Why are you against free migration, Jow Forums? According to economists, open borders would double the world's real GDP

When did I ever mention money?

False, if we ended all welfare and essentially went AnCap millions of illegal aliens would leave. With our generous social services we're essentially subsidizing cheap labor for big business.

1. To measure value
2. To preserve value
3. To act as a medium in trade

What's your definition?

If we went ancap, millions more people would be migrating into Europe and America because of the higher wages.

the white race is more important than money you kike nigger

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Money is anything that is readily accepted as payment for goods and services. So cash, checking accounts and savings accounts are money. GDP is the value of the goods and services produced in an economy. A computer is not money. You can't take a computer to the store and readily exchange it for groceries.

Millions of useful people would be migrating in for the jobs and millions of useless people would be migrating out because no gibz.

Muh GDP more important than cultural identity. That’s some kike-tier logic bud.

>According to (((economists))), open borders would double the world's real GDP.

Who is this cutie?

>getting paid under the table at shit wages because illegal
>use public services and emergency rooms paid for by legal tax payers
>use stolen SSN to get on welfare
>make barely enough to live on, but still survivable
>all social services end
>can't even steal welfare with a stolen SSN
>forced to move back because cost of living is lower in old country
>market price of labor goes up as supply diminishes and people refuse to work at a lower price

More like muh GDP is more important than GDP/capita. Fucking AnCap spewing neoliberal bullshit.

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Why does she look like she has shit all over her face

#OPENBORDERSFORISRAEL

because the people migrating aren't qt3.14 irish redheads with pale skin and giant knockers, they're filthy low iq shitskin subhumans angry at whitey

Because large migrations have led to war and human suffering on extreme scales. Cultural differences that are too big to bridge usually end up in genocides. Culturally homogeneous societies tend to be safer. Actions don't lead to "misunderstandings" in the end you are more free, when your borders are secure. Not that borders are closed, but only trustworthy people cross them...

You cretin...Value is measured in money! If a computer is valuable, it means it is worth a lot in money. Your point in this thread is that supposedly the value of of domestic goods would increase, as in their value would increase which would mean the increase of money.

So, once again, money is not everything. I don't give a fuck if free migration would supposedly increase the GDP of the world, since then it would take something more precious than any shekel with it.

World GDP per capita would double, retard. Hoppeans are dumb as fuck.

Fuck off Isaac

Economists are retards that are wrong as often as they are right.

>open borders would double the world's real GDP.

like in Sweden, Germany, England right now??

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You don't understand even basic economics, dude. No, an increase in real GDP would not mean an "increase of money". Theoretically, you can measure output without using any particular currency as a unit of account. GDP is measured in USD because it's more convenient then saying our economy produced, "2 million bags of Cheetos, 1 million iPads, 2 million Levi jeans, etc".

Which economists are you listening to?

>this thread again

S A G E D

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>according to (((economists))) bringing in cheap labor will make the Jews slightly wealthier

everyday this thread is posted why so you keep replying?

>According to economists, open borders would double the world's real GDP.
Who cares?
I couldn't care less for the "GDP of the world doubling", it is entirely meaningless.
Especially since it *probably* aren't the developed countries which GDP will double.

I want a homogeneous nation, if I have to accept that I make a few bucks less every month (or that my government has less gibs) so be it.
What tangible benefit could an increase in the world GDP have for the German people?

Thats an awful lot of Jewish surnames

>If we went ancap, millions more people would be migrating into Europe and America because of the higher wages.
Yes, exactly.
I couldn't have made a better argument for NOT having open borders.

GDP increases, yes.
But don't forget that GDP per capita decreases.

Freedom of movement is absolutely okay if there is freedom to dispose of migrant troublemakers. If the nigs and slimes will keep getting mowed down, the others will just stop coming if all they want to do is commit crimes.

Immigrant labor is like a new cost-saving technology. Many people here in southern California hire Mexicans to mow our lawns. Mexicans in this case are like self-operating lawnmowers.

World GDP per capita would double.

I'm not seeing anything on if state welfare was removed. Have they explained this from an anarchist perspective (no welfare)?

Are you actually an ancap?

This is from economists assuming all people are equal, we believe they are not. It would lead to hundreds of millions living in slums who then become so desperate that they start stealing everything to survive. Theft=no more investment in the community=no more economic growth. Not to mention the extreme anger from the native population would cause a civil war eventually (if they are still armed).

These studies don't have a political biases, retard. Yes, I've been an anarcho-capitalist for years.

it can not happen. the kikeminati wants a united world for that and other reasons. 1 government would mean that it would be a whole lot easier to control the world. people also have a right to property, tradition and privacy which warrants their own borders if they want to form a community(country).

He's assuming that if all borders are removed, then GDP would double. You can't have worldwide GDP double without GDP/capita double as well.

It's like a marxist saying "if every country went communist at the same time it'd work."

Says who? Link?
That would imply that migrants contribute more than they take.

