Join the trades
I really wish I had. I fell for the college education meme.
What are the best trades, and their times to complete proper training to join the workforce?
Any info from Jow Forums would help.
The best ones have the most transferrable skills. Find one that, once you pay the jew at the trade school, you can use the skills from anywhere. Everyone needs plumbers. Everyone needs hvac people. Everyone needs mechanics.
Odd. In Europe it's the opposite
1 year trade school.
How does licensing work, though?
My uncle does MIG/TIG welding. Can I learn from him, without getting fucked by the jew, and then take a series of tests and exams to comply with certification?
This. Be a man you faggots. Once you git gud and do it long enough you get to supervise newbs all day.
Yeah and especially in Sydney, Australia here there's lots of construction and developments and lots of people are too retarded to change a light bulb. more than three quarters of school students go to university and college and now there is a shortage of tradies.
You can do IT services as a trade. I do it for a living and I charge $95 an hour. It took me about 6 years to build my customer base but it was worth it. You can go to school or just be self taught it takes 1-2 years. I started my own business because I was fed a line of bullshit that I needed a college degree for more money.
At my height of working as an employee was $20 an hour but i would have to work 45-50 hours as helpdesk
Currently charge $95 and work atleast 1 hour per day, the average is about 2-3 calls per day. The most I've had was 7 in one day. My only competition are idiots who shouldn't be in IT. I am usually called in to clean a mess left by cheap contractor. I started out in residental and ended up doing 90% commerical and 10% residental. Its not easy doing a business but its very rewarding after you put in the time and effort.
I am an assistant ditch digger and I make 350k Canadian. Ama. But I won't respond.
keep your shitty trade job.
A degree gives you flexibility. I can work anywhere within my field, while I supervise and tell you tradies what to do.
Just don't get a shit degree.
>fell for the trades meme
>make only 50k as a first year apprentice meanwhile university grads are making 80k starting and have a higher social status
nobody cares because canada is shit
UK is shit too though so I can't say much
I do welding.
It's solid. The pay isn't amazing (15-18$ starting. When you're really confident you can apply for 45$/hr+ positions.)
The best part is that I can travel to any country I want and find work instantly by going to an agency. There are even options to work with the same agency and travel around to their different hosting locations.
Looking at Poland and Japan this year.
gatekeeped by boomers
My social status is outstanding and I am an asshole. Maybe try improving your aesthetic and the effect you have on people when you interact with them.
A lot of welders I know are /fa/ as fuck. Tattoos and Nazi aesthetics are popular among the welders I've met who are my age.
If you aren't a dip shit the electrical trade will do you good.
Boomers are soon to be outphased, soon they'll all be in retirement and jobs will open up
Is civil engineering redpilled?
I'm a woodshop teacher and I make furniture on the side to sell. That counts, right?
I feel it
>tfw got a meme degree in Accounting
I'd love a 50k honestly. It's more than both my parents combined
>tattoos and Nazi aesthetics
ISHYGDDTIRL
Trades are good, especially if you can get in a union, but it's still best to get as much education as possible even if you want to go into a trade. I'm a cement finisher for dufferin which is a massive company, but my brother also works there and makes way more than me, gets a sweet company truck and never gets his hands dirty. He has a civil engineering degree from uoft that's why
Youre lucky to lend a good job as with bachelors in cucknada
>they'll all retire
Yeah, when they're 90.
Bunch of old, lazy fucks that never saved anything outside of 2nd/3rd vacation homes and speedboats.
Why retire when you make 150k a year in IT management and can't even turn on a computer.
More like filled with Mexicans.
I hope you mean trading securities and derivatives.
Literally can't even tell you how much I make a year, closed up 11k, 27%, on a leveraged as hell TSLA oversell on Monday.
Doing refrigeration work in Texas for 4 years, making 30/hr with high school education. Worked inside of central market, wal-Mart, Costco, Whole Foods, among many bars and other clientele. 50-60 hour weeks pay nice.
Is the stock market going to collapse?
I tried getting a "trade" job, but it was just a fucking meme job run by a stupid woman that was actually a sales job... like no I don't want to scam people into buying shit they don't need for a living, I want to actually do work
Depends what you mean by collapse.
Another depression flat out isn't going to happen.
Basically I mean another 2008 crisis or 2000 tech bubble pop
Thoughts on bitcoin? Do people in finance care about it or is it a meme?
All I can give you is one big "depends"
BTC is pretty worthless though, 90 percent sure it was developed and funded by the Japanese communist party as an attack on American banking. Proof of stake might get big, but crypto as a whole is a fad.
Absolutely, pass weld tests, even with no formal education, and you'll get jobs.
Look into unions in your state too, once you prove you're somewhat competent they'll pay you to get trained the rest of the way.
