Is it possible that the world J.R.R. Tolkien so elegantly wrote for us in Lord of the Rings be historical truth? Could elements of the The Silmarillion, the Hobbit and the following Trilogy be his retellings of actual events?
Is it possible that the world J.R.R. Tolkien so elegantly wrote for us in Lord of the Rings be historical truth...
Michael Turner
Ethan Reyes
Ummm sweetie, it was actual events. Middle Earth = Middle Ages Earth. Duh
Christopher Perez
Literally an allegory for World War 2. Confirmed by Tolkein's son, who JRR wrote letters to during the war. The letters were fantasy stories that resembled the conflict. He didn't write the ending until after the war because he didn't know how it would end.
Joshua Miller
He wrote it to give Anglos a mythology because unlike the greeks, romans, and Scandinavians they didn't really have a proper one. Neptue, Zeus, Possidion, Loki, ecct...
The ring of power & Sauron = Anglo evil gods
Eli Collins
he translated old books written in swedish or finnish that only he could translate, these books lay in the vaults of oxford. yes the allegories are too real, history always repeats itself.
Isaac Cook
Althogh King Auther, Merlin & Avalon are kind of Anglo connected mythology but the dark ages killed off so many records we will never know what the fuck happened in the ancent British Isles.
Levi Lopez
He read poetic and prose Eddas and Egil's Saga, fuck off
Jason Campbell
‘…J.R.R. Tolkien who’s the only person who can read the books in the basement of Oxford. He’s got all these (very old) books from Finland and Sweden and he’s the only guy who can actually READ them, alright? And he spends hours and hours reading all this stuff (history) that’s down there…
…and he writes ‘Lord of the Rings’ after he’s done reading it, OK? He says to his friends like C.S. Lewis…he says, there’s a whole History we don’t even know about. And, he told people in his letters that ‘Lord of the Rings’ was about Europe 6500 years ago; that the Irish were the Hobbits and the elves were the Nords. He had this whole thing figured out…
…This is all based on Truth…and he would get ANGRY when people said this was only analogy and metaphor. He would say, ‘NO! It isn’t analogy and metaphor! This is what I learned from my reading…’
…There is this ‘Lord of the Rings’ like SATURN and his name is Sauron. Sauron is obviously so close to the Mesopotamian dictator Sargon who invented Time. He literally invented clocks, calendars, schedules and really delivered the world into the linear, monochromic world that we live in now…
…We don’t really know what it is Sauron is trying to accomplish, not really…He’s trying to destroy the elves who know too much and have too much power. He’s trying to trap the Earth into an energy-sucking thing and he’s creating half-breeds of CLONES, the Orcs and all those who are not really human; they’re only partially human, just like the Archons…
…And, he (Tolkien) knows all this (true History) and he’s reading all this. He’s absorbing it…and so this knowledge was in our own histories and it has been wiped out by these Archons; these forces that don’t want us to figure out what’s going on…’
Luke Rogers
see faggot
Kevin Hall
holy shit
Jonathan Murphy
Is thee any UK fag that has a btter understanding of the Ises history than a lowly convit cast off?
>Were people there for 10,000 years aparently?
>When did Anglo saxons arrive in numbers?
>When did the romans arrive & leave?
>Is it true the wesh & Irish were never properly conqured?
>Whats the deal with the dragon myth? How come only Anglos and the Chinks had dragon legends but lived on oppiset sides of the globe?
>What the deal with grail legends and shit?
>Whats deal with druids, aparently they were the secret rulership of the Isle before romes conquest, they becme the masons and still have power?
Its too hard for me to grasp all the history of that place. Jew tier secrecy and complexity.
Owen Hughes
Maybe the grail legend is a corruption of the One Ring
Nathaniel Richardson
Yeah it's completely possible.
I have one of the greater rings of power gifted for elvenkind and I don't age like the elves of legend.
Eli Myers
freemasonry originated in scotland? didnt most british men shared dna with tut? scotland, the name itself is from scota? an egyptian princess?
William Powell
>allegory
Stopped reading there.
Tolkien despised allegory and constantly refused any notion of his works being an allegory for anything.
