What would you do with a quarter of a billion dollars a year?
"Air Force statistics show that Fighting Falcons have crashed an average of 13 times a year since 1982, when the plane was first flown heavily, costing an average $260 million annually in destroyed aircraft."
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We used to call them the falling falcons, at Hahn AB we lost 3 in one year alone.
What in your eyes is the main culprit? Design problems, poor maintenance, pilot error?
We just called them lawn darts.
Sometimes the engine just quits, which was not really good for a single engine plane.
Why the fuck does the military bother using anything but the F-15 and F-22 for fighters/interceptors?
They are so easy to fly that the pilots get cocky.
What the fuck do I know, I was a munitions systems specialist.
I was a maintainer for six years on the F-16. The guy above called them "lawn darts" and that's the general view of the jet. Its like the entire aircraft was designed to be used for a year then thrown in the trash (XB3). Nothing about the jet is maintainer friendly and every jet has deviations from normal maintenance, mostly from bad previous repairs or a mountain of structural problems
I understand it had a lot wiring problems at one time, insulation chaffing.???
How do the guys in charge usually react when one of these things go down? Does anyone get any shit or is it such standard operating procedure they say "just add it to the tally?" I guess the pilot should be forgiven if it wasn't there fault but I can't imagine being the guy who was responsible at keeping the $20 mil government machine in the air and failing at that.
A jet going down in the Air Force is a huge fucking deal. The second they know one is going down, all electronic logs of maintenance are frozen, paper copies are confiscated, every toolbox used within X days of working on the jet are confiscated, every person within X days that has their fingerprints on maintenance is drug-tested... it's a shit show. They're looking for someone or some-shop to burn, anyone to blame but the pilot, and they're usually successful. It's a big deal.
I wouldn't know, I was a lowly airman. I had friends that literally went out to pick up the pieces of jet that were littered on the farmers fields.
It might seem like a lot, but some Soviet planes crashed way more frequently.
They do FOD inspections more regularly.
Because retards think that because the airplane isn't able to do 50 different things at once, it's not a viable platform. This is why the A-10 and F-22 are slowly being phased out by the shitshow that is the F-35.
They react with a massive shitstorm of blame game.
You could win a war with just these two plus A-10.
you gave those for us for free. i don't give shit if it's suck, it could fly and fire missile in case papuanigger uprising.
S-400
you rocket scientists trying out manuever 9G guided missile. which is why it cost mountain.
Imagine if that money was just distributed out to the common folk, how's that for a stimulus package
i mean why you sinking so fucking much on f-35.
it's gonna caused inflation
example of classic medieval inflation :
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Came here to post this.
On the positive side, the crash rate has been much lower since John McCain stopped flying.
A quick question, Croatia is about to buy 30 years old Israeli F-16 c/d Barak's.
How much did they fuck up? They are going to repair them all the time aren't they?
To be fair, McCain was a Navy pilot who flew A-1 Skyraiders and A-4 Skyhawks. He's also rumored to have been the cause of the fire onboard USS Forrestal that killed a bunch of people.
Boy the F35 sure was a good idea.
Because it does everything apart from air-superiority which the F-22 is used for. Also, the F-35's main strengths are it's stealth and electronic capabilities which allow it to avoid SAMs like the S-400 (as Israel have recently shown) which no aircraft could outrun.
Thanks for this. Makes perfect sense.
I remember a story where on this base in the US a gun was missing. Unlike ammo or other expendables, guns are treated like property and it was a total shit show when one went missing. Base locked down, soldiers were all threatened. Turned out they just forget to fill out paperwork and it was in use.
actually yeah that's my point, i 'm just too retard to use this board or phrasing, and endup multipost.
I'll never understand the purpose of a single engine fighter aircraft. Redundancy is the name of the game.
Couldn't the F-16 have been build with two smaller engines?
Couldn't the F-35 have been built with two smaller engines?
For what purpose were they designed with one engine?
I have to imagine that statistically speaking single engine fighters will ALWAYS have a higher rate of airframe loss incidents than twin engine fighters.
idk...
My dad was a F-16 pilot during the Gulf War. He loves the plane. Typical boomer.
The jews prolly kept thier planes in good shape.
did a fucking jet engine land in a trailer park and the trailer park people DIDNT keep it?
Fuck off, upside-down poland, some countries actually develop new shit instead of staying in the stone age.
That shit is all contaminated with hydrazine.
Another reason for F-16s having so many issues is that they were designed as lightweight fighters.
Think beefier more capable F-5 Freedom Fighters.
Cheap short range fighters that could do the job so long as the job wasn't too hard.
But then the military thought hey. Wait a minute. These things are so cheap. Let's make them fighter bombers. Let's give them gigantic drop tanks and try to extend their range. Let's try to add all these upgrades to turn them into jack of all trades fighter aircraft.
And it didn't really work. All of that extra shit really wears out the airframe.
It's like training a guy to have a Bruce Lee body then making him perform Rich Piana tasks.
(((drones)))
i didn't say it's bad thing burger. i don't live in a country where working people appreciated.
electromagnetic pulse, and it's done.
pretty nice aircraft past the crucial single engine fuckup, has some vestigial geometry towards the back but its blended wing is perfectly modern. no beating a bubble canopy either.
mig29 and su27 have more refined overall shapes though with regards to the aerodynamics
How would this not be the same issue on an electronic aircraft with a pilot inside?
nothin a little brake clean wont take care of.
about to have the sickest bbq in the whole park.
kek, enjoy triple ass cancer
they said it could take down even navy armada as well but doubt that.
it's nation's secret, just assumption floating out there.
