Paganism vs Christiany

ask me anything about Old Norse

Varg has been consistently expousing some views since the 90's, and this is all published, with articles, interviews and books on it since back then.

Survive the Jive is a tatooed angl*id - it's very difficult to take issue with him, because he puts out very little and it's mostly anthropology subjects - but I find him to miss the bigger picture, and some of his content to be questionable.

But to each his own, I think he adds too.

Saying leftists have higer IQ's isn't a contradiction to saying IQ is meaningless. IQ is all about the abillity to use your brain more efficiently which results people going for higher education. Sadly cultural marxist took over universities which explains why many leftists have a high IQ.

Give me some cool facts or some shit which contributes to the thread.

Well, I think in that case he made a video about the leftists and then a video about IQ being not the only measurement of intelligence - but it goes in line with him saying that the leftists are finding more intelligent solutions by havings kids, doing permaculture and living a simpler life supporting each other than right-wing mutts holding "parades" and then going back to their jobs...

The belief is in the living God, to whom extinction and death are won, to whom hope is real, and home is holy and to whom you are family.

The belief is in neither juvenile nor jewish revolts. The belief is not naivete, it is not a cold Newtonian billiard game, nor is it animal instinct. It is in Logos that tells spirit its nature, soul its place and body its tasks.

>redpilled white man
Assuming you're basically asking "What is the best religious framework that propagates racial purity and an explicit ethnostate?", the only answer is some form of reactionary semi-revisionist version of ethnic tribal paganism i.e. Vargism.

Reason and the nature of things whiting the human are whats the closest to God. This is why I also believe Mathematics is the language of God.

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sorry, I am way too autistic to be able to separate cool facts from uncool facts.
for example, to me, it is very fascinating that Old Norse has nine vowels in stressed positions (those are: a, e, i, o, u, y, ǫ, ǿ, æ) and only three in unstressed positions (those are: a, i, u).
but is this cool to anyone else?
probably not.

Religion is a matter of truth. If your religion is determined by your political beliefs, you don't actually have a religion, you're simply using the concept like a political bumper sticker.

Does Varg speak old Norse? Am not able to tell myself since i'm not Norse.

Good point.

>If your religion is determined by your political beliefs, you don't actually have a religion

It seems to me that political beliefs and religious beliefs go hand in hand. Both deal with the subject of morality... and they both equally flow from who you are as a person.

>Does Varg speak old Norse?
no, but he knows much more about it than your average joe.
example of the former: when he wrote "Germansk mytologi og verdensanskuelse", he relied on translations of the Norse material into Danish.
example of the latter: in one video, he notes that "Ski" was pronounced with /sk/, not with /ʃ/ like today.

also, I can confirm that Varg speaks/reads German.

I agree. However I think the man you are here replying to was trying to say that if you choose to identify with a particular religion merely because of how much it appears to align with and propagate particular political views that you already hold then you are not authentically religious.

tldr; religion should never be a means to a political end

>I can confirm that Varg speaks/reads German
Really? Never knew that

Gay is too main stream
Trans is the way now.
But not for long hmm i think being an animal fucker is ur best bet moving forward that'll take awhile before it catches on.

Deism.

yes really.
I'm actually not sure why this always seems to surprise people.
oh well.

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unironically Varg is an incredible musician and I enjoy doing cover's to his music in my spare time.

Reminder that Varg dyes his hair blonde, he isn't even white by his own standards.

I don't know... I think it's unavoidable.

I mean the things we might idealize... or find beautiful about a religious idea can be framed also as a political wish we have for society.

I think we should be both genuine and practical in some sense. We should support a religion that speaks to us AND that will have the political effect we desire... I think to some degree those things are naturally linked anyway.

>all his album titles are in german

uhhhh

The one true belief is believing in the power of progress.

??? He shaves his head bald most of the time, and when it begins to grow it is clearly grey. As far as I know his hair is naturally blonde but he used to dye it black when he was really into the Helvete scene.

discard religion, acquire currency.

Of course they are naturally linked, and religion and politics go hand and hand almost as much as religion and philosophy (which, philosophy and politics also go hand in hand, ofc.) I am not preaching on separation of church and state here, I am saying that you should not decide to join or identify with a religion only after you have decided that it furthers your political aims; and ONLY BECAUSE it furthers your political aims.