Not in Welding, all the union boomers have realized they want to retire but can't get their benefits so they're fucking BEGGING for more people to join in, and we're getting better pay than when they started, adjusted for inflation too.
The Pipefitters union up here in wisconsin was quaking in their boots when they did meetings with my class last month, because they literally don't know how they're going to do the contracts they have lined up this summer unless they get more welders.
elevator install/repair
I quit welding to go teach ESL in Moscow for better pay. Welding is an excellent trade, but I got tired of it. Maybe I'll come back to it someday, I'm glad I have that skill if SHTF, but honestly I'd rather be a farmer or conduct international trade deals or something.
Anyway, anyone can do, even women. No formal education required. Just show up with your PPE and pass the weld test. Don't trust any employer that wants to drug test you.
Just did my interview with the IBEW, will know in a week if I'll be going to school for electrical training, if that doesn't work I'm going to take classes for welding.
Fuck em. I would never join a union. All of that stuff about equality is bullshit. It only benefits the most senior members.
>Just show up with your PPE
look at this hoser
> university grads are making 80k starting and have a higher social status
This is really the norm...?
The average salary for Canadians is 50k. As a start I'd say you're doing fine, could easily be worse.
No one is going to give them to you for a weld test. You show up with your own boots, hood, gloves, jacket, glasses.
Done a pre-app for electrical...Had no luck applying for work while I was on the dole. Working as a part-time cleaner currently, hopefully when I've got 6 months of this (only a month or two away) on my resume I'll be more appealing for electrical.
How my electrical career progressed (Pittsburgh, PA) (all non union)
Shit job- $18,000/yr
>Trade school
>Maintenance electrician in commercial/light industrial $50,000/yr
>Building automation/controls technician $75,000 yr
>building automation/controls engineer $110,000 yr
I do union HVAC for $45/hr, it took me five years of working myself to the bone out of high school in non union shops, then another six years of completing an apprenticeship at the union to get to my current wage level.
Meanwhile, my brother completed an accelerated master's program in finance and at the age of 25 makes roughly the same amount I do working as a financial analyst. Plus he travels around a lot for his company, fully comped.
Don't bother with the trades if you can help it, go to college and get a worthwhile degree instead. Trades are generally horrible unless you make it into a union in a large city. I only consider my job somewhat tolerable because I'm in a union. The only way to make big bucks in the trades is if you run your own shop but that's a whole other can of worms and is not exactly easy to do.
Combined electrical + custodial knowledge/experience would probably look good if you applied to be a maintenance worker
Yeah, learn from him.
In most states you'd join a welder's union, they'd walk you through w/e tests the state requires.
Oh I agree, FUCK seniority shitunions, the pipefitters are one of those.
The Millwrights based in Minneapolis though, they're entirely Merit based.
No he is autistic and doesn't specify what they graduated in be it, associates, bachelors, masters, etc. Getting your masters degree almost guarantees you 50k a year, but you have a very likely chance of 80k+ a year at a job. PHD is guaranteed 80k-100k a year depending on what degree it is in, and can lead up to 150k-500k a year, or more if you strive hard enough. The downside is to this commitment you will lose life on raising a family, having a life other than work, have some friends, basically you will die sad and alone. Its not always about the money but even if you do commit 100 percent of your life I can almost say for sure you will meet with someone as committed as you, and this will either higher your chances by quiet a bit or lead to a smaller disadvantage you can bounce back from. The average U.S. salary is 55k a year btw.
I don't mind the union as far as training goes, once they teach me what the fuck I'm doing I'll have the option to go anywhere else
Union isn't so bad here, lots of government jobs require electricians because we have so many dams and a nuke plant
>cement finisher
I would only go back to work as a welder if I had my own business. Probably charge $100/hour.
tradecraft a side-hustle. Yeah, counts
Lel I'm a chef sitting on $87k and only work 4-5 days a week
Put in the hard yards reap the rewards
I literally just did my interview with the IBEW today too. I think I did pretty well, good luck bro.
You're a retard.
That's the Journeyman rate for Steamfitters, you could have gotten an apprenticeship right out of high school and been making your current rate ($45) by age 23.
I learned at a community college
I don't see the advantage of unions. So much of your compensation is tied up in benefits which you may never see.
Friendo they don't exactly hand out union cards to kids fresh out of high school in my area. Joining a union is a Herculean task. If you live in an area where they just hand out apprenticeships to kids fresh out of high school like that consider yourself lucky.
The bullshit thing about trades, if you don't know anyone in that scene you are fucked. Everyone hires friends of friends, family, and so forth...
If you have no experience but the qualification, good luck getting a job.
Why do you lie on an Asian internet cheese pizza website?
No.
