Americans, why is the second amendment a good thing? Not trying to say it isn't, I just genuinely want to know

Why guns then
get a damn tazer or some shit

what i said to the other guy + you wouldn't be able to defend yourself against the state no matter what my man it has 200000000x more resources, manpower and funds than you.

the 2nd amendment is a good thing when half your population are colonisers and invaders encouraged by the traitorous elite within your own country.

It in theory prevents the government from becoming tyrannical and overstepping it's bounds (in a drastic way like when the British forced colonists to house soldiers) by presenting it with the possibility of armed rebellion. Also it is a geographical consideration. As America would inevitably expand as it was doing even before the revolution, the abilities to protect the citizens the same way they can be protected in controlled cities would be near impossible. Their are many places in America today which don't have a state or federal source of protection, and it was much worse during the time where the guns the military had were in the hands of the citizens. The right for the citizens to have weaponry is essential for Americans to protect themselves from dangers presented by nature and those that abuse areas in america that have less protection.

Tasers don't work sometimes, there are so many factors that can render it useless
>attacker has thick clothes
>both prongs fail to connect
>Hand-held taser vs. Knife is not wise
>They probably have a gun.

keeps the government on check

what do you mean by "right to live"

Pretty sure the US ain't the first stable government on earth...

then get paitball guns, pepper spray guns, gas guns, or at the very least only small low-caliber handguns.

Okay what if their are two or more robbers like in the infamous motorcycle thugs, in which one robber holds up a victim while the other robber, who is also armed, is the get away.

How would a tazer work effectivly then? Invent a multi-tazer?

This

In order to enslave a population you need boots on the ground who will always be outnumbered. A lot harder to do a no knock raid if the potentiallity of a double barrel shotgun in the floor boards is real, or if a sniper with a rifle is across the street

>Paintball guns, pepper spray gun. low caliber handgun

Can't tell if OP is dumb or baiting.

honestly some good points there but I still don't think this justifies it due to all the drawbacks + it is, as you said, mostly theoretical. Again I still think it would be possible to achieve the same goals with non-lethal weapons or to limit firearm use heavily.

Very theoretical, and still isn't enough to justify itself in my opinion.

Maybe it works in your country, you really must be proud, to hide your flag the way you do.

No not theoretical. Look at the wars in the middle east they're still rocking shitty aks and ieds.

Also yeah show your flag get rid of that meme one

>what do you mean by "right to live"

A society that allows me to carry a weapon respects my right to live. A society that bars me from carrying a weapon only respects a criminals right to live.

Honestly, people are sick of "debating" people like you. You will never understand, and we will not change our minds. Come and take them and die, or STFU.

same old argument
what is a Vietnam nigger
those gooks who can't see shit because their eyes are slits and can't hide for shit because they're fucking yellow btfoed the americucks
if they can do it
then bubba and joe can do a lot of fuckijg damage
also imbflying US soldiers would shoot at the people they've sworn to protect
50% would desert faggot

>Paintball guns
you have never been hit by a paintball gun have you? they sting like a bitch but anyone wearing heavy enough clothing can ignore it. Also in a robbing situation you have to put in adrenaline as a factor as the pain from a paintball could possibly be ignored.
>pepper spray guns, gas guns
What if the robber stands where the gas cant reach?
>small low-caliber handguns
Same problem as the paintball gun. plus you also have to factor in being a good shot in a situation that makes it impossible to be a good shot, and you have to factor in the possibility of the robber (who is already breaking the law) having an unregulated higher caliber handgun

You will always fail in your thinking because you re coming up with a non-violent solution to an inherently violent problem. The simple fact is that the culture of America when it comes to weapons (which views them as a means of self-defense) is incompatible with gun laws from countries (like European/Asian/Socialist/Communist) that view weapons as a tool used only by the upper class.

Not afraid to show flag guys, just wanted no comments on my origin as it isn't relevant to the dissolution - but here, whatever.

>all the drawbacks

You mean like being responsible for your own life and safety?

>It's fucking Israel

EVERY FUCKING TIME

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Well Vietnam was a little tricky. We were winning but hippies and the media made it seem as if we were winning. We lost the war on the homefront but were winning it in the front lines

Why am I not suprised at all. Go away JIDF.

How about no guns and only non-lethal weapons then? Nobody has to die then.

I don't have a clear opinion on the subject.

Like giving guns to criminals

As if we weren't*

The Jew cries out in pain as he strikes you

because the government cannot effectively create a police state where the citizens still have guns. I mean seriously what do you think would happen if the government tried to forcefully take peoples guns away in the US or like what happened in Scotland with the Nazi pug happened in America.

