The circle

Since OP`s picture describes the rise and fall of Rome can you honestly say that their downfall was not caused by the rotten institutions and lack of efficient reforms?

Was Rome not destabilized by its constant civil wars and inability to stabilize its system in regards to inheritance of the imperial crown, rising expenditure when it came to military and complete and full inability regarding socio-economic reform?

Shh, the adults are talking

>Good times are result of healthy institutions, trough planning and steady expansion of technology.

did you not read the second picture. strong men create good times

The exact causes and circumstances of the falls always vary, but the overall patterns are the same
Expansion > industry > decadence > collapse
To put it crudely.

We still talk about Rome today.

i read all that as the product of weak men. the strong men in the beginning had no military expenditure, the crown was created for the strongest and 99% of the senate is weak by definition

There must always be decline.
Destruction is a core part of the human psyche.
We are a perfect oscillation between greatness and desperation.

Why accept this? We should / could be better

But that is not even remotely true, the two sitting superpowers used to be most isolationist nation-states in the entire history of the world. Most empires collapsed almost imminently following the expansion part too, Good historic examples would be Mongols and Macedonians. Ottomans never industrialized in any real sense too.

You still want to live, don't you? If so, then you'll probably want to examine your life and gain an understanding of how you should live. The cycle is just an acknowledgement of the fact that many things don't last forever and you shouldn't try to force things that aren't meant to be anymore.

The point isn't to be great "again", but great in the universal sense

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Roman empire collapsed due to its economic impossibility and weak institutions, not due to something irrelevant as characteristics of leadership.

>But that is not even remotely true
That's completely wrong. The US followed this pattern to the letter.

>ottomans weren't industrialized
There's a better word for it, mercantilism maybe? Idk, point is there is a shift in culture from "being a good loyal citizen" to "make a lot of money"

What he suggested is the result of learning from history

hard times(great depression) create strong men. those strong men won world war 2 and created good times. those good times created weak men(boomers) and those weak men and their children are doing their damndest to create hard times

Care to explain this one to a brainlet?

Yes but your cycle is too short.

The leadership is directly responseble for the state of the institutions.

>societies on the way out try vainly to save themselves by implementing many, usually meaningless, laws
Not hard man

Being a Bong I understood this straight away.

I feel for you guys

Don't wait for others to do it.
If you want greatness, do it yourself and you will inspire others.
Conservatives have become lazy.
They thought by going left, life would become better for all.
That's wrong. We will never have strong nation states and a clear order in society like in the old days but we might have a real conservative movement in the West that rejects degeneracy.

hard dicks fuck your mom right

your mom has good times

good times makes the the dicks soft

until the dicks are hard again

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>...Dying man accumulates remedies
thought so, but I also thought a remedy was actually effective in combating the ailment.

That's what you get for stopping slavery.
What, you thought it was for colonialism?

>but I also thought a remedy was actually effective in combating the ailment
Usually, but if you're dying there's only so much it can do.

It means that the problem isnt solvable by laws. The real problem to society is the people who makeup society, or, society as a whole. Trying to address this problem by passing more laws is a vain attempt to remedy a systemic problem.

Essentially this is why all leftism fails. They think that laws change human nature (somehow?) when in fact human nature is axiomatic. In my experience, religion is the only thing that tames human nature, and Christianity (correctly applied) is more dramatic in its effect.

Hence, since leftists almost always prescribe secular solutions to problems, the solution is never reached and they reach for the only medicine they know: more laws.

Is there any point of wiping your ass everytime after taking a shit in any case?

t. Your logic.

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its not my cycle. but my best guess is technology is making everything accelerate.

you could repeat the cycle once between the founding of our nation and the end of the 19th century too i suppose.

look at the british empire in the 20th century. maybe include as far as ww1 but the story is the same.

Why ever go out and do anything? You just have to come home again.

A society that is losing cohesion often tries to implement more laws to enforce a vision of what it should be, but it's too late. The consensus is gone. Laws are passed by one group and countered by another. Everything heads toward the atomization of individuals and/or breaking down into local, then finally core identities. What used to work stops doing so.

Which is why I like my idea

There is a good theory for these kinds of processes. It was written by russian historian Leo Gumilev, but many other scientists were very unapproving to this theory because of explanation that passionarity people( strong men) become due to rays from space, which excite some mutations in their genes. Nevertheless, this theory good enough in general, if we don't delve into controversial details.

pictures.hypermart.net/theory.htm

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antifa beats the alt right

good times

good times makes antifa's knuckles hurt

until they heal and they beat the alt right again

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Chance of success is irrelevant if it's your duty

father Britannia why are you doing this to yourself

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If I give you a (you) will you stop posting?

How do you think the butchers to this elegant solution could retain a moral superiority? Certainly that bloodshed would corrupt their humanity beyond redemption.

The truth is there is no government solution for the problem of human nature. Only Jesus justifies humanity.

the dying part means that the man is going to die no matter what and as he gets closer and closer to dying he is going to keep getting more and more sick and and so he tries to heal himself with remedies that he think will make him better like a country that has to ban screwdrivers because people started attacking eachother with screwdrivers after knives got banned because people attacked eachother with knives because guns got banned because people were attacking eachother with guns and so on and so on

>antifa beats the alt right
>good times
>good times makes antifa's knuckles hurt
>until they heal and they beat the alt right again

yet according to your handlers, fascism is everywhere

lol

>Certainly that bloodshed would corrupt their humanity beyond redemption.
Yes. I've come to terms with that. I'm willing to sacrifice my humanity for the good of the species. It will be a terrible and bloody, solution, but it'll be a final one.

you give me a (you)

good times

the (you) makes me smile

i smile until the (you) fades

and then you give me anther (you)

Ultimately, any consideration of solutions or political systems have to acknowledge that in the end, whether it works or not depends on the mindset of the people. You can do a great job setting the stage for the people to be great, you can combat corrupting elements, you can remove pernicious external influence, you can educate the people, but they still have to want to participate.

