Liberals can grouse all they want that aggrieved American men are flocking to the wrong kind of savior, but that won’t solve the problems those men face.
Can you believe Tucker Carlson, having the temerity to air a segment called “Men in America”? Rachel Dicker, a columnist at Mediaite, certainly can’t. “With each passing week that I watch [the] segment,” writes Dicker, “I wonder more and more what sad and furious planet he descended from to convince his aggrieved audience that they’ve been lied to and put down by The Man, who is definitely A Woman. (And also probably black and gay.)”
Good one. But “convince” seems like the wrong word. After all, the glib elite consensus is that because American men are born with a head start, dominate the upper ranks of the country’s major institutions, and don’t face any particular challenges, life should be easy for us. Do the men who dropped out of high school need to be “convinced” that this isn’t true? What about the men whose friends are suffering from drug addiction, or who are addicted themselves? The men with no job prospects, no social capital, and no hope of finding a life partner? When Carlson pointed out, correctly, in the first entry of the series that American men are increasingly dropping out of school, addicted to drugs, falling out of the job market, committing crimes, and killing themselves, it wasn’t an exercise in persuasion. Carlson’s target audience doesn’t need him to “convince” them that their lives have gone awry; they know it already.
What Carlson was actually doing in “Men in America,” which concluded last week, was offering his version of an explanation of why conditions are dreadful for so many American men.
He blamed a combination of immigration, automation, second-wave feminism, the vilification of traditional masculinity, and certain ill-advised government programs. Reasonable people might find his explanation cynical or demagogic. But that’s beside the point. For whether or not he’s right about the reasons why men are facing hard times, Carlson is surely right that they are. Meanwhile, his critics, in a representative stand-in for polite progressive opinion, were content to mock or deny the existence of this state of affairs rather than take a stab at offering an alternative explanation for its causes.
Which of course is why there’s demand for a “Men in America” series at all. Carlson is making an obvious play for what Elliot Kaufman calls the Jordan Peterson demographic: men in their late teens, twenties, and early thirties who are frustrated with the way their lives are going, often for good reason, and eager for someone to recognize their plight and offer a way out. In fact, Carlson featured Peterson — a professor of psychology at the University of Toronto who has become famous on the back of his YouTube videos, his lectures, and his book 12 Rules for Life — in the first entry in his series. Plenty has been written about the Peterson phenomenon; the writer Park MacDougald describes his message thus:
Life is hard, you will suffer, and in order to handle that suffering, you will have to be prepared. Preparing means taking responsibility for yourself. That’s hard, too, so you may try to avoid it. You may use all manner of evasions and rationalizations to convince yourself that things will sort themselves out on their own, or that others will bail you out, or that if they don’t, it’s their fault and not yours. But that’s a lie. So stop lying. Accept responsibility for your fate.
These lessons might seem obvious, and can be found in texts aplenty written over the last 3,000 years.
Anthony James
Yeah good.
Joshua Jackson
But as MacDougald points out, “Peterson has become a celebrity by telling young people to get their act together, which suggests that there are a lot of them who need to hear it.”
No sooner did Peterson become associated with the political Right than he became a fascist misogynist in the eyes of progressive pundits. Some corners of the Internet mock Peterson for his overweening social-media activity and perpetually high-strung disposition. Yet one of Peterson’s virtues is that he appeals to men who have fallen out of society — those “not in education, employment, or training” — who might otherwise wind up in fringe movements. It was Angela Nagle who, in her book about the Internet culture wars, posited a connection between the “growing celibacy among a large male population,” the “anxiety and anger about their low-ranking status in the hierarchy” that such persistent sexual frustration engenders, and the mushrooming of the so-called alt-right in 2016. Peterson appeals to the same folks, but scorns the identitarian movement that has captured many of them. Some of the 25-year-old college dropouts motivated by Peterson to get their lives together might have otherwise spent their time watching Sargon of Akkad videos or reading The Occidental Observer or buying Mike Cernovich’s brand of nootropics, so to the extent that Peterson’s rise has drained support for cranks, there’s a strong case that in consequentialist terms it has been a good thing.
