It's a good practice to be able to restate one's opponents' position in a way they would agree with...

it's a good practice to be able to restate one's opponents' position in a way they would agree with. after agreeing on the premise, a person can then proceed to show how aspects of it are untrue. so somebody please explain to me the argument of pic related.

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A man doesn't have to respect you just because it hurts your feels otherwise.

Wearing revealing clothes is a red alert that the female in question does not value her own body, and therefore needs to receive some degree of validation by drawing the attention of males.

If a female cannot respect her most basic form (physical) why would anyone think she is not a thot coalburner? Why would you respect someone that values potential attention more than her own body?

first we need to establish what exactly is the argument of this sentence. women like to dress scantily to get attention, and they want to be able to do so without being shamed (best of both worlds). But how does a person legitimately defend this? all women should be automatically respected, even if they are part of a sexualization feedback loop they're taking advantage (and being brainwashed into)?

Why would any self respecting man want used goods , some whore that has probably choked on over 100 dicks in her life; to help raise his children of all fucking things.

Sometimes you need just a bit of self awareness in your life, being this illogical isn't normal and maybe it's gods way of saying\telling you that you shouldn't have children, who knows.

Chris Rock, maybe you are not a whore, but you are wearing the uniform

There is no argument on the t-shirt, just a statement.

Amerimutt, you forget respect is earned not given. That applies to both genders.

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>all women should be automatically respected
I guess that could be said to be what she's saying. I still don't think that's really an argument though, just a statement/proposition/thesis. But I don't know a lot about logic. As an argument against what she's saying I would say that's not how society works. People respect some and disrespect others. If everybody automatically got the same respect society would probably collaps. But we all know liberals don't care about logic.

You should have asked her to hand over calculator and then typed 80085.

i don't know about logic (i mean the philosophical logical method). I definitely agree that's how society works, i just want to understand how it's possible to state something this boldly without having a rationale. It's just like the guns thing, people get society points for attacking something that is "inherently bad," whereas here, men objectifying women is "inherently bad."

by the way what the fuck is a bank with a drive through, never seen such a thing

Something like "a woman should not be prejudged as someone not worthy of respect based on her wearing revealing clothing". That's how I see the argument of the shirt.

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North American thing Swede. We have drive through everything.

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Modest is a big word. If I see anyone shitting in the street I will not respect them.. so how modest and with what?

I live in America

>If I see anyone shitting in the street I will not respect them
Hey, it's your neighbour you're talking about. Be nice now.

yeah, that has to be the argument. but what could be the rationale behind it? personally, when i see a college girl wearing those shorts that expose her ass cheeks, i immediately think of my biological function to tap dat, ass and the fact that she's bought into the "empowerment" propaganda & is totally unwilling to think about anything that forces her to acknowledge that.
also, respect is earned not given if i can see your sideboom then i think of you as a materialist vain personality

H u g e and round...

Respect is earned.

From my understanding "modest" in this context literally means clothing that adequately covers a woman's breasts, ass and legs in order to not be deemed sexually provocative by the large majority of the society she lives in. Modest has a similar idea behind it as a fit guy "hiding his power level" by not wearing tight clothing that show his muscles. Being modest is the act of not bragging, showing off your physical appearance.

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>i just want to understand how it's possible to state something this boldly without having a rationale
It's possible to state anything. That's what I'm saying, this is just a statement and anyone can make any statement they like. That's probably the best debunking of this "argument" that it isn't an argument at all. Could perhaps also be the informal fallacy in pic related, taken from the sticky on this board. Just because Bertrand declares that there is a teapot, at this very moment, in orbit around the Sun between the Earth and Mars doesn't make it true. Her sentence likewise is just a claim and simply making a claim doesn't make it valid.

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Your pic related is just how a woman who is not a Stacy reacts to seeing the purest Stacy.
It's the same way Jow Forums reacts when somebody posts photos of Chad

The problem was created in two parts. First women began to believe they were more than just breeding tools and therefore felt there was a double standard where men could show off their physical appearance and be praised while when women do it they would be scorned. However this is wrong as a man showing off his physical appearance can only gain respect because he had to work for his physique while with women they merely need to be clean to show off what her parents gave her. Second women believe that prejudice is mean and show never be done because "you don't know the person yet so how can you judge them, that's mean". They takes this idea of prejudice being mean to an extreme, to the point that they want to dress like a whore and not be treated like one.