You can constrew an allegory for something from almost anything, and any allegory you find from Tolkien is your own imagination.
Also
>tolkien writing a story thats entirely an allegory for a war he wanted absolutely nothing to do with
Anthony Kelly
Hugely intersting...
There are similar stories from India,basicaly about a huge fucking war of non-whites vs whites.
Blake Cooper
provide link please
Adam Perry
>elves were the Nords
rohirrim were the nords.
Jayden Long
He was Catholic.
Benjamin Thomas
‘…Tolkien’s encounter with the depths of Christian mysticism and his understanding of the truths of orthodox theology enabled him to unravel the philosophy of myth that inspired not only the ‘magic’ of his books but also the conversion of his friend C.S. Lewis to Christianity…
…Myths, Lewis told Tolkien, were ‘lies and therefore worthless, even though breathed through silver.’
…‘No,’ Tolkien replied. ‘They are not lies.’ Far from being lies they were the best way…sometimes the only way…of conveying truths that would otherwise remain inexpressible. We have come from God, Tolkien argued, and inevitably the myths woven by us, though they contain error, reflect a splintered fragment of the true light, the eternal truth that is with God. Myths may be misguided, but they steer however shakily toward the true harbor, whereas materialistic ‘progress’ leads only to the abyss and the power of evil.
Ian Price
So, we now live in the age of The New Shadow?
I want off this ride...the flame of the West has been diminished, and may find itself extinguished.
Only memory shall remain, and in time, memories shall be forgotten.
Asher Williams
I think the British / Anglos deliberately make their history hard to understand in order to keep it secret.
Rome and Ancient China knew of each others empires. I suspect being a small Island the secret rulers of the place (the druids who morphed into freemasonry) have massive amounts of information on Anglo-Celt history.
Its all hidden to protect what the UK intends to accomplish in the world. Remember Boudicca (Boadicea) the celtic warrior Queen who challenged Rome?
She wanted to spread her daughters to all ends of the earth to spite the Romans. So the Anglo world conquest might be a blood vendetta against Rome.
David Sanchez
Yes, Noldor master race
David Jenkins
fuck off grima wormtongue
the hope dies last, this our test of character and will
Luis Morris
I haven't used this pic to reply to a post since the first age
Sebastian Carter
How long have the finnish & Swedish been able to write? Could they really have elf-tier secret history from 6500 fucking years ago?
Obviously Europe was inhabited at that time...
Owen Scott
Feanor did nothing wrong
Easton Martin
That test already came. World War II, and we failed. The rest of the world watched as Gods fought, and then saw how the Gods began their deaths.
Ethan Bennett
And the kalevala
Angel Murphy
maybe the finnish are numenorians
Jeremiah Williams
as long as any of us are alive, the test is ongoing, only faggots fear death, its only a beginning of something new. once we start to understand the true impact of the spiritual word and keeping our minds pure, then we can start changing shit
Zachary Parker
urgh its one of those "blogs" that doesn't fact check anything
still using photoshopped giant skeletons
take jay weidner's word when he doesn't say where HE heard it from
I'm trying to get to the bottom of this
these rumors have been around for years, but jay weidner is a bullshit artist
he did think there are descendants of saruman though
youtube.com
have you even read the fucking stories?
it's not a war between whites and non whites you absolute moron, I swear aussies are the dumbest motherfuckers on this planet with shit for brains
Alexander Sanders
orc and blacks go together quite well as blacks are the only real natives of this PLANEt...
i wonder if saurons descendants are the rh- people or the reptile hybrids
Brayden Brown
Some of us will endure, that is fact. But our civilizations will fall. Through death and destruction comes renewal, but I do not believe that rejuvenation shall occur.
At least you are in Latvia, far away from most of the shit that is occurring. You and your family may have a better chance.
Joshua Torres
>to keep it secret
yeah, that's the reason lol
not that you are uncultured barbarians who never built any temples or statues and would be barbarians today if not for greco-romans teaching you how to cook food
Andrew Watson
REDPILL: The pre-hominid skeletons were actually orcs
Aaron Ward
mebe
Benjamin Rogers
>Mesopotamian dictator Sargon who invented Time.
