Should population centers above 10k be dismantled and banned?

Not if they're high density and planned properly.

Uncontrolled sprawl/slums are the real problem, not well designed, functioning cities like NYC.

All cities need to be nuked. Cities have always been bastions of liberalism and socialism.

In order to destroy liberalism for good, we need to return to our hunter-gatherer roots.

2nd total votes it wrong

Population cap should be based on annual rainfall. Large cities like New York, Los Angeles, and Las Vegas can only exist because they pump water in from a hundreds miles away.

No you yokel.

City states included the farmland surrounding the city.

American cities are failures so burger hicks like to bash them when they failed to create ones that served a purpose besides being nigger prisons and infrastructure tax drains

I don't think you realize how small of a town 10k actually is. That ludicrous.

Reasonable criticism and suggestion

incorrect, anarcho primitivism is a joke and anyone who wants to go back to that is delusional. I'm reactionary but not that far back.

That didn't change my opinion.

That is too large. Huge cities make people antonymous and they tend to become degenerate. We need a better number maybe 100,000 at maximum plus about 20% expansion into the future.

explain why a town larger than 10k is beneficial

>American cities are failures
Care to explain?

Infrastructure is cheaper as there is more density.

So rural people sending over their shitty trustfund hipster hellspawn with "artistic talent" and "entrepreneurial vision" (aka they open up a coffee shop/craft beer bar and jack up the prices for other rich hipster fucks) to gentrify the cities, now you wanna dismantle them?

C'mon now.

The biggest problem with cities was rich fucks building housing projects to ship the nigs to the outskirts without any schools (academic or vocational) so they just end up breeding and killing, eachother suckling off social safety nets for votes.

Detroit
Camden
Baltimore
Birmingham
Memphis
Cleveland

Sprawl
Decentralization
Auto dependency
Shitty transit
Gangs and crime (not the good we protecting the community type like Italy and Japan either)
White Flight
Price hikes
homelessness
Rotting infrastructure and architecture

This. Transaction costs for everything are lower.

People like living around other people, and 10k is nothing. I am convinced you literally grew up in a barn if you can't see that. 10k is a quiet community.

Under-18s should be considered property of their parents so if rural parents have a fag hipster kid they can take them out back and put a bullet in the brainstem with no reprocussions.

Efficiency. Companies have all their employees near by, markets are easy to get to, less time traveling, cultural development and idea exchange, collection of resources for industry. How can you not understand the economic benefits of cities?

>(((economic benefits)))

You just said it was "dumb hicks" who didn't like cities. All of those cities were great until they were infested with niggers, who ruined them.

Here's Illinois.

How Illinois would've voted if Cook County (Chicago and surrounding areas) did not exist

Illinois
20 electoral votes

Clinton | 3,090,729 | 55.2%
Trump | 2,146,015 | 38.4%
Total Votes = 5,594,420 (100%) | (70.56% of Illinois population)

Cook County

Clinton | 1,611,946 | 73.9%
Trump | 453,287 | 20.8%

Illinois - Cook
(population is decreased by 5,238,216+ persons, electoral vote recedes to 14)

Clinton | 3,090,729 - 1,611,946 = 1,478,783 (46.6%)
Trump | 2,146,015 - 453,287 = 1,692,728 (53.4%)
Total Votes = 3,171,511 (100%)

Trump wins Illinois' 14 electoral votes.

Fuck off, Pol Pot

You have to hive a certain amount of inefficacy if you want to build a good town. If we remove corporate thinking then I think mixed economy town connected with high-speed internet can do that without the need for putting everyone and everything under one roof.

Pol Pot was a commie and nonwhite.

Dumb hicks don't like city slickers and they have made hundreds of country songs about it, all ironically recorded in a metropolitan area of 2 million in middle Tennessee. Country culture is just as degenerate and trashy as hiphop culture even though it is white people. It sure sells a lot of gas guzzling pickups to make (((Firestones))), (((Fords))), and (((Rockefellers))) rich. Country lifestyle is basically driving a pickup or Harley hundreds of miles along some rural back stretch for no good reason and claiming you love outdoors while confined in an industrially produced, fuel consuming hunk of metal made and designed in some factory or glass tower in a city.