And, as the dismissive criticisms of Peterson and Carlson show, the Left has little on offer for young men save for a choice between self-abnegation and enduring slurs about sins of the past. Peterson is on to something: They could use a sustained dose of the insights they used to get from tough-minded teachers, coaches, clerics, professors, or drill sergeants. Many of the institutions represented by those stalwart role models, however, have decayed. All the while, the need for sound advice persists
Samuel Murphy
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Daniel Gonzalez
>nationalreview fuck off
Daniel Hernandez
Have women contributed literally anything to popular discourse besides veiled status sniping
Gabriel Smith
I unironically believe that if it wasn't for women, we wouldn't have ended up placing as much of a premium as we do on social media interaction.
Asher Mitchell
they have a vagina, what more do they need to contribute? you should be worshiping them as a goddess that they are you toxic man.
Samuel Turner
all jokes aside, this is pretty spot on. social media took off because women adopted it. men followed because they were chasing pussy, and pussy was on myspace then facebook. back in high school my buddies and i ONLY had myspace to follows girls we liked and find other girls near us as myspace made it dumb easy. type in a zip code, filter for "women," set age and realtionship status and happy hunting.
facebook made it harder to find pussy but by adding friends, friends, and groups you were able to grow a large list of pussy near by.
Luke Reed
Feminists have spent years domesticating men and making them docile servants. The last thing they want is for the flames of the warrior spirit to ignite and destroy all of their hard work. The ball is already rolling there is no stopping it now.
Hunter Allen
and women adopted social media quick because it made it easy for them to find dirt on fellow women to gossip about, stalk boys they liked, and get the attention they craved.
Luke Turner
only a few based ones (Trump's Mom)
can confirm
agree. thank you
Robert Cook
But you're just proving my point
Gabriel Evans
anecdotal/personal example: all of my friends and I (the ones who didnt use/buy drugs) pretty much only started text messaging in middle school & high school (2004-2010) because girls.
our parents gave us cellphones "so you can keep in touch with us when you're at ryans house" or whatever but we never fucking called our parents; we were trying to get pictures of tiddies through text messages
Isaac Walker
False
Charles Kelly
I heard some kike on Tucker the other night saying "we don't even care about syria but we have to be there" and I'm just so sick of Israel. I hope Iran nukes Israel and kills every single person living there.
Mason Gomez
It's a Catch 22. No movement or idea will take off without women on board; they legitimize anything men create. The sad part is that in the long run they inevitably run it right to the ground...
It hasnt since the 1960's. coincidentally the same era women gave themselves special superior rights, and de crimininalized all forms of female immorality while simeoultaneously criminalizing most aspects of maleness.
Letting the female psyche loose upon society without any restrictions was a huge huge massive mistake.
Kayden Rogers
I started on AIM way back when because of girls.
Nathan Wright
same here. got my first cell phone just to text girls too. by 2006, at least here, if you didn't have a cell phone girls in school thought you were weird. you pretty much had to get one.
Daniel Parker
Can't help it if you're 100% on target.
Ian Hernandez
i watched the segment, but your comprehension abilities seem to be poor: he didn't offer any explanation
anyways, let me guess whose fault it is: obama?
Chase Stewart
don't forget msn and yahoo. i use to use yahoo for the chatrooms to find girls.
Sebastian James
>Letting the female psyche loose upon society without any restrictions was a huge huge massive mistake What I don't get is how this is how transparently obvious this is, but we still gave them the vote anyway. Countless historical examples to choose from, a hundreds / thousands of years of patriarchy to drill this into our heads, yet the cucks of the early 20th century decided to do it anyway. Were we really just that high on our own sense of Enlightened superiority?
Easton Torres
>National Review
RIP cuckservative old media
Jack Martinez
>Can you believe Tucker Carlson, having the temerity to air a segment called “Men in America”? Rachel Dicker, a columnist at Mediaite, certainly can’t.
Cosmopolitan Leftist dumbfounded by experience of those outside their bubble #387548
Gavin Barnes
>let me guess whose fault it is: obama? Just brainlet cucks who buy MSM memes, iterated over a century
Sebastian Miller
the civil rights act was the huge massive mistake.
Gavin Scott
>Liberals can grouse all they want that aggrieved American men are flocking to the wrong kind of savior Funny that I agree Peterson is the wrong kind of savior, but for completely different reasons
Jack Johnson
I talked to girls through napster too. It was a desperate time.
Brandon Bennett
let me guess you're a stormfag right?
