coward, and a brainwashed mind controlled fool.
You are not protecting some human dignity, you are in reality protecting the right of the unscrupulous to abuse you and destroy your life.
Muslims are blowing up little girls and running families over with trucks. Ohhh Vey Goyim, nothing we can do. Freedom of Religion.
But they are litterally grooming, raping, prostituting, and killing 10,000 little girls. Sorry Goyim, Dont be racist. Diversity is our strength.
They litterally killed a Girl and sold her in Kebabs to her fellow countrymen.
Truly I tell you the KKK was never did anything as bad as Muslims have. And yet they were systematically tracked catalogued dismantled and propaganda was actively used agaisnt them.
You are brainwashed dude. Your mind controlled. Snap out of it.
How? He's saying the Bill of Rights applies to citizens and not foreigners or subversive elements within the US. You're allowed to have a similar set of rights in your country as a British citizen if you wanted them, you just wouldn't have them as a foreigner in the US. I would think that line of reasoning would prevent you from getting fucked by Islam right now.
Anyone who brings up Nazi Germany as an example of gun control is an absolute retard. The Jews were illegal citizens in Germany at that time. You wouldn't expect America to allow illegal immigrants to own firearms now would you? Fuck.
They weren't White so no.
So you're agreeing with me.
No the rights only applied to free men. That would only apply to Whites.
Yes they should've fought back, 100%.
This x100
They plan on using the same brainwashing that made Americans and Euros such worthlesss spineless cowards on the muslims.
Theyll run your daughters over for a couple generations. But in a couple after time you'll exist in a state of perpetual cold war and mistrust like we do here in the states.
A state of cowards controlled by an iron hearted state that has stripped its inhabitants of any real humanity. You are cattle. Devoid of the right to think or feel.
And under the full weight of tyranny you will be kept in peace, like the beast of the field. Working for your masters.
First, it's ad hominem to attack a participant instead of their argument. Second, you rely on hyperbole so much here it's kind of funny.
Yes of course we shouldntbe afraid to fight our enemies when necessary. But we also give them trials, as we did in Nuremburg.
Enemy combatants are different than US citizens. You keep talking about a 5th column, but even at the time, FDR said that MAYBE 3% of the interned had the potential to assist the Japanese in some way, and even fewer had the desire. Possible 3% isn't enough to imprison 100,00 people.
The Muslim problem is also CLEARLY didferent. There are absolutely 0 instances of Japanese-American violence perpetrated against Americans, and tge time between declaring war and passing Order 9066 was nearly 3 months, plenty of time for any violent individuals to act.
Then they would have been killed.
While I agree with you the KKK is a meme. If white groups are to form they need a new identity.
>The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it.
United States Constitution Article I section 9
Seems that suspending habeas corpus is completely lawful in times of emergency, so no. Taking up arms against the government who is acting lawfully would be an act of rebellion.
How about you faggots read the constitution before you make stupid threads regarding American politics.
The US segregated some Japanese into special camps and they were actually anti american militant radicals. Did you know that?
That part gets swept under the rug frequently.
They would have been massacred by whites enraged at what their co ethnics had done to the US in a treacherous surprise attack. Functionally as though a fifth column were present.
Or deported forever...
Calm down boomer jew. You'll be dead soon and we will return this country to the ideals of freedom and liberty it was built on.
You are the traitor. To the very ideals this country was built on. I'd strangle you with my bare hands given the chance and feel nothing for you are a roach, a pawn of tyranny and evil.
So what happens when the government starts declaring people "security threats" and starts rounding them up? What criteria us there for a security threat? Should your right to due process be circumvented because you're a "security threat?" Should you fight back?
>One of the biggest arguments for the Second Amendment is the ability to fight against tyranny and an oppressive government.
Take it up with the Ben Shapiro types who make that argument.
Jow Forumsacks who want guns mostly want them for civil-war/race-war.
You will deliver this country to tyrants.
>One of the biggest arguments for the Second Amendment is the ability to fight against tyranny and an oppressive government.
the biggest argument for the 2nd amendment is that if you don't like it you are in the wrong nation
>So what happens when the government starts declaring people "security threats" and starts rounding them up?
Unironically I wish our government would start doing this . We are letting terrorists return from fighting abroad because we don't have cases against them.
In seriousness, the case in the US is different because anybody can become an American. Legally and morally a strong argument can be made to follow the constitution and that the people should fight for their rights.
I fundamentally don't think we should allow foreigners in the country. If they are going to be here then they should face greater scrutiny, especially in times of war. I have no doubt if we were in a war with Pakistan we would also have a front on our own island.
If it was British people then rights and due process should absolutely be maintained. That way of thinking can't exactly translate on American soil.
Everything kinda goes out the window during war especially total war. They are kinda lucky they were treated so well. Look at how the Nips treated British prisoners for example. They also got given 20,000 compensation.