Henry Ford and other industrialists wanted to make use of slave descendants and out of work hillbillies. This created the great migration of the early 20th century.

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would make a night at the bar significantly more affordable

They were fine until FDR busted up the political machines (and feds broke up the mafia) which kept the shitty oldhipsters/flappers/socialites/degenerates in check and tried to get immigrants/poors to suck off the feds social safety nets. then the feds cut the programs after Eisenhower and let them fall into chaos.

its pretty much just shitty projects without any chance at upward mobility and some scattered slumlords who house the shitnigs. they go full nihilist and hate whitey/lightskins.

Yes.

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So your argument is that big cities enable degeneracy. Sounds like you should support breaking them up.

100k

so what even are you then

>I'm reactionary but not that far back.

Then you are not a consistent reactionary, but a coward and a liberal squish.

Country areas produce meth labs, inbreeding, low iq, shit schools, and economic weakness prone to become Walmart's next bitch. Go to any main street of your cherished southern small towns and see how dead they are. BTW Walmart has one of the most redneck looking sprawling looking headquarters situated in bumfuck Arkansas. Corporations can be centered anywhere

>squish
hehe i like that word

So you can't be a reactionary without being primitivist?

youtu.be/NgGLFozNM2o

i agree that the "country" is typically worse than a suburb near a major city but
>meth labs, inbreeding
these are barely prevalent, at least not anymore. and i live in nyc and all sorts of drugs are rampant here, and the all of the suburbs on long island have a giant heroin problem. stop believing every stereotype the jew media pushes
the economy and iq rate isn't important in the long run, i'd rather be happy than rich and for someone who complains about capitalism you sure are obsessed with the economy

I am a white piece of shit from a long line of white collar and blue collar city and suburb dwellers. My ancestors founded NYC, Boston and SLC, and have lived in Atlanta, Chicago, Seattle, suburban LA, and I'm in DFW right now. My last ancestor to have a farm was a great grandfather. Cities can be traditional and small towns can be leftist hippie havens. Size is not the problem

I say max out at 25~30K but basically yes.

anything lower and you don't get specialist services in your hometown. what if you need dialysis or a piano tuner eh? 10k is a little short.

pic related, where I live. we're full, no humans please.

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I could live in the country but nothing is wrong with cities. Shit people will be shit whatever density level they live at.

Greeks thought 10k was ideal city size because they were low tech and there really weren't many really large cities in ancient times. 100k was considered "huge" when chariots were on streets instead of cars. High tech allows humans to gather in larger communities.

t. City slicker

I grew up in a town of 15K and we only had one high school and it was small as fuck compared to many of the other ones in the state. 10K is literally nothing

When I was in North Alabama, half the crime stories on the local news were tatted up methheads in the sticks and the other Tyrones like pic related. Biker gangs do most of their work in rural areas as well. They come to cities to deliver shit. Gang crime is in every place people live.

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t. country hicker

>I am a white piece of shit
>>>/twitter/

Explain to me why 10k is even the number here. Why not 7500? What do you define a city being too big ?

>according to the media

did you know the full names of even one of your next-door neighbors?

Dont be pedantic its just an arbitrary number.

I have traveled to all the redneck areas of northern AL and spent weeks in my teens in psych hospitals where many of the patients were druggies from country areas. I don't see how rednecks are much better than niggers. They also steal shit just like niggers. HL Mencken was 100% accurate about all the degenerates in the south.

This is literally the ideology of the Khmer Rouge
You have shitposted yourself to the level of cambodian commie warlord

With extreme prejedice

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I'm a piece of shit and let my ancestry down. I'm just making observations in general. I'm part of the problem too.

You just irradiated good farm land on which to fuck your sister.

Its not arbitrary? I want to hear the argument for 10k. Do you just provision another city once you go over 10k? Seems not cost effective

>I spent weeks in psych hospitals and never learned my neighbors names

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>I have traveled to all the redneck areas of northern AL
found the problem. maybe try visiting some of the white southern aristocratic areas like madison?