>tfw same here
And get in debt... Got it.
making $2200 per week after taxes, can confirm OP is correct
I'm a groundman for linemen and made 80k at 20 years old last year. Some of the journeymen are making 200-250k a year with all the overtime. Just gotta be willing to travel to get your first few months / year of experience basically
Not according to my experience bucko.
t. clueless retard who got a non STEM degree
>Welder
>Social status
hahahahaha such delusion. Do you even know what those words mean? You don't become a tradie for fucking social status. You do it for job security and money
Ayy lineman bro.
That's great, im a fsr for duke but I'm considering going lineside. But shit being a fsr is so much more fun tho.
>experience
>my experience trumps yours
Come back when you've been in the construction scene for 13 years.
Already did. I want to learn a new one but I'm too old.
I want to not destroy my body by 40
Is it sad that I'm 25 and doing internships/still have more years of school ahead of me?
Seems like everyone in my age group is settling into adulthood now, many with cushy jobs and meaningful responsibilities. Meanwhile I'm still living out of peoples' bedrooms and paying tuition fees.
Union trade, good option confirmed. Even if you don't have family just network till you find people.
Even teamsters (UPS) is a solid deal if you can handle the pace. Good pay and retirement. And easy to get a foot in the door for Christmas season when they hire extra help.
Yeah that's really sad. I got into a trade out of high school then used that money to put myself through school. Now I'm a machinist *and* a mechanical engineer.
I can work anywhere and its great.
>BS in engineering
>100k starting
kek
>Welding
>Money
I Used to weld boilers and turbo machinery in power plants. I no longer suffer from making 200K a year working 84 hours a week.
I now have a Mechanical Engineering degree and sit on my ass all day then hit the gym later while all the retards are out welding
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You all are stupid. Fall for the computer science may may and go work as a software engineer in San Francisco and make $300,000 a year or more.
>300k a year
Yeah, maybe by 40. Also, 300k in SF is like 150k in a normal col
See
give me a quick rundown on getting my millwright ticket now and then getting my mech eng degree after I become financially comfy
there are only two reasons to start a trade
1) you've a got a relative who did all the hard work to carve out an obscenely lucrative niche
2) so that you can join a union, work your way up the hierarchy to become a shot-caller and be corrupt and wealthy as fuck
>work in a shitty market
>stay in that market
most welders here make big money
Can't you make significantly more with slightly more conviction by being an engineer or chemist? Trades sound like the easy way out for the above average who are too apathetic to live up to their own potential and I say that as someone who has been considering trades for a while now.
Trades are great until you fuck your body.
>3 bedroom ranch, 1,500 sq ft, bay area
>Literally 2 million dollars
>$6,000 mortgage not including taxes
>Lol guize I make $300,000/yr but live in a middle class home and drive a 1995 civic because I can't afford anything else due to CA's ridiculous car insurance market
Tech is paying me $300k a year though
This is going to sound weird, but if you can take broadcasting if its available. I took Broadcasting as a trade while in high school and it launched my career. 11 years later, I'm making 60k/year as a broadcast technician and my company is providing my OTJ material to learn more engineering fundamentals. The thing is, all the people that know about Transmitters, microwaves, RF engineering, etc are all old and retiring. It's a great field which requires knowledge of a lot of physics principles and pays well. Stations want to replace their aging engineers.
you are crazy if you think that (all) people who do trades can be engineers or chemists . to be a chemist or engineer you ened to eat math for breakfast, lunch and dinner . i m electrician and i m barely decent with math , just enough to do my job . when i went to mechanical engineer university , i wanted to kill myself with all that math , so i just said fuck it and did electrician .
Roll
They make good money because they work 70 hours a week and rack up per diem.
... can I have some money?
math and phsyics ofc
I wanted to be an engineer, the requirement is to spend thousands of dollars going to some pozzed school, with nearly a quarter of the classes you are required to take having nothing to do with the Engineering field but you have to take "humanities" courses. It's a 4 year degree. Looked into drafting and design, some problem but they condense it to 1 year and the starting pay is barely above minimum wage here.
Fuck that I'll go run wires through buildings for 50k a year.
Seriously. There's no money in fabrication shops. Weld pipe. And working overtime shouldn't be a lifelong thing. Do it when you're young, buy land, make some kids, then do something less demanding like xray inspection.
If I could do my life over I'd probably be a linesman. They make crazy money during storms.
DAMN
When'd you graduate with your degree?
I believe everyone has the same potential and if you're in your 20s and practice proper nutrition and health (avoiding poisonous chemicals, processed food, fluoridated water, deep breathing) you'll live long enough to benefit far more from the knowledge you hold than by simply being a frugal electrician. Even if you're convinced otherwise that it's not just apathy hiring a tutor or trying to change your method of thinking would probably do you all the good you need to have the confidence to see your potential as someone that is above average.