His hair is greyish due to age, but he still dyes. It's naturally light brown. Never seen him with black dye but that would be pretty funny if you could find it.

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What's the difference between these letters? What are they specifically?

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Ok ok I concede. You've blugeoned me into submission with forceful agreement.

its true even i as a shitskin can appreciate his contributions to music. jesu dod is an amazing track

The correct form of Christianity is Quakerism.
The correct form of Islam is Bektashi.
The correct form of Buddhism is Soto Zen.
The correct form of Paganism is whatever your ancestors practiced.

I think painting his hair is dumb

He can't comprehend that he isn't fully Nordic.

:^)

the first is ⟨k⟩
the second is ⟨s⟩, specifically "long s": ⟨ſ⟩
the third is ⟨b⟩, I'm not sure why you can't tell
the fourth is ⟨d⟩
the fifth is also ⟨d⟩
the sixth is ⟨G⟩
the seventh is ⟨h⟩

reading fraktur is a bit of an art... it's obnoxious at first but I think it has its charm.

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Pagans out in the real world are normally pretty redpilled, but most of the pagans here are just r/atheism

I knew it was b but I was confused why there was another character that looked exactly like b

well, fraktur is awkward. but you do get used to it.
also, if you compare the ⟨B⟩ to the ⟨V⟩ you find that those are almost identical too.
(see Verwunderung, the first word in the second line, then also "Baume", first word in the fifth line.)

Pagano-Christian
Take the Christian morality and combine it with the Masculine/Feminine virtues, Heroic ideals and the romanticism of struggle, that is found European Paganism.

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Irony: The name of his band (which is displayed on his shirt) comes from a book written by a DEVOUT CATHOLIC GENTLEMAN who based the mythos of universe on CHRISTIAN theology. Fuck sake his total hypocrite.

Varg doesn't paint his hair - he painted it black when he was young and involved with live concerts - that's probably where the guy who said it got his idea. He is very blonde, he even explicitly said his pubes are blonde...

Did you see the video he made a week or so back where he alluded to Tolkien's works in it? He was in the comments saying Tolkien was only pretending to be Catholic because of social norms and peer pressure, and that he was actually pagan.

Haha what a literal jaded retard. I guess he's passed that age where his beliefs are firmly set in and there is nothing you can say to change his mind.

hm tough choice

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Nietzschean atheism.
This is the final answer.

>posts a pantyshot

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He is the Truth, the Life and the Way. No one comes to the Father except through Him.

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The name comes from a fake language made by Tolkien - still Varg has adressed Tolkien's inspirations and his mixed feelings towards him - and this since the 90's.

He has a full video on it though.

I saw that - it was not Varg saying this, but he "hearting" a comment. In essence, what was said was not that Tolkien was an actual pagan and not catholic, but that his inspirations came, chiefly, from germanic and pre-christian european themes - this of which he couldn't loudly claim to be the case due to peer pressure, not from society at broad, but due to his own church presence, considering Tolkien was a devout catholic active in his parish. It would have been a massive loss of face of him towards his peers - "oh look I made this entire work mainly on pagan inspirations, even though I'm a devout catholic". Also, let's not forget Tolkien, among others, denounced National Socialism and "anti-semitism", so not a great person to look upon...

Christianity, the best denomination is /x/‘s version of Christianity.

But what he said (or in that case hearted) actually makes sense, and is not something to be so concerned about.

See:

maybe if I post some runestones.

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So Gnosticism, which isn't Christianity.

best denominations are orthodox, old high anglican and catholic

Christianity. God's punishment is terrible and swift.

Jangus

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Paganism, but it doesn't have to be Norse.

There's Celtic and Greek/Roman paganism too.

Bean

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fuck bucket shitting paganism

Christian Identity

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Now that is the very worse. Try a RACIAL identity. "Christian Identity" people were persecuted during "Kirchenkampf" in the Third Reich.

The most redpilled is working together in these dark times. I was shilling against Christians just a week ago and I can see the error in my ways.

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CI *is* racial identity. Take a look, it may surprise you. Changed my life forever

Okay look, I love metal and I like redpills, but can we just accept that Burzum is fucking awful?

Neither.

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Then call it what it is, don't try to sprout an "identity" in common with niggers and shitskins who form the majority of christian believers and which involves keeping around the churches, who are far from being "our greatest allies"... I looked into it, it's just halfway bullshit to take people away from National Socialism and actual identity, of blood. Read what Hitler said on "Political Christianity", which he, and the SS manuals, ranked as even worse than socialism and straight up subversion.