Half the world lives in large urban centers. You want to break those up and have everyone move to your quaint little town? There's too much money to be made in large cities for them to be destroyed. Also they act as a lightning rod for vice and degeneracy. Better to live in small town yourself and let the cityfolk deal with their own problems. Don't bring the city problems to the country.

Also 10K is way too small. 100K is probably ideal, with major cities plagues starting around 1M.

>You have to have a certain amount of inefficacy if you want to build a good town.

I already said that above. The question is hypothetical but makes for a good think as to a planned economy. If you built 20 small 10,000 people towns around a 100,000 people city would that be better than a large 300,000 people city. Not to to far from the main town -- maybe 20km away. Its just an idea.

My parents forced me there for being a raging middle child that broke shit but I did get my first samplings of red pills when dealing with (((shrinks))). I am pro-doomsday but not anti city. City ruins will be comfy hangouts after SHTF. Why should I learn neighbor's names? I'd rather learn interesting stuff about world history or mathematics. Names are easily forgotten.

No but you should

you first

Madison is shit. It doesn't even have street lights and is full of mcmansions. Niggers come in from NW Huntsville and Triana and ruin it.

I live in suburb attached to city with roughly 150,000 people and greater metro nearing 700,000 people. And still is boring af around and kind of envy bigger cities/metros. Call me degenerate but I kind of envy big metros like los angeles or dallas, feel like they have more things to do.

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100K is the upper limit for everyone to know each other and to have no serious crime and degeneracy.
Kikes have been pushing for urbanization and hive like living since forever.
Close to self sufficient traditional farmer that lives in a nice big farmhouse and has a good estate and buys very little from nearby towns is the enemy of kikes.

I thought you faggots were all for less government, baka

but "muh communism" is still bad, right??

Dallas area has a lot to do, but traffic is a bitch. It takes forever to get anywhere and housing market is skyrocketing with all the companies moving in. I thought the situation with blacks would be bad since I moved in after the riots, but I see a lot of really respectable middle class black people here compared to the nigs in smaller southern towns. Maybe the black vs nigger memes are true.

What state do you happen to live in?

how the fuck would you know greece doesn't have a city with more than a million people

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I've read that the ideal size for a sustainable city is no larger than 50,000.

Knowing everyone is overrated. I want to see someone entirely different every time I go somewhere, and just be forgotten like a fart in the wind.

well uhh, he's some maths that I think is interesting.

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New York, upstate is boring desu

Under 10k and productivity has a greater chance of being reduced. Since we are essentially talking about farm towns at this level, I'll use a farm example. I'm a farmer. I have two tractors. They can both do everything I need but they are suited to certain jobs. I have no help and do all jobs myself. One tractor breaks down. My town of 8k only has one repair shop and they won't be able to get to it for about 2 weeks. It would take me 3 days to gather parts and repair myself. Those 3 days interrupt the work that already needs to be done. More problems like this happen over the next 5 years and now I have to sell the farm because productivity has dropped. It dropped because I had to fix every problem myself or wait too long to have it fixed.

Sure, I could have had kids but somehow there were only 13 girls to 17 guys in my school. 30-45k is just right. Under that and you may as well start fucking your mom who is also your cousin. At least that way you might have had some help on your very own hypothetical farm.

Yes, large cities are the worst thing that ever happened to the world.
And their only argument on why they should exist is money.
Screw the world for money they say.
Well screw them.
Destroy all cities. Lower the worlds population.

Quaternions are interesting. Some mick discovered them in the 1800s and game engine developers started using them for shit in the 2010s

>Don't bring the city problems to the country.
this is inevitable. look what's happening in california's cities, literally everyone is moving out and taking their democratic shit with them. problems in large cities need to be addressed because they affect everyone

the only interesting thing about nyc are the clubs

why do you need more to do. living in suburban long island was more fun than living in manhattan because the people were better.

The laws of nature will dismantle them when the times comes.

Blaming cities for underlying degeneracy that existed in rural Jacksonian societies is like saying low IQ blacks are bad because they raised on a slab of asphalt called da streets. America's materialism and unchecked capitalism, along with failure to recognize racial realities, is the primary source for all of its problems.

They will also dismantle your flesh when the time comes. Humans are fighting entropy and but it seems futile