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I might be wrong but I don't think that is called an argument, but some of you are using the word that way. I've only read some logic but I think that would be a claim/proposition/statement. An argument would have "because" in it.

czech'd, sven, and i guess you're right about that itself proving it's not a valid statement, but just a claim without evidence or basis. surely someone has tried to articulate a coherent explanation of "women don't have to be modest to be respected"

It's difficult to gaze upon greatness and not feel inadequate in comparison. This is especially true when you have been told since childhood that all the races and cultures and people of the world are equal and that the burden of success is left solely on the individual.

>surely someone has tried to articulate a coherent explanation of "women don't have to be modest to be respected"
Then there would have to be the word because after it followed by something else, then it's an argument.

Exactly. You can even see her struggling with the concept as she tries to fit that idea into her worldview.
It probably shattered her programming.
I bet she's been on Jow Forums by now too.

Beta men and virgins are terrified of a woman's sexuality

It is definitely a baseless claim, however it would be no fun at all to not have a discussion about what sort of thought process lead to such a claim. One day you may presented a true argument backing this claim and you will be more prepared after having this discussion.

I know right

Thots and roasties are terrified of the reality that their only two worthwhile qualities will deteriorate before they are 30. Being breed machines and fuck dolls.

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True. But she probably hasn't thought it through herself and doesn't know why her claim should be true, i.e. there was no thought process that lead to such a claim. But the discussion could be about what thought process lead to such a claim, although the thought process probably occurred in someone else's brain, like the producers of the tv-shows she watched or whatever.

did mommy make chicken tendies again for you?

Then that right there is the discussion worth having, who planted this ideas in the brains of women, how did they do it and for what purpose?

>my actions should have no bearing on how you should perceive me

Really makes me think

because when you give something to everyone, its value increases

Girls who dress very well and they don't resort to showing skin. Lots of girls that feel the need to show skin all the time and don't know how to dress for the weather are trying to compensate for something...usually their sub-par face lol.

Yes she does.
I don't respect immodest females. A female is only a woman when she has something to be respected for, modesty, children etc.

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Don't know but this book might have some answers:
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Interview with the author:
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A weird thing happened to me a few weeks ago. A slut from a dating app was in my home to have sex. Don't remember if it was before or after sex, I think it was before, doesn't really matter though. She was standing by my bookshelf and took out this book and said something about how it was a good book and she should get it in Spanish. Seems stupid that she said it was good when she hadn't read it. Maybe that book just caught her attention because the title was in large print or because it's in Latin so it stood out to her because it's related to Spanish, she did say something about how it meant something in Romance languages, however when I asked about it she didn't seem to understand what the title meant because it's supposed to mean lust for power but she was talking about something else. Her English was also very bad so she was hardly able to express any of whatever she was thinking. But I thought the whole thing was very weird because it is a book about sexual liberation being used for political control, and here is a woman who is in my home to fornicate and she goes straight up to the bookshelf and takes out this book. I've been thinking about it and I've even been wondering if she was some sort of demon sent out by God or something and that thing happened as a sign or something like that. I've only read a little of the book. I even started wondering if she was part of a conspiracy collaborating with others in an operation to oppress me or enslave me, like you see on the cover of the book a woman collaborating with two men in a plot to enslave a man. Made me wonder if she actually had read about this kind of thing before and as I said was part of a plot, rather than being in it for sex, fun, or food/a place to sleep.

Also, recently when I picked up that book and looked at the cover and also checked if she had left a paper inside the book with a message or something I felt like chills through my body and the atmosphere in the room shifted, I swear I could feel like an evil spirit.

Tit cow craves cock.

For wearing that shit, I kind of expected it

Uhhhh, yeah she does.

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Get over yourself, man. Some thot tried to virtue signal after she was feeling like a slut. Big fucking deal.

What should they be respected for
What virtues are to be found?