So how come you guys can have guns but we can't?

This

See >"I don't have a clear opinion on the subject."

It ensures that the citizenry can enforce and practice freedoms given to them at birth from God. It is also an invasion deterrent, and the final defense against tyranny.

Makes it harder for a nation to impose tyranical laws. The stronger the individual citizen the harder it is for them. This is not up for debate.

Gun laws are pretty fucking strict in israel. You pretty much can't get one if you aren't an army veteran, security guard or a land criminal.

>How about no guns and only non-lethal weapons then? Nobody has to die then.

This only works if it applies to the cops.

JIDF doing research on Jow Forums

So in other words you have no arguement and just came here to shill and jack off.

Sage

Okay so you think that because the citizens wont have guns the criminals won't either? Gee that was the idea during the drug wars except with drugs instead of guns and look what happened. We're still feeling the ramifications of it.

>Americans, why is the second amendment a good thing?
The right to defend yourself. Even if you're a frail babushka. It's a double edged sword (like the other rights also are), but such is liberty. I don't fear it, I respect and embrace it.

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No arguments made = not worth any points.

Slightly harder maybe, but if the state wants something most chances it'll get it anyway.

>get a damn tazer or some shit

because the state already has a monopoly on force. I should have the ability to be able to use the same force as well

You are a Jew, that is the argument

>but if the state wants something most chances it'll get it anyway

Not when everyone is armed

just dig into andrew jackson if you want to know what I think.

>Makes weak arguments.
>Tries to argue with literal autists.
>Fails.

Im not trying to influence gun laws in Israel, why do you feel the need to concern troll us ? Mind your own business

>"tyrannical" is a subjective term.
It's not.
It's when your forced to do something that u dont want to.

Man I'm a poor as shit college student who has time for that
btw knowbody fucking knows what JIDF is in israel.

No I want to know why guns are good for us - in fact I want to believe that they are.

>you can’t take on the largest super power and win!
What is Vietnam, Afghanistan, and basically any other guerilla warfare. The US isn’t good at guerilla warfare, which is why we’ve struggled to accomplish much in any conflict engaged in such a manner. Guerilla warfare is slow and painstakingly inefficienct for the assaulting force. Not to mention, if places like Syria and the Ukraine can go to 3rd world status with a civil war and less people and armaments, imagine a civil war between millions of people who are more heavily armed.

It allows us to create a deterrence effect upon the government so they have to pretend to be servile and trick us, instead of going all out authoritarian.
If you think things are bad right now, well it would be a lot worse without the 2A
Even now the government has to 1)strike down 2A without inciting rebellion 2)grab our 60gorillion guns without inciting rebellion before they can go all out on us.

Note that even though USA creates mass degenerate culture, we haven't fallen to it as quickly as the disarmed countries who also have no way of reversing it or taking back their government.

>No I want to know why guns are good for us - in fact I want to believe that they are.

How else does a 90 year old woman prevent a rape from happening to her? It's pretty easy to correlate being anti gun with being pro rape.

>How about no guns and only non-lethal weapons then? Nobody has to die then.
>There's no such thing as a non-lethal weapon. All effective weapons have the potential to kill. Furthermore not all lethal items are weapons. A hammer is not weapon, a machete is not a weapon, a kitchen knife is not a weapon.

How confident in your safety would you feel if a mob of Palestinians were at your door armed with paring knives and you had only a paintball gun to defend yourself with the police and army fifteen minutes away?

I don't 0-o

So everyone will team up to fight the state?
Pretty far fetched although that is a pretty good point generally.

Why would you even ask that question?

Unless you're braindead or autistic, you would understand why America has the second amendment in place.

So for example, if you walk into a store, and the civilians and workers and standing and staring at a gunman holding a man at gunpoint, if you had concealed carry, which is a part of the second amendment, you could shoot the gunman, or make a difference to this situation.

Oh okay sure, not like a lot of gun owners are family type people. Go ahead and tell a pro 2A with a wife and child that you have to take their kid away to reeducation camps. See how fast you'll be staring down the barrel of a gun

We are literally telling you the answers and all you can come up with is that the military will completely side with the US in killing their own population and be killed because a bunch of faggots sitting thousands of miles away from the action told them to. At Westpoint they showed us a statue of 2 cannons buried in the ground to siginfy that brother will never shed the blood of another brother. The people you'll be sending to die to take the guns away are most likely going to be right wingers, good luck with that one. See this

>The US isn’t good at guerilla warfare

We've been hobbled in all those fights by anti-war sentiments, optics, etc
The world has not seen the USA unleashed because our leftists do their best to interfere with every military effort

>No I want to know why guns are good for us - in fact I want to believe that they are.
Peace of mind in your ability to be self-sufficiently secure, more than anything else. At least half the legal owners don't fire their guns regularly (it's not like you're allowed to just pop off like arabs in the desert)

Taze and pepper spray the rapist

Not much...
Yep...
Starting to get convinced there

Go fucking figure.
Kys JIDF

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>So everyone will team up to fight the state?