Can you imagine how easy it would be to conqure rivals and enemy tribs if you had a concept of time and they did not?
You could use detailed planning, training scheduals, set target dates while your potential victems are milling about huts dressing animal skins.
Thomas Turner
he says SARUMAN not sauron you imbecile
and he most likely means it in an metaphoric way
saruman cared more about power and it corrupted him, and he saw that corruption growing in his fellow britishmen
Aaron Torres
Is this a Jordan Peterson pasta?
Owen Moore
Stonehenge is estimated built in 3100BC. Built for the druids of the Isle.
Obviously it would have served as a meeting place for setting plans, settling disputes, inducting new druids ect...
Jaxson Myers
you have to be 18 years old to post on this website
stop skipping school you little shit
>conqure
>tribs
>scheduals
>victems
you can't even use the english language
Juan Fisher
i believe they are falling too. history repeating itself. rejuvenation always occurs, nothing dies, energy only transforms into something else
Josiah Green
stonehenge is fucking basic, anglos are subhumans
romans should have exterminated them
scots and irish are fine though
Cameron Johnson
Druids were just politicians that played witch doctor. If you believe in pedigrees and eugenics it makes since that families in power have almost always come from a long lineage of power.
Connor Price
>Whats the deal with the dragon myth? How come only Anglos and the Chinks had dragon legends but lived on oppiset sides of the globe?
geez you are dumb as rocks
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Kayden Wright
Druids were the Celtic heirs of the ancient mysteries. They were much like our modern-day Masonic rulers, total assholes, human sacrificers, and child rapists.
Henry Williams
(((world mysteries)))
Ryder Brooks
Obviously, the druids and their order were some kind of political / religious class. (How it worked in those days) They had contact with the Scandinavians and romans.
Rome fell by the way if you don't remember, it because corrupt and decadent and easy prey for rivals.
Aiden Sanders
they had no ancient mysteries
they were just witchdoctors/shamans of the anglo tribes
Aiden Russell
>anglos are subhumans
>Irish are fine
Wut
Isaac Lee
hahahaha, did you make that picture for this thread?
or did they already have a reputation?
Evan Anderson
>only Anglos and the Chinks had dragon legends
What is Zmey
Henry Lopez
I don't know but when I watch those movies (yes I've read the books as well) I feel hope for the future.
Julian Hill
irish are celts
and the irish have always hated the british because of the scheming beady eyed anglo ways
Gabriel Gray
>>Were people there for 10,000 years aparently?
yes, old hunter gatherers. they were related to scandinavian hunter gatherers (these are the ancestors who made scandinavians and northern europeans in general so tall). britain was connected to europe by doggerland, a land bridge that disappeared due to rising sea levels about 6,500–6,200 BC (this was a long time before the aryans came).
>>When did Anglo saxons arrive in numbers?
the fifth century. they began to settle there because the britons offered them lands to support them against the raids of the picts and scots. they were mercenaries, basically.
>>When did the romans arrive & leave?
they conquered britain during the reign of claudius. they began to leave at the tail end of the fourth century.
>>Is it true the wesh & Irish were never properly conqured?
sort of. the fact that they retained their ancient celtic language whereas the britons adopted english is a testament to that.
>>Whats the deal with the dragon myth? How come only Anglos and the Chinks had dragon legends but lived on oppiset sides of the globe?
there are dragons in the bible. i think that was the source for the english.
>>What the deal with grail legends and shit?
i don't really know much about arthurian legendry. it's all quite trippy though (celts had a lot of flair when it came to storytelling).
>>Whats deal with druids, aparently they were the secret rulership of the Isle before romes conquest, they becme the masons and still have power?
>masons
sounds like a meme. druids became outcasts (or converted) after the conversion to christianity - it's hard to see how they would get into power.
Julian Reyes
Caesars writing seemed a lot more appreciative of the Anglos than the celts. Even though they had invented some cool stuff.
Owen Ward
Right so what I gather from this thread is that the Anglos / Native British are just 'dumb barbarians' who 'got lucky' and happened to conquer 1/3rd of the globe and are still it's defactoo rulesers today.