A women does not HAVE to be respected. There I fixed your t-shit for you.

lol dude woah
and i thought i was paranoid
she met a dude for sex. grabbed a book off the shelf to make small talk, one with a saucy title. now she and you are stars in a vast conspiracy involving god personally. wow. dial it back

But you're wearing a hookers uniform I'll tell you that for free!

A man can act like a total asshole. But still be a nice guy.

This.
We don't have to respect other men for that matter either. It's just that many women expect special treatment, because .....their women...and literally no other reason why. I respect you if you have earned it in my eyes, regardless of gender.

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What do you mean she was trying to virtue signal? She didn't seem to understand what the title meant, and I don't think she knew it was about sexual liberation used for political control, at least not before seeing the cover image, if even then, and yet she picked that book to take out of the bookshelf. But as I said maybe just because of the large print and because Latin and Spanish are related languages. Maybe she even thought it was a book in Spanish.

Well, maybe people in their physical form are connected to people in spiritual form. So even if she as a person, physically, was only in it for sex, maybe she as a spiritual being, which her physical being is unaware of, was or is in some type of conspiracy.

well maybe. i have no idea if that's how it works and neither do you. fun theory though

Yeah. I can add that like a week ago I was psychotic or something for like two days, also a little for a few days prior. It was during that time I picked up the book and felt like an evil spirit or something. I don't know if it was just my imagination running amok or what but I had a lot of weird thoughts. One was that in this world there is like a parallel dimension that many people are living in, where they can read each other's thoughts, and also the thoughts of those who aren't on the inside so to speak. And these people being able to read each other's thoughts are like one with each other, like their ego has died or something. I felt like I was peeking into that dimension and I thought the next time I go to work things are going to be really weird, but everything was like normal.

respect is given or not according to the giver not you, slut

You drive to an outside teller like its a mcDonalds menu,

if youre in an outside lane you can suck documents and money back and forth through a pneumatic tube. Absolute insanity but convenient enough to attract boomer goyim. Havent seen the tubes since I was a kid though

And another thing. I've been psychotic at least once before, and I guess this is where it connects to the thing with the woman, both times I've had a feeling like people around me are a sort of God's puppet show, that in fact it's just me and God.

Like in The Truman Show, the people there are all in a conspiracy against the main character, that's how I felt that day. Don't know if it was because I've watched that movie so my imagination was running wild and was blurring out what was fantasy and what was real.

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respect is earned, not granted

99.9% chance you were just unhinged.

She's right. She doesn't need to be modest for someone to respect her, but at the same time (YOU) are not obligated to respect her in any way if she's not modest

Holy fugg, I've seen these pics before of that woman and these bitter roastie comments, do you have more? Please, please, please!

Sorry if I'm going off-topic, but the OP doesn't seem to be here anymore anyway. But what you're saying and what I said makes me think about something . How much of what we think is reality is in fact programmed into us through for example movies?

I agree with the position as it is currently stated. Its hardly an argument. More a statement of facts.

Leftist are always demanding unearned recognition.

bullshit she doesn't. bitch better act right.

yeah exactly, it's your imagination till proven otherwise. anyone can come up with any number of wild thoughts. most people just don't take their wild thoughts at all seriously and quickly forget about them. it'd make a fun tv show though or a book, it's imagination. having one is normal, taking it seriously isn't

Fun fact. During a period of a week or something before the psychosis or whatever it was my neighbor rang on my door bell once, and another time was going to ring on it but I think I opened the door before she did, or maybe once she caught me as I was going into my home. Not sure about either of the times, but anyway twice during a short period just before that thing happened she wanted to get a few slices of bread from me. And one of the times she said she "heard a voice" that was telling her to ask me if I was ok. I asked if there had been people "here", meaning outside our homes, she said no. I didn't ask further but no idea what she meant by "heard a voice". Maybe she's schizophrenic or a mind reader or something or maybe it was just a way of saying she had a thought that she should ask me if I was ok. We hardly say anything to each other other than hi.

yeah i dunno, anyone thinking too hard about what women say or do is going to lose their mind. chick logic or whatever, or just awkward conversation. who cares. her idea of a joke maybe

Respect is subjective. Most rational person will overwhelmingly say that respect is earned & can't be demanded.

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