William Baker
Whites gave women the right to vote decades before the Civil Rights act, sweatiey
Kayden Stewart
Never would have passed without the (((19th Amendment)))
Ayden Wright
Well to be frank, it's not that obvious. This experiment has been running for only 50+ years. And what's more saddening is that you can't really go back that easily and end this experiment without total collapse of civilization as we know it.
Cameron Ward
>It was Angela Nagle who, in her book about the Internet culture wars, posited a connection between the “growing celibacy among a large male population,” the “anxiety and anger about their low-ranking status in the hierarchy” that such persistent sexual frustration engenders, and the mushrooming of the so-called alt-right in 2016
Fuck me. Those people literally reduce everything to sex. There's no ideas to them, there are no cultures, no right and wrong, no goodness, beauty, no political philosophy
To them everybody is the same as soon as they can satisfy themselves with sex. This ends all disputes, wondering and dilemmas
Lucas Garcia
i remember getting free aol internet disks just to do the free months to use their chat to chat with girls... and later on in early college stickam was awesome. so many damn whores.
Ethan Cruz
ok? what does that have to do with acknowledging the civil rights act was a massive mistake too?
Jose Sanders
they will but that will drag us into ww3 by design
Ayden Price
>i watched the segment, but your comprehension abilities seem to be poor: he didn't offer any explanation >anyways, let me guess whose fault it is: obama? No, liberals who want to get rid of traditional "heternormative" (normal) white men. Its basic population displacement and parasite politics. Women are the parasites and want to shame the men into becoming a slave class that does all the work in the workplace but is only paid half, makes all the money in the relationship but is only paid half, and is coerced into walking on egg shells around women because of "harassment" "sex harassment" and other catch all weasel laws that are designed to make innocent or irrelevant social interactions between men and women highly criminal and tantamount to actual rape.
Nathan Rogers
Sort yourself out, bucko. Clean your room, bucko. Sort your country out, bucko. Clean your country, bucko.
Brandon Martinez
Women have always been the chief consumers. They do the shopping after all, in a broad sense
Zachary Hall
Men are the explorers, women are the colonizers. This has always been true and always will be true.
Leo Cox
Their was never any patriarchy.
I know that sounds like a conspiracy theory. But its actually true.
The "patriarchy" is a made up Lie. Watch any movie from the existence of film. Elvis is always talking about how capable women are. In the "Crusades" 1935 a women takes the Oath of a crusader and when the king says "this is a mans job" she and the assembly snear at him.
The patriarchy never existed. Nature did. When safe effective birth control came into being so did womens rights, not because men withheld them, but because Nature itself conspired against woman in the form of motherhood.
But letting loose the female subconcious on society is fucking insane. Women are fucking crazy not the better angels of mankinds nature. They seek to establish their reproductive imperatives couched in "moral" terms.
Basically its inverted sharia. Think about what me too really represents. A man is guilty of rape unless he has two female witnesses. And he must never be alone with a women or he is castigated. Looses his job and life.
Camden James
>Those people literally reduce everything to sex >Those people Women. Women do this. Women are those people. Jews and cucks push things in that direction of course but at the end of the day this is simply how women are and the only thing they think
Hudson Foster
It is ONLY sex, not reproduction, not marriage, not family. They can only see the immediate physical need. This is the core of Leftism, the destruction of civilization itself, the reduction of everything to base physicality and materialism. This is the heart of the Jewish worldview.
Austin Wood
you absolute retard, why couldn't you wait? you had to butt in with your pointless comment and break up the OP's flow, you just had to force yourself into the story, because for you it's all about you isn't it, well I tell you what, go and fucking noose yourself you selfish cunt
Evan Davis
I can disagree with Peterson's views about identity and race without being a "stormfag." I can even admire certain aspects of National Socialism without being a "Nazi."
Peterson has some good ideas but he's afraid of actually speaking the truth he KNOWS is irrefutable. The fact that he would never even debate figures to the right of him hurts his credibility in my eyes, it's the same problem Ben Shapiro has. They're both pied pipers telling white men to be individualist and selfish while having no answer for the collectivist nonwhites who are already approaching majority status. I can't abide those who would tell us to accept our fate
>Were we really just that high on our own sense of Enlightened superiority?
It was the 20's.... people were drunk on success. Everyone was happy and fed, what could go wrong?