They have no hidden history and are just a dumb race of morons.
Samuel Rodriguez
the romans didn't reach ireland though, so that may be why
rome built hadrians wall to keep scots at bay
scots are the true master race of the british isles
scots are better than limp wristed poms anyday
Noah Cooper
They were really good at diplomacy on their clay to newcomers. Like when the Danes settled the anglos gave them a shit ton leniency. So when new Danes came to conquer those in the danelaw helped protect the anglos.
Oliver Evans
Typical racist fantasies: humans, better and noble humans - elfs, subhuman orcs to kill and so on. Colonial shit.
Oliver Hall
massive redpills in this thread lads
Isaiah King
if there is a hidden history where is it?
the british empire folded up after ww2
americans are a mix of anglo/celt/spaniard/danish/scanda/italian
they are far superior to english, which is why they managed to break away and establish the best political and economic structure seen so far
Cameron Hughes
Elf possibly from PIE *albho- "white.
balt=white
balts elves confirmed?
Nolan Martin
tolkien was a complete bleeding heart about race, actually. he was outspoken against apartheid, and in his appendices he takes great pains to point out that the invaders who are defeated in the story aren't inherently bad but were corrupted by sauron. same with the dunlendings, who were lied to and manipulated by saruman (and had legitimate grievances). he even has the ubermensch elf-human hybrid numenorean empire collapse and literally sink into the sea because of its imperial arrogance and decadence.
Ayden Walker
You see! The Isles itself are not big. It perfectly logical that powerfull men would know everything their is to know about the place and would shape its destiny.
The question in my mind is the following; Just hom much control dose Euroupe exersize over th Isle or do these ancients, the druids and ones that have ben there for 10,000 years control their own destiny?
I think the key word here is 'hidden'. Personally I think all the real European history is hidden from us. Rome & Ancient China had extreemly limited contact, they knew osf each others empires and wer both interested in the 'different races of man'.
Kayden King
Race is interwoven in Tolkiens stories. That much is undeniable. He was very, very aware of race, language, ect...
He might have even been red pilled and hiding his power level.
Brayden Sanders
WRONG you stupid dumbfuck
Midgard is "middle earth" it's the material realm of humans in norse worldview.
Luis Brooks
>that feel when you know of Tolkien's hatred for allegory but you think Gandalf is the best representation of the Christ-narrative in any media going so far as to elucidate the divine mystery better than anything else so far
Feels bad man
Christopher Green
Lapset lapset, älkää vaivatko pieniä päitänne tuollaisilla asioilla. Te ette voi alkaa ymmärtääkään sitä kaikkea mitä kansani on teille tehnyt.
"Kolme sormusta haltiakuninkaille alla auringon,
seitsemän kääpiöruhtinaille kivisaleissaan,
yhdeksän ihmisille, jotka vie tuoni armoton,
yksi Mustalle Ruhtinaalle valtaistuimellaan,
maassa Mordorin joka varjojen saartama on.
Yksi sormus löytää heidät, se yksi heitä hallitsee,
se yksi heidät yöhön syöksee ja pimeyteen kahlitsee
maassa Mordorin joka varjojen saartama on."
Jason Parker
Quenta Silmarillion master race
Brayden Green
For me it's just open thinking. In the 'education system' we are taught a very easy and linear model of western civilisation.
Greeks-Romans-Middle ages-renaissance, ect... But I no longer trust the western education system and strongly believe Jews and others would distort it to pursue a narrative that suits them.
I think true history is unbelievably complex and most of it hidden.
Eli Cox
as hidden as all the pre-roman buildings and statues in the british isles, hidden so well as if they never existed, despite the british empire being top dog for 100 years and not being able to find any trace of evidence
rome and ancient china traded along the silk road, and there were roman merchants who went to china, however in general both cultures knew very little about eachother, but they never fought
unlike the scheming anglos, who went there and gave them poppy pills
wtf is wrong with anglos, they don't even like french people
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Gabriel Green
this
or tolkien was talking about the hollow earth
middle earth, think about it
Brayden Barnes
If Tolkien were to ever make an allegory for anything, its the Bible.