It's a deterrent. If the state were say, rounding people up and sending them to camps, an armed population wouldn't just team up and fight the state, they'd destroy it in very short order.

Why are you replying to your own post?
Jew.

>How about no guns and only non-lethal weapons then? Nobody has to die then.

The state will always have guns so no

>You pretty much can't get one if you aren't an army veteran

Isn't military service mandatory in Israel so this is irrelevant?

Vietnam wasn’t influenced by state side politics, is was ended early by then. Flawed military strategy was what made Vietnam a shitshow for American troops. We still operated on WW2 doctrines of how wars are fought.

Mistakes happen.
I meant to reply to Any way I'm pretty convinced, overall you made some good arguments.

But why have rifles and shit? Aren't handguns enough?

b/c besides all the, "muh super .gov weapons" bullshit
IT WORKS

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No, you don't. You are fishing. Badly.

All the reasons in world couldn't get you to shut up. So go away.

Saged.

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Only if you were a foot-solider. If you served coffee or did computer shit you don't get that.

See

>Taze and pepper spray the rapist
rapist has a gun congrats you are now dead

Oh yes because goggles, mask, and thick clothing definetly wouldn't stop both of those. Esepcially if the rapist isn't hopped up on drugs and/or adrenaline

No they aren't. I'm not going hunting with a handgun as my only firearm and in case of a revolution I'm not fighting with only a handgun. You think the nigs in detriot ooga boogaing around with their shotguns and AKs are going to be like ""Ey man dis nigga only got a glock, I wont use mah ak""

Stop referring to bill cosby, he did nothing wrong

Sage you memeflagging shill fuck.

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Were do they get shotguns and AKs?
If you want to hunt sure get a license and a bolt-action rifle with limited ammo, seems enough.

>Aren't handguns enough?

handguns are responsible for the vast majority of gun related crime and death. Rifles are responsible for very little in comparison

Then limit the amount of ammo you can buy to like 1 magazine per year - seems enough for personal protection. Only licsnesed hunters get bolt-action (not auto/semi auto) rifles with more ammo to spare.

Guns are a culture here, that's what you can't understand.

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They aquire them illegally through arms dealers.
Oh yes, shoot a bear or a big buck with a bolt action, see how fast you shit your pants when it's charging at you. We need our weapons because of people like you who base it all on "need"

Why did you change your Pirate flag to the jew flag you fucking jew.

because pirates are more likely to get thoughtful responses, because russians were using it and providing good content.

lol

Shall not be infringed !

hey, you asked

i know

The NFA needs to be repealed

Suppressed full auto for all

You are basing our rights, what we can and cannot do on the actions of criminals. Think about it, you are infringing on the rights of good people because of bad people. Think about how much of an asshole you sound like

That's not a good thing.

Then making them legal puts you in the loop. They got semi-autos? I want them too. Autos? I want these as well. They have bombs? why not.

illegal weapons will always be worse.

Then have hunters get expended courses and training before getting a semi auto + still ammo limited and you have to keep it in a safe or something and not sell it or give it away to someone that is unlicensed.

i know

>That's not a good thing.
Says you. You wouldn't know any better because you've been propagandized so heavily that you're terrified when you see one.
Respect and fear are two different things, you can only do the latter.

Seems like the government is trying to limit rights and impose a tyranical government on me so they can use force a lot easier

>Then limit the amount of ammo you can buy to like 1 magazine per year
>Miss all my shots
> tries to grab more ammo
>there is none
> thanks the government for keeping me safe while I'm being killed

getting more ammo for a criminal would be the easiest thing for them to obtain as ell

It fends off space pirate niggers

Agreed

No it doesn't since it's harder to buy guns as a felon.

If illegal weapons will always be worse why make it harder to defend yourself then?

Except hunters aren't the ones killing innocent people its mentally ill and terrorists.

You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass.

See When the criminals get nukes, you'll ask for some too? It has to stop somewhere.

What?
Explain to me what is good about gun culture.

>Explain to me what is good about gun culture.
What's good about car culture?
Cars murder way more people than guns.

Because it has to stop at some point. We can't put society in danger and cater to criminals in the name of personal protection.