Jackson Myers
>Women. Women do this Nah, it runs across sexes. Sexual revolution was started by men, not women, come on, be honest
>This is the heart of the Jewish worldview Nope. This was created by Europeans themselves and they have to take responsibility for their wrongdoings, blaming this on others won't solve the problem, only deepen it
Criticize Jews for Talmud, not for everything bad in the world
Brayden Gonzalez
>grouse >aggrireved >temerity
literally stopped reading. Pretentious faggotry off the fucking charts.
guess what is going away, this thiread from my reading list. s a g e
Eli Hernandez
The rule of law was designed over hundreds of years to control the male reproductive impulses.
The law criminalized male immoral behavior. It was not designed for women.
But in one fell swoop we freed women from the law, from the clergy, from the constrictions of nature and motherhood, and from the strictures of social expectations.
We let loose the entire female subconcious without restraint.
Imagine if female immorality was illegal, but male immorality was totally legal.
Free to rape, free to kill, free to pillage, free to enslave. Wed take a step back 2,000 years into history. And that is what we have done with women. Loosed them to recreate prehistory. Its nuts.
Jace Rodriguez
+1. people need to understand basic biology you can easily understand why the "roles" men and women had for 50,000 years+ were because of biology not because men wanted to shove women into the kitchens. each sex used their biological traits to maximize survival. only women produce babies. women are pregnant for 9 months straight. no medicine, no grocery store, making spaghetti and meat balls for 95% of human existence required you to not only make everything from scratch, but GROWING everything from scratch. high infant mortality rates. humans take 15 - 21 years to mature. can go on and on. when you realize all of that, you then realize no such thing as patriarchy. nor the traditional roles being "social constructs."
yes, life is now different. the brute strength of men are no longer needed. automation has revolutionized things. medicine as transformed the landscape. but to demonize the building blocks that KEPT THE HUMAN RACE ALIVE and brought forth modern life is absolute insane.
Isaiah Parker
calm down you autistic retard.
Easton Williams
Peterson is saving young men and the people here hate that, misery loves company.
Jonathan Murphy
Inverted sharia.
William Jenkins
>And he must never be alone with a women or he is castigated. And at the same time Mike Pence is a misogynist for bringing his wife any time he's having a meal with a woman. At this rate women will be leaving the workforce and getting married young because of all of these imagined problems.
Maybe youtube will run a campaign that empower's men and maybe hell will freeze over.
Adrian Parker
>Everything is sexual in the (((Freudian))) mind I'm afraid she doesn't give a fuck about Freud. It's just that leftists reduce people to socio-economic sphere and to bodily pleasures, like a sack of meat
Continuous consumption of good food and drink = everybody heads towards unity and people are calm, they accept unity, equality, bla bla. Pleasures that come from masturbation and sex leads to the same. So people are generally about distributing those experiences. Again, to them there's simply no free and autonomous mind. They can't wrap their heads around the idea that somebody might feel actually concerned about the country, about something wider than their bodily pleasures
It is written that way 100% consciously and on purpose, the point is to be so provocative and insulting that you're pressured to either a) agree with them in order to find relief from getting angry or b) drop out of the conversation because you're too flustered to participate, ceding the argument to them. Coincidentally this is Peterson's strength, they pelt him with insults and provocations and he just refuses to let it get to him. So they don't know what to do, they just go in circles trying to get under his skin and it doesn't work and be just calmly wins the day repeatedly
Bentley Rogers
>I'm afraid she doesn't give a fuck about Freud. It's just that leftists reduce people to socio-economic sphere and to bodily pleasures, like a sack of meat It all stems from Freudian psychoanalysis, which was married to Marxism to create Cultural Marxism, the basis of critical theory, intersectionality, oppressor/oppressed, and all manner of destructive thought plaguing our societies
Zachary Miller
Shoo shoo greasy Jew
Gabriel Evans
It’s exactly what women want deep down. They want strong men to follow. There’s a very good reason why women are hell bent on importing third world savages - they aren’t domesticated by women yet.