Je hebt het goed door knul

okay, let's try a reversal where I ask you a question instead.
in the Germanic mythology, it is foretold that a wolf shall devour the moon, and full moons, as we all know, triggers men to transform into werewolves (which literally means "man-wolves").
what is the deal with the moon and its link to insanity, to ferociousness, to epilepsy?
are the werewolves an expression of "lunacy"?

what does any of this mean?

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>in common with niggers and shitskins who form the majority of christian believers

You mean Catholicism and protestant "churchianity"? That's not what this is. At all. This group acknowledges that the universalization of the promise to true Israel is a product of satanic corruption.

This entire belief system is based around white Adamic man being the only inheritors of the promise to Jacob and Israel, which this man very effectively shows were white, and not "jewish" at all. Jews in CI are recognized as Satan--the adversary of god. And the other non-adamic races are recognized as products of the fallen angels, and are similarly opposed to the will of god

And actually he has a good essay on this site which argues that true Christianity is actually white national socialism

Dankjewel. Het is nooit makkelijk om je fouten in te zien.

To add to this tread: why fight in the first place. Only the invaders have to gain from our infighting. Most fucking traditions are the same. Let's focus on what needs to be done and then discuss our religious differences in a mcivil way when the time is due. That time is NOT now.

Arguing about semantics will do neither one of our tribes any good. Besides spirituality is for the family unit not the entire creed.

I see these types of naive people, justifying how "whites are the true jews". This is beyond mental gymnastics.

Here is a piece of information for you, it's called "Der Ewige Jude": youtube.com/watch?v=RlHVin56U2w

Tune in at 46:05 and see some Third Reich state footage on people like that, who would deny the jews, the eternal swindler, to be a race. Spouting such views in the Third Reich would probably get you removed of any public life, to say the least...

There were talks about this among pan-germanist and NatSoc circles, like the Germanenorder and the Thulean Society, things like the "Ostara" publication - but these were very quickly rejected and recognized as subversion even (if later employed by the NSDAP itself - to get church leadership to embrace RACIAL identity).

And yes, I know this sounds absolutely crazy and even stupid, and it gets derided by pagans and Christians alike regularly here. I accept that. Israel was prophecized to be blinded to her true identity, and only god can lift that fog.

But I've read every one of his major essays and listened to hours upon hours of his audio commentaries on this subject, and it makes more sense than anything else I've ever read/heard from any Christian or pagan. It explains history. It puts the disparate pieces of history together. It synthesizes the old and new testaments. It just makes so much sense, it's been incredible for me.

Well, I suppose whatever gets you going - but you should be aware that this is factually contradicted by any writings from Third Reich Officials and their policies.

I trust research and well-documented arguments from the source texts of Western Civilization more than I trust the judications of party officials, I'm sorry.

For the record, he has essays praising what Hitler accomplished and tried to set forth. His only criticism is that man is not meant to accomplish what God has promised to do himself in the last days

If you'll notice, the cross in the banner for his page features a swatstika with a drop of blood in the center. The word "Christogenea" means "The Race of Christ" in Greek.

>I trust research and well-documented arguments from the source texts of Western Civilization more than I trust the judications of party officials

You trust more other sources on the NSDAP belief's rather than the own NSDAP? I think "Gandhi" praised Hitler too, doesn't make him right.

I know this.

Christian Reconstructionism is the most redpilled form of religion
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>redpilled
That moment when you realize that despite all attempts, one can never outrun the reach of God. All major world events revolve around Him, our calendar revolves around Him, the majority of human life on the planet believes in Him, He is a topic of discussion across every single forum of human discourse on the planet.

Get with Him brother.

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if you don't believe in Nietzsche's theory of Ubermensch then you're not white.

True , but the difference between then and now is that the white race is actually threatened so we kinda need to think more collectively.

The NSDAP may well have been right in rooting out subversive Christian Identity groups during their time period. God knows there's plenty of incentive for the enemy to twist and misrepresent the idea-- as well as people who were well-meaning but just wrong on some fundamental pieces (British Israelism).

But Christogenea wasn't around when the NSDAP made those deliberations.

Full Richard Carrier style wokedness and atheism