>Immigrant labor is like a new cost-saving technology.
Yes, why would you even say that?
It is obviously true that labor would be cheaper.

But what tangible benefit do the German people have from wrecking their nation with criminals?
After all 40% of crimes in Germany are committed by the 10% non Germans.

Is getting killed by some nigger worth to get 50% of the cost of mowing your lawn?

Because you make this thread every day.

No, they don't make the assumption that everybody is equally productive. In fact, all these estimates assume that foreign labor is far less productive than native labor.

show me one white man thats gonna scrub your filthy fucking toilets.

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>show me one white man thats gonna scrub your filthy fucking toilets.
Do you know about the poles?

If anyone wants to know the real reason Jews support immigration it's this. Nothing to do with race, everything to do with money.

You are so fucking bluepilled.

You're forgetting about the NAP. If the dregs violate it, they're fair game. That's how you deal with poverty. If you're not fit to pull your own weight, you will most likely die of hunger or get shot by those who you've committed a crime against.

Careful, this is how SA fucked itself over. They tolerated the influx of blacks into cities because they allowed for cheap labor. At some point you lose control though.

>show me one white man thats gonna scrub your filthy fucking toilets for less than $7.50/hour.
Fixed.

And exactly benenfit whom the most monetarily? Oh right the ones who need cheap labor and more consumers not the existing citizens.

you're too dumb to be real.
sage

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> illiterate sand niggers become rocket scientists in no time
> therefore no need to rape white women
> become brilliant parts of society
> purchase goods and services thanks to the wealth they created
> debt of the country becomes smaller

No wait. That's definitely not how it is happeninng.
Fucking idiot

mostly kikes today. polacks are a fucked up niggernation. them german neonazis that protest, half of them are polish kikes.
>polacks come illegaly in your country anyway and do crimes and shit and you cant do nuffin. most of them dont wanna clean your toilets, except for the females that have no other choice. ASK GERMANY.

You've made this exact thread 71 times.

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>free migration would double the worlds gdp
Yeah dude, if I move all my furniture around the house, my bank account grows. That is indeed how the economy works.!

>>polacks come illegaly in your country
No, they don't.
They come perfectly legally.

>and do crimes and shit
They don't really commit more crime then native Germans.

>the females
That is certainly true, my dad pays a Polish women to clean his house.

Your analogy is stupid. And you're stupid if you think you understand labor economics better than PhD economists who have been studying migration for decades.

They're basing their studies on false assumptions

>Why are you against free migration, Jow Forums?
because it destroys the economy, it creates division, it destroys societies, it erodes culture. It leaves the working class people (the 99%) worse off than ever, it breeds corruption, it changes the political sphere, it leads to more crime and it builds down the last 2000 years of technological achievements.

>According to economists, open borders would double the world's real GDP.
how you dumb lefty retard, just how?

shouldn't overpopulated africa be an economic paradise by that logic? fucking retard

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But politics influence the economy. If you have a welfare system and open borders then you're tampering with the free market by disincentivizing working. People in different locations, who generally want to get as much money as possible for as little work as possible aka be efficient with their time, will come from far away to get a free ride on welfare programs. And since this is welfare instead of charity, people living in the area are forced to pay people welfare.

Global ancap could work. But many nations removing their borders without making any changes to their welfare programs would suffer.

But whether they are right or not is completely irrelevant.

The benefits of "doubling the GDP" are completely outweigh by the negative consequences, the same consequences which you can see in the west today.
In Germany the 10% of non Germans commit 40% of the crime.

Appeal to authority. Read the sticky.

You're assuming that only white countries will remove their borders. OP is assuming that all countries will remove their borders simultaneously. In that case white people can freely move to areas with small government, claim property and defend it. Unless OP assumes there's a OWG enforcing anti-discrimination laws then white people could try colonizing Africa again while all the current governments go bankrupt.

I'm an anarcho-capitalist, not a lefty. You're more leftist than I am because you are against free labor markets.

This idea that free migration would increase the world's GDP is not a controversial idea. You can find the basic model in any international economics textbook. If you think about a marginal case, it's easy to understand. For example, a Somali man may only be able to produce $1000 worth of goods and services per year working in his native country but that same man could produce $30,000 worth of services per year in New York City as a taxi driver.

What's your opinion on anti-discrimination laws?

I'm an anarcho-capitalist.

What does GDP mean to me? Nothing!
Fuck off

GDP per capita can go eat a dick. It doesn’t mean shit to me. You can go eat a dick too faggot. On the day of the rope you shall hang along with all the kike niggers.

>You're assuming that only white countries will remove their borders.
No.

>In that case white people can freely move to areas with small government
Firstly that is ridiculous.
People do not want to move, they want to stay in the place where there are similar people who speak their language.
A German wouldn't go to Uganda just because there is "small government" there.
Secondly where the fuck are areas with "small government"?