Alexander Collins
yet but weekly standard is the worst
National Review has some great articles about the shitstain Awan Brothers
Bentley Mitchell
Devil worship
>19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. 22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
>14Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: 15Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray, following the way of Balaam the son of Bosor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness;
Theres a reason they hate religion. It shows you what they are
>Carlson is gonna ride the Peterson popularity train Meh imokwiththis.jpg
Isaiah Perez
We should be pushing more people to molymeme. At least he gets the racial/demographic problem and explains it in a digestible way for normies. Petersen is great but he clams up when race comes up. Maybe when he no long needs his job he’ll go full on 14 words, molymeme has a shitload of buttcoin so he doesn’t have to worry.
Carter Ross
>having a short meme attention span
Michael Butler
Devi is one off the top.of my head. Mary, Sophia, and Lilith all deserve grace.
Nathan Flores
I distinctly remember being a freshman in college in a dorm and hearing about Facebook (it was The Facebook then). My buddy was explaining it to us.
>What the fuck is it for? >To get pussy!
That's exactly how it went down. Haven't been on since like 2010
Jonathan Smith
Author: (((Theodore Kupfer))).
Every time.
Gabriel Collins
One user says leftists devolve everything as to being about sex, then other anons admit to only joining social media to "get pussy". Appears both parties are guilty of the same crime, and too stubborn to admit it.
Jason Nelson
How large is the female alt-right and JP demographic?
Tyler Wilson
Female detected
Sebastian Powell
>How large is the female alt-right and JP demographic? Would rather marry a girl who aligns with JP rather than a girl who's an alt-right politithot
Jack Lopez
>There’s a very good reason why women are hell bent on importing third world savages - they aren’t domesticated by women yet Please stop believing literal cuckposting memes
James Torres
>Jordan Peterson has been addicted to SSRI anti-depressants for over a decade:
lol petersen takes wellbutrin, i've taken it before and it made me into a drooling retard plus it made muh dik stop working
Dylan Watson
It's true though, women don't respect the spineless men who just do what they are told. They want a confident man, confident in his authority over her.
Jaxson Jackson
Oh, I see, you're a mud
Luke Foster
>Nah, it runs across sexes. Sexual revolution was started by men, not women, come on, be honest
>Nope. This was created by Europeans themselves and they have to take responsibility for their wrongdoings, blaming this on others won't solve the problem, only deepen it
>Criticize Jews for Talmud, not for everything bad in the world
Jews have played a disproportionate role in it. That's not to say that Europeans haven't played the majority of the role, they have, nor is it to say that all Jews have contributed to this, that's by no means the case, but Jews are generally speaking overrepresented in politically correct, anti-white and yes, also movements pushing for degeneracy.
Gabriel Collins
>saving
Hes taking one step back from the brink.
Hes not saving shit hes at best delaying it. And at worse hes lowering the tempurature so frogs boil to death.
Juan Martin
Data to support this does not exist. It's a false meme. What the data overwhelmingly say is that women are conformists that will support the status quo. Right now the status quo is anti-white, women support it. If there is a paradigm shift, women will shift with it.
Charles Wilson
You're not quite representing the Alt-hype video completely accurately.
JBP is more good than harm. Even if he was a WN, he wouldn't be able to say it since it would undermine the other things he does.
What Jordan Peterson mainly does is that he dismantles the anti-white narrative which helps convert whites away from being anti-white. Now his atomised individualism is not enough to protect whites, but it's a lot better and a big (and necessary) step closer WN for whites that are anti-white.
Henry Jones
> It's a false meme. What the data overwhelmingly say is that women are conformists that will support the status quo. dominant people and the groups that follow them are what shape the status quo.
Christopher Brown
thanks, time to kill myself goodbye
Gavin Turner
This. I actually read the fucking Jezebel link and it basically said, "well everything would be alright if men just acted like women". Maybe that's why these cunts like trannies so much, but obviously that's not going to happen because men are men and women are women. These people deny reality and insert their fake world nonsense in its place, of course it is going to fail and lead to a breakdown of civil society. That's what is happening.
Connor Hernandez
Correct, but may I ask you, have you worked around and/or commony encountered migrants? Around middle easterners and Africans? I have. There are a great many words I could use to describe them, dominant sure as hell isn't one of them.
Charles Stewart
"Refugees welcome" is a giant shit test that western men are completely failing.
Brody Sanchez
leftists basically just aspire to be bonobos they just want a nice, flat "equal" society where everything is about fucking and no one has any real higher goal, dream, or purpose other than fucking.