>axiomatic
Ooh, good word.

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Honestly i think the chinese come closest to understanding human nature. They treat it as a violent force that must be suppressed. Which it is. Allowing total freedom of the media will naturally create a cultural death spiral towards the brightest shiniest flashing lights. Such things would need to be repressed, but undoubtedly the individuals given authority to do so would be corrupt beyond all belief, or become corrupted over time, since naturally they are an extension of the human nature problem themselves, they exist within the same system.

>but they still have to want to participate.
Yes true. Aligning the masses to anything other than their current comfy lifestyle would be a difficult task.

>people started attacking eachother with screwdrivers after knives got banned
So, can they theoretically b& screwdrivers unless you have a whitecard or something?
And the acid attacks...
...
Yeah I'll have to get back to you on that one. Maybe b& Islamaphobia some more. I hear Islams are a huge portion of those in prison, so obviously it's systematic oppression of sandy nickers.

Bumming me out man

this

One word: London

The people in London are so far detached from the wishes of the rest of the country that we just suffer because of their choices. We have people like sadiq khan that actively work to destroy this country. He makes sure nothing is done about illegal immigration despite only being a mayor. We have to be careful what we say on Facebook or in public because there is a legitimate chance of being arrested for hurting someones feelings by telling the truth.

What we need to restore balance is for London to burn to the ground.

>We can feed ourselves
>Our culture is eroded daily
>Our women and children are raped and abused by mirgants
>We get arrested for though crimes
>The younger generations are screwed by insane house and land prices
>The job market is a shambles with graduate positions requiring 5 years experience
>Our media and propaganda and history revision broadcast daily.
>The news chooses not to report on certain stories to keep us under control

Be glad your ancestors were criminals. The fate we received is must worse.

2 WORDS: spartan state.
we need to make men strong from the very beginning agoge 2.0 if you will. let the boys be men. the women get a weaker version. just like spartan women did.

im hungry so i prepare a meal

i eat the mean and its good

im full so i take a dump

im hungry again so i prepare a meal
that's some deep wisdom by Jordan Peterson - great philosopher, no doubt

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What we need to do is avoid the good times part, life must be a struggle.

antifa's pets turn on them

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This.

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Really its nothing to be bummed about. Its a realization that essentially the entire system is outside of our control, and we must work towards considering solutions to problems within our circle of control.

The worlds a mess, our governments a mess, but we can have a positive impact on ourselves, on our family, on our relationships and our community. You manage to gain power beyond these spheres? Great, they are now in your circle of control.

The goal is to make the circle of control and circle of concern identical. Once our circle of concern is greater than our circle of control, the outcome is frustration, and then its up to us how to respond positively to that frustration.

The easiest is to limit your concern to where you have control. The most subversive effect of media is expanding everyone circle of concern way beyond our circle of control.

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This is why they didn't have go throught all this political correct bullshit back then, people waged and waged different wars, men were busy to provide service to the country and women to take care of the families.

A speck of dust can snowball into a mountain. Get involved. Every little bit helps.

Well, the real goal ought to be to gain more control, ie more power.

The real redpill/blackpill is that only those with power have the ability to make changes. But just look how easy you can gain power in 2018. David Hogg did it with intentionality and then expanded his circle of control immensely. Will he hold on to it? Will you figure out how to gain it and use it?

I guess my real point is related to my recent thoughts on democracy itself. The whole point of democracy is that everything then seems to be in all the demos circle of control and concern.

In a world where specialty is more important than ever, does it seem like a net positive to have a society of generalists? Not to me. Gaining a speciality and a knowledge base is critical to expanding your influence in this world, and there are only rare examples of people who have influence by accident, such as the parkland people.

Hence, the whole point I am making is that you are right: a speck of dust can snowball, but only by building it. No one cares if you hold a microphone if no one is listening. They listen because you have done the work to build an audience. You build an audience because you convince them you are an expert. You convince them you are an expert by actually knowing something about something, not by knowing something about everything (typically).

Anyway, I hope these posts are making sense to someone.

bump

The circle is a mental construct. Many empires have survived the point of degeneration and risen back to greatness. See Byzantium under Justinian.

Rome survived the crisis of the third century due to the overwhelming will of certain exceptional men, when it should have by all accounts devolved into utter chaos and anarchy, leading up to its inevitable dissolution. Byzantium survived the Arab siege of Constantinople due to the heroic efforts of a Bulgarian monarch, when fate pointed towards them suffering the same fate as the Sassanids. The French nation survived the degeneration of the 19th century, as did Germany that of the Weimar republic, and Russia that of the late empire. China, even, recovered fully from the century of humiliation, and is now one of the world's major powers. History is driven by will alone. The circle is a myth.

I made this argument about making my bed when I was a child.
Why make it? I will only mess it up later.
Grow up, OPpenheimer.