>white people could try colonizing Africa again
What would be the fucking point?
Seriously think about it.
If whites would create a prosperous functioning society in Africa, then guess what? The niggers will move there.
What happens then? Whites move back to Europe because the Niggers are destroying White Wakanda?

You are seriously delusional if you seriously believe in your post.

WHAT DO YOU THINK "ANARCHO" means?
It *PROBABLY* doesn't include any monopoly on law you retard.

Are you twelve? This is so fucking dumb I can't believe you are genuine.

Migration is great, I would like to see more blacks, latinos and etc in my area, no joking. The only thing, though - they should adapt to local culture and embrace our values. Otherwise they'll create their own parallel societies and nothing good will come out of it.

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>anarcho capitalist
>t. Retard

>they should adapt to local culture
Multi racialism = multiculturalism

Integration is nothing but a myth. If you want a mono culture you NEED a racially homogeneous society.

>Muh countrys large economy
An economy being large has nothing to do with your well being as an average person. India has a much larger economy than Denmark. Which country would you rather live in?

So if people can discriminate as they wish, and there is no government welfare that people are forced to pay for, then good luck trying to immigrate to a white society. Immigrants would be forced to adapt, leave, or perish, borders or not. Niggers fucking up a society requires a monopoly of force to back them.

Can I freely migrate to your home and live there?

You've made this exact thread 71 times.

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wrong

This

OP is just autistically spamming his emotional response bait thread (note that the pictures are never of the swarthy men who immigrate but rather pretty NW european women, something that would ironically be bred out by the hordes he’s advocating for). He’s been doing it daily for months. Pathetic.

Sage in all fields

>slave labor is good for the economy guys

Not necessarily - take US, they had immigrants since day 1 and become a superpower. They even had chinatowns in XIX century, without negative concequence. Or Russia, we were doing pretty good until recently (second superpower, a little earlier - one of the most dynamic economies), and we have ~160 ethnicities. Clashes happen from time to time, but general population is chill. Or China, 55 ethnicities - a new superpower.
All three countries used melting pot aproach which is working nicely. Problems begin when idiots start their usual "but muh traditions" banter.

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>So if people can discriminate as they wish, and there is no government welfare that people are forced to pay for, then good luck trying to immigrate to a white society.
Firstly that isn't what OP was arguing he said "opening the borders will double the GDP", with absolutely no other supporting policies.
If you want to argue that we should open the borders and deport every single person who doesn't adapt to the local culture, then we don't actually have a problem, since 99% of people who currently are Migrants will get thrown out of their countries.

Which is effectively the same as borders, just that we are more radical in who we let in, this isn't "free movement of people", this would be ethnic segregation.

OP is arguing the OPPOSITE of what you are, you are arguing along the lines of Hoppe, while OP is arguing the other case.

>Niggers fucking up a society requires a monopoly of force to back them.
Yes, a monopoly on force is something racial Identitarians who form a majority tend to get.
Look at SA.

>take US, they had immigrants since day 1 and become a superpower.
Please for the love of god read my post.

The US had a WHITE ONLY immigration policy, they threw out indians because a court found them to NOT BE WHITE.

>They even had chinatowns in XIX century, without negative concequence.
Aren't china towns the exact opposite of what you want?
An ethnically segregated area is NOT "adapting to local culture".

>we were doing pretty good until recently
>and we have ~160 ethnicities
Yes and these ethnicities are largely separated by the enormous size of your country.
Conflict arises if different people have to live together.

>Or China, 55 ethnicities
China is racially quite homogeneous.

>All three countries used melting pot aproach which is working nicely.
The melting pot worked IF AND ONLY IF it was exactly one race.
In the US white people melted into a common culture, in China the Chinese melted into a common culture and so on.

>Problems begin when idiots start their usual "but muh traditions" banter.
No, problems being when people are so different that they self segregate from each other.
That is what happened in the US, blacks and whites segregate themselves.

Blacks and white in the US haven't "melted" in the slightest, just look at voting patterns if you do not believe me.

>according to economists
Bitch lasagna

>Firstly that isn't what OP was arguing
That's what's confusing me. He seems to be arguing for open borders but with a government that still has welfare and enforces anti-discrimination laws. If he's arguing for global anarchism then he could be right as people aren't forced to spend tax dollars on supporting immigrants and dealing with affirmative action programs.

But he argues that if Europe removed its benefits programs even more migrants will rush in. Which is exactly the opposite of what we're seeing. He's clearly a neoliberal hiding behind an ancap flag.

Yay let’s turn every country into a shithole so an artificial number representing progress goes up

Every study has political bias you moron.

Explain to me how low IQ imbeciles that can't maintain the resources in their own countries when allowed to free migrate like vermin somehow increase our wealth? Sorry, but rats don't somehow magically double everyone's wealth.

We'll see how much Jews actually "enjoy" seeing whites get blacked once autonomous robot soldiers roll out. Bloodshed is much more enjoyable and economically efficient.