I mean, the man wrote the Silmarillion with an a priori that God exists in all universes
David Gutierrez
>The question in my mind is the following; Just hom much control dose Euroupe exersize over th Isle or do these ancients, the druids and ones that have ben there for 10,000 years control their own destiny?
the people that have been here for ten thousand years were blended with aryans - nobody has that pure lineage anymore, or we would have intelligent, hyper-aggressive giants just walking around - which would be kind of based, but isn't the case. come to think of it, the places that hunter-gatherer blood would be strongest are probably scotland and ireland - scotland has the highest frequency of red hair in the world, and red hair is associated with the HGs. could explain the disproportionate number of scottish inventors and other geniuses.
Samuel Sullivan
Lord of the Rings and Conan: The Barbarian were both documentaries.
Ian Gomez
is that surprising?
given the time tolkien grew up in?
lotr should not be taken seriously as any pre-history of europe unless there are VERIFIED quotes from tolkien indicating so
Ive yet to see any real stuff saying that tolkien based his books off ancient books given to him by a library
tolkien himself says it is based on his experiences in ww1 and has some ww2 influence because it was happening as he wrote it
and that it was written as a mythology for britain
I'm gonna smack all of you hard if my great great grandkids are arguing with your great great grandkids on 4444chan about if harry potter was the true history of britain
Justin Ward
Tolken only died like 55 years ago dude. I mean everyone keeps their secrets, but he was an extremely famous public figure! His life is no great mystery my man, and it's quite clear he was on the more "tolerate and caring" side of race relations. Nearly everyone his age was a "race realist" as there weren't the mind melting social programs we have being applied to children today.
My 2cents.
Luis Jones
conan basically is - robert e. howard is the most Jow Forums author out there.
Nathaniel Bailey
kek
Joseph Thompson
everyone in the west was red pilled 20-40 years ago
he wasn't hiding any power level
nobody gave a damn back then
Jace Nelson
conan is more grounded in reality than lotr and actually uses real areas/names, but it is still entirely fictional
Tyler Campbell
Whether or not it was intentional, Tolkien's experiences in WWI profoundly influenced his writing, and his stories are consequently full of allegories for the conflicts in Europe.
Elijah Nguyen
He loved and got inspiration from Kalevala. Also Tove Jansson made couple map. C.S Lewis had more influence from bible
Alexander Miller
KEKED
Matthew Stewart
I just realized that I can totally picture Peterson speaking in exactly this manner. Detective pepe ftw!
Wyatt Stewart
why didnt the valar just send Feanor back to solo everything in Mordor
Ethan Thompson
hobbits were anglo/celts
elves were nords
rohirrim were germanics
gondor were meds
orcs were ottomans
Ryder Cruz
tolerating and caring is a lot easier if you don't bomb sandniggers then import the ones left
Benjamin Reed
Seeing those niggers in Laketown in the hobbit made me want to fucking Sparta kick the screen or just vomit in disgust.
I mean 'threesome nigger Troy' is just plain dumb but nigger LOTR is more than just pozz, its outright cultural conquest.
We the mother fucking Anlgos who have genocided millions are allowing niggers to conquer us culturally.
David Allen
Makes way more sense that the WWII interpretation. WWII probably just influenced Tolkien scale wise
Noah King
nords are germanics, you absolute brainlet.
Owen Cooper
it's the end of the age of elves, and the dawn of the age of man. it was because of men (isildur) that sauron wasn't destroyed, so they had to fix their fuck up and redeem themselves. that's why the elves do basically fuck all in the story.
James Collins
Nerd
Liam Roberts
Hail the creator
Logan Parker
So are Anglos.
aka: most white aussies, white americans, white new zelanders ect...
The secret European history might just be that of dispersed German tribes.
Jason Martin
well, laketown is influenced by the (((dwarves)))
Logan Taylor
the english are really a hybrid of the brithonic celts and anglo germanics. they were related to begin with. at the end of the day, we were all wild steppe niggers together once upon a time.