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So then there is no special drone susceptibility to EMP that all modern aircraft wouldn't also have.
Highly doubtful. Most naval vessels (at least American ones) are hardened against EMP.
>Make jet that can't glide.
>Put one jet engine in it
WTF why my planes crash?!
The F35 is going to be a disaster.
You know what's really funny? All of those expenses don't even add up to cost of a SINGLE F-22.
War isn't about who has best machine. It's about who has the most machines that are good enough. The F-16 is literally the world standard for economical lightweight, single engine multirole fighters for this reason. It's literally the most popular combat plane in the world, being more numerous than any other and being flown by 26 countries.
Really weird thread timing. Just now responding to an F-16 crash. Watch the news.
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Give us updates if you can Vegas bro.
Bird of thunder.
1 kia.
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doing it, waiting for more replies
they havn't shown shit, an isreal f-16 and turkish f-4 have been downed in syria with s-3oo and a plain old air-defence gun , the s-400 hasn't been used yet
>knock it off with the marketing already
incase it got archieved
don't mock it leaf, it's quite a capable aircraft
Checked.
So what is everyones favorite fighter plane?
So memetic warfare itt shot down an american fighter jet through the sheer power of shitposting.
This is beyond comfy!
F-22, they're like lamborghini of jet fighter.
Bf-109
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Used to call them lawn darts in the AF.
Nice pic, checked.
#blessed
keep em coming.
They only have one engine so if that goes it crashes. The F-16 was designed as a cheaper alternative to the expensive 2 engine F-15, hence why it only has 1 engine.
Remember when a F-117 crashed in a neighborhood and the spooks came in and chased everyone out?
....No, they're very far from being a scam. They're one of the most reliable aircraft in the USAF's inventory, they're constantly flying off code 1 and returning code 1.
A good chunk of our F-15's (~70%) aren't even MR and whenever they fly off code 1, they always return code 2 or even 3.
F-14. Jolly Rogers livery.
Unlimited budgets and ejection seats.
Can you imagine if any commercial carrier had 13 crashes per year?
HA! The Air Force in general is a scam.
Your whole state is a scam!
But a pretty elaborate one I must admit.
Yep. Lawn darts. Single engine meme plane
well here's the cropped one, so comfy.
Apparently it crashed at 10:30. Sorry guys meme magic isn't real.
>DOD: An Air Force F-16 assigned to Nellis Air Force Base, Nevada, crashed at approx 10:30 am during routine training on the Nevada Test and Training Range. The condition of the pilot is unknown at this time. Emergency responders are on the scene.
That's what happens when you have
>1 engine instead of 2
Soviet cold war doctrine...
>would be a miracle if the unit doesn't get decimated in the first 3 weeks
>no need for heavy logistics
>no need for durable components, we would build new ones anyway
explain the difference between semi active radar and passive radar missile guidance in layman's terms
Former army here
Things like M4s and other sensitive items will have an entire Battalion out walking a DZ for like 20 hours trying to find it.
Active radar
>the missile has its own radar
>which it usually uses for terminal corrections
>also adds fire and forget capabilities
>example AMMRAM METEROR MICA
>Fox 3
Semi ative
>The missile has no radar and his guides by the jet radar
>Less accurate
>Restricts the jet s manuver as it needs to maintain lock
>example Sparrow
>Fox1
>Less popular since the 2000s
For a fucking M4 carbine?
>AMMRAM
>METEROR
>"active" when i said "passive"
oh yeah, in france too, when i did basic we spent 5 hours because one guy lost this piece
>Does anyone get any shit
no, nobody gives a shit, they make more money the more of them crash
just like the lawn dart harriers, and crashhawk blackhawks
does everything we have just fucking fall out of the skies?
>bubble canopy
>dat thrust to weight
still want to fly one though
Ehhh, there are a lot of F16s in inventory.
There's no hydrazine in that part of the engine. Only Jet A and 7808.
Yeah, and if you're the one that launched it, they confine you to quarters without even telling you that it went down. You get to answer a lot of uncomfortable questions for hours without any idea what happened.
I've had it happen twice, neither was in any way my doing.
PASSIVE RADAR
In order for a wave to come back to the antenna after touching an object it needs to have the energy to travel back and forth
Therefore a plane will be able to detect the enemies waves from twoice as far as the enemy would be able to detect him.
>as the waves hitting the plane wouldnt have the energy to come back to the enemies radar.
Therefore
A PASSIVE radar seeker will track a target using the Radar waves it emits
PASSIVE IR Seeker
>tracks the infrared waves a target emits
>all short range missiles have a passive IR seeker
McCain was also not a native born American. Panama Canal Zone.
I was a herk cc, that thing is built like a tank. Miss that thing
Read Boyd’s biography.
Basically weight savings was the name of the game. To the point that Boyd didn’t even want nose wheel steering or a built in ladder. The original design had no real radar, etc. It was a dogfighting machine. Adding a second engine increases weight which decreases performance.
The F-15, F-22, and A10 are amazing aircraft... I think only one F-15 has ever gone down and that was just in the last few years. The F-35 is just one example of how the defense budget uselessly fills the pockets of those deep into the military industrial complex, and the F-16 will probably end up looking good compared to the F-35 eventually.
I had a former boss that was on the Forrestal asked him about it... he said he was below deck when it happened and he said his first thought was "Where'd those gooks